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Do you think that McGreevy should have resigned?

Bride626 Posted:

Do you think that McGreevy should have resigned?

More politics....

What do you think of this issue? I think the fact that he is gay, is not the scandal. The fact that he put his lover, someone completely unqualified, in a sensitive government position with a $100+ salary is. Totally corrupt. Not to mention the other scandals he has been associated with. There's an interesting op-ed piece in the Daily News (see below).

Also, I think he should resign effective immediately. It will allow the voters of NJ to elect a new governor...rather than one being chosen for them. I think his decision to delay his resignation does smack of politics as Whitman stated.

What do you think?

Here is the Daily News article...
Boo who? Let's get it straight

Don't cry for Jim McGreevey.
And spare me the sappy sentiment about a brave man outing himself, then stepping aside for the good of New Jersey.

McGreevey confessed yesterday that he has been living a lie. It hasn't stopped. The real shame is that he can't bring himself to tell the whole truth even now.

Not by a long shot.

The absence of the full story from the lying Lothario won't stop the facts from coming out, however. And from what we know already, it's not a pretty picture that's emerging.

The real news here isn't that McGreevey is gay. That has been in the wind and on the Web for a long time. Now it's official.

No, I say bet the farm that the news here is that a sitting governor put his boy toy on the state payroll, at a salary of $110,000, in a job that he wasn't qualified for. And now that governor is quitting because the sordid details are about to become public and make his position untenable.

That makes this an old-fashioned corruption story, with a modern twist.

One that refutes the conventional wisdom that male politicians can survive anything except being found in bed with a dead woman or a live man.

McGreevey, in fact, could have survived a mere admission of adulterous homosexuality, as long as his wife stands by her man. He would even be applauded and admired for his honesty in many quarters.

It's the corruption that brought him down. And it's a pattern of corruption that has been revealed in an extraordinary number of ways during the Democrat's 2-1/2 years in office.

He has presided over one of the dirtiest administrations in modern times. And that's no easy feat in New Jersey!

What exactly Golan Cipel, the man reliably said to be at the heart of the case, did for his $110,000 remains a mystery, though we may find out if Cipel, as expected, files a lawsuit today charging McGreevey with sexual harassment. One thing we do know is that Cipel was not just stashed in a no-show job.

Cipel, you see, was supposed to be helping keep New Jersey safe from terrorists.

In one of the greatest acts of chutzpah in political history, McGreevey installed Cipel as the state's liaison to the Department of Homeland Security.

Perhaps McGreevey assumed that because Cipel is Israeli, he knows a lot about fighting terrorism. In fact, the 33-year-old had worked only in public relations. Those press releases will protect us!

Even as the scam hit the fan when federal officials said they couldn't share secrets with Cipel because he didn't have security clearances, McGreevey didn't take the hint. He just called Cipel a special adviser - and kept the $110,000 gravy train running.

With federal prosecutors rolling up his aides, party officials and contributors like a bunch of cheap rugs recently, it's a wonder that McGreevey didn't quit sooner. Probers have even caught McGreevey on tape saying a prearranged code word in an alleged bribe scheme, though the governor insists it was an innocent reference.

Maybe it was, but my gut tells me that all these probes were getting too close for comfort. So he waved the white flag, like many a tainted, two-bit pol before him.

And wants us to believe it's a gay thing.

Originally published on August 13, 2004


myasmom Posted:

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From watching the news alot of people are getting over the initial shock of him being gay (some suspected it actually) and the political analysts are looking at the other issues very closely. So I think the scandal is just beginning.

RedHead Posted:

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the fact that he is gay has no bearing on his political position
BUT if he did illegal stuff while in office...that is another story.
september2004 Posted:

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i don't know enough about him and his policies to comment...

if what he is saying is true, i find it honorable. i can't stand when people start to make judgments about one's personal life. what he elects to do with his free time is none of my business. if he wants to cheat on his wife, let him - 1/2 of america does why shouldn't he? (i am not condoning it, just making a point) politicians are people too, they should only be held responsible for acts on the job just like everyone else.

if this does interfere with how he runs his office then he should step down as he did.

like i said, i don't know the details...
Sassyz75 Posted:

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I live in NJ
I liked him as a governor- he did a lot to make up the nasty defecit he inherited.
but he was shady- and so is every other politician in jersey- the most corrupt state in the union.
so i think he should have resigned, but I don't mind if he stays until 11/15
Bride626 Posted:

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Posted by september2004

i don't know enough about him and his policies to comment...

if what he is saying is true, i find it honorable. i can't stand when people start to make judgments about one's personal life. what he elects to do with his free time is none of my business. if he wants to cheat on his wife, let him - 1/2 of america does why shouldn't he? (i am not condoning it, just making a point) politicians are people too, they should only be held responsible for acts on the job just like everyone else.

if this does interfere with how he runs his office then he should step down as he did.

like i said, i don't know the details...



Of course, this is a very new story so nobody really knows the whole story. I don't think his resignation was 'honorable.' I think he couldn't take the heat when he knew his ex lover was going to spill the beans.

I don't care that he had a boyfriend. I care that he hired him for a sensitive security position when he was a 33 year old publicist....who wasn't even remotely qualified for the job. Moreover, as an Israeli, he wasn't even allowed to receive all of the intelligence.

I think he exercised such poor judgment in doing this.
Bride626 Posted:

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Posted by Sassyz75


but he was shady- and so is every other politician in jersey- the most corrupt state in the union.
so i think he should have resigned



I live in NJ now too. This is something we actually agree upon!!
september2004 Posted:

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Posted by Sassyz75

I live in NJ
I liked him as a governor- he did a lot to make up the nasty defecit he inherited.
but he was shady- and so is every other politician in jersey- the most corrupt state in the union.
so i think he should have resigned, but I don't mind if he stays until 11/15


i currently live in jersey too, but don't follow the politics

FH always laughs at all the insurance commercials - i don't laugh when we get our bills
september2004 Posted:

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Posted by Bride626
Of course, this is a very new story so nobody really knows the whole story. I don't think his resignation was 'honorable.' I think he couldn't take the heat when he knew his ex lover was going to spill the beans.

people are so nasty, i don't know if i could take the heat either...


I don't care that he had a boyfriend. I care that he hired him for a sensitive security position when he was a 33 year old publicist....who wasn't even remotely qualified for the job. Moreover, as an Israeli, he wasn't even allowed to receive all of the intelligence.

yeah, what is up with THAT? that IS questionable...then again, so many people are hired into positions they are not qualified for, heck look at our president (sorry, that was meant to be funny...)


I think he exercised such poor judgment in doing this.

perhaps, no clue, need more info...
june262004 Posted:

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I don't know to much about him but.... I don't think he should have resigned for being gay or even having an affair. See I like Clinton and he got some suckie suckie undert the table and so did kennedy and probably every other persident. Who cares what they do in their private life as long as the run the country/state ok.

Having said that I don't know any of the other facts about him runnng the state so I can't comment.
ChristineC68 Posted:

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I think he was right to resign. I don't know much about Jersey politics but from the limited news stories I have heard already the $hit is really going to hit the fan.

There's the abuse of power by putting unqualified people in high ranking high paying jobs because of personal sexual relationships.

I heard that Cipel was trying to black mail Mcgreevy which he wouldn't fall victim to which he reported to the FBI - that was surely going to come out.

The lawsuit that was filed by Cipel today.

I do not think for a second that he resigned because he was gay or because he had an affair - I think he outted himself to throw up a smoke screen for the other issues that are about to come to light. Despite the information, limited as it is at this point, the focus still seems to be his homosexuality while it appears to be much more then that. I am sure this is the tip of the ice berg.
Bride626 Posted:

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Very good point. I think his blatant abuse of power in putting an unqualified lover in an extremely important position is very disturbing. You're right...I think this is the tip of the iceberg.

I am surprised by the number of 'NO' responses to the poll question. (????) I'd be interested in hearing their point of view, especially in light of the Cipel angle.

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