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LaurenS

Interfaith Officiant Help

This message is actually from Jennifer A. but she was having computer problems.

This was in Sunday''s NY Times!! This is the Rabbi I was using for my interfaith wedding (along with a priest that he uses, which may be his butcher for all I know)!! My wedding is 4 months from this weekend and I need an officiant - ANY SUGGESTIONS???? Please post Rev. Joe''s number and all others that you may know of!!! Thanks!!!!!!

February 3, 2002

OUR TOWNS

Oh, Such a Voice! But, Rabbi, About Those Jewish Jokes . . .

By DAVID M. HALBFINGER

ORT JERVIS, N.Y. -- He blew into this river city like a Jewish Music Man.

The devoted congregants of Temple Beth El, the only synagogue for miles around, had been left in the
lurch last fall when their longtime part-time rabbi, bereaved over his mother''s death, resigned suddenly
just weeks before the High Holy Days. Who would lead the Rosh Hashana services? Who would sing
the haunting plea for forgiveness on Yom Kippur Eve?

It was Ed Saul who found the Rabbi With the Golden Voice, they say, through a talent agency for
cantors. And what a talent. 'His voice was gorgeous,' said Charlotte Gorman, who is too frail to drive
but still catches a ride to shul every Friday night. 'He got everybody to singing.'

A godsend, this Jerry H. Heller was. So they hired him year round, at $35,000, nearly double the
previous rabbi''s salary.

Port Jervis, an old railroad town on a bend in the Delaware where New York, New Jersey and
Pennsylvania meet, doesn''t see too many celebrities nowadays. And its tiny Jewish community -
retired merchants who had moved up from Brooklyn and the Bronx after the war, a few of them
Holocaust survivors, plus some recent transplants from the closer-in suburbs - had never met anyone
like Mr. Heller.

The sanctuary shook when he let forth with 'Adon Olam.' And mouths dropped when Mr. Heller, 69,
told of studying at Juilliard, singing at the Metropolitan, starring in opera productions and vaudeville
shows from Boston''s Symphony Hall to the borscht belt. He even offered to get his show-biz friends to
give a benefit concert for the temple.

But eyebrows arched when the rabbi kept slipping up. Forgetting to put on a prayer shawl when even a
bar mitzvah boy would have known to. Skipping the blessing before cutting the challah. Mangling the
Hebrew when it was spoken instead of sung. Then one night he ditched the sermon altogether and
instead read from a book of self-deprecating Jewish jokes - and on a night when a group of non-Jews
had been invited to come hear the Rabbi With the Golden Voice.

'Terribly inappropriate,' said Eva Friedman. Worshipers squirmed.

VERN LAZAROFF was appalled. A local bankruptcy lawyer - his business is booming, as the
empty storefronts attest - had seen fraud before. He had opposed hiring the rabbi, but the elders of
the synagogue, entertaining visions of overflowing pews, ignored him. When he carried on for weeks,
they told him to shut up. Last month, they wrote him a letter threatening to toss him and his family out.

Mr. Lazaroff, undeterred, hired an investigator. Rabbi Heller, it turned out, had been charged with
criminal impersonation, a misdemeanor, after illegally obtaining another man''s credit history to use in
renting a property. He completed 50 hours of community service in 1997, delivering Meals on Wheels
with a song.

Mr. Lazaroff also checked out the rabbi''s credentials with Jewish experts in New York and Israel. He
found out that the rabbi almost certainly was not a rabbi at all. Yes, he had worked as a cantor for
years, at synagogues from Long Island to Rockland County. But the ordination certificate he produced,
supposedly from a rabbinical school in Tel Aviv, was 'an obvious forgery,' Mr. Lazaroff said.

Mr. Heller said he''d been ordained in 1958. But the certificate, printed in Hebrew and English, was
dated 1998 in the Hebrew copy. It even misspelled 'Tel Aviv.' There were other glaring errors. Not to
mention it looked as if it had been printed by a late- model word processor.

Mr. Heller had also been fired from his last job, as cantor at a temple in New City, N.Y., for moral
turpitude, Mr. Lazaroff learned. He had been caught cheating on his wife with another woman in the
congregation. On Monday, the Port Jervis synagogue president asked Mr. Heller to defend himself.
Instead, he quit.

'I don''t need this kind of aggravation,' Mr. Heller said on Friday. He sat in his living room in Nanuet,
N.Y., as the Sabbath approached, the 'other woman' - now his wife, Fran - beside him. He insisted
the certificate was legitimate, but in less-than- convincing terms. 'To the best of my knowledge, this is
not fake,' he said. Then he showed a scrapbook of clippings from his singing days, covering the time he
should have been in Israel.

In any case, it''s clear Mr. Heller does not need the aggravation. He and his wife have a thriving
business, Tri-State Wedding Service. Mr. Heller -

Rabbi Heller, according to his many clients''
wedding notices - conducts, alone or with a priest or minister, weddings of Jews to non-Jews, no
questions asked. His uncommonly lax approach to intermarriage has a price: from $500 on up,
depending. 'If it''s at the Essex House,' Fran Heller said, 'it''s a lot more.'

MichelleW

Interfaith Officiant Help

Jennifer,

Not sure what you need, but you can try Reverend Bill. He is the pastor at the Historical Chapel in Woodury. Here is his website

www.revbill.net

Good Luck

annavan

Interfaith Officiant Help

I am using Cantor Forman and Deacon Billia. We have not met with the cantor yet but heard he has a wonderful voice and seems very pleasant on the phone. The cantor was recommended to us by Rabbi Swerdlow, who was already officating two weddings on our day. Let me know if you would like either of the phone #s.

Jenny

I am having the same problem

We too are/were using this person and my mouth dropped when I read the article. My FI called his wife and she said it was all a misunderstanding. She started explaining that his original papers were burned in a fire and that is why there were mistakes on the current one. My FI asked if she could fax documentation that would proof he is a Rabbi but she said her fax was out of toner and she didn't know how to change it.

My wedding in 6/30 and this is the last thing I need happening now. I still don't have my dress and I really didn't want to go through picking out clergy again! Hopefully there will be some way to resolve this.

streetwarfare

I am having the same problem

why not call joe devincenzo and his wife judy maybe your date is available. at least you'll know if your problem isn't solved by then give them a call i don't remember their office phone# but i do have his home phone 631 732-0429, look just give them a call. he's interfaith and judy is jewish she'll be able to write a real jewish ceremony for you trust me i'm one of them and my parents who are kinda religious, loved him good luck helen

stephsal

I am having the same problem

We too were using the above mentioned Rabbi..until the Times article. My fiance has asked for our money back and he agreed but we will see if the check arrives. We have an appointment to meet with Cantor Rusofsky in Plainview on Saturday. He came highly recommended along with a priest.I will keep you all posted of how that goes.......

annavan

Interfaith Officiant Help

In my rabbi research I also came across Rabbi Ehlrich and Rabbi Swerdlow, both will do interfaith weddings and are based on L.I. I have their phone #`s too.

Buttafli1277

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Does anyone know what the price range is for a Rabbi and priest that perform interfaith ceremonies?

streetwarfare

Interfaith Officiant Help

when we were looking for a team (gee that sounds strange) we were qouted 800-1000$ IT'S ALOT

Jenny

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We are/were paying $1500 for the above mentioned rabbi and a priest that he works with.

After reading that article and seeing the quote at the end where it says the rabbi's services begin at $500 it's like adding insult to injury!

JenDavid

Stephsal and Jenny

My friend Lauren posted the original message for me. I hired Jerry Heller/Father Heiner for my 6/8/02 wedding and am scrambling to find someone new. I also have not been able to get through to the Hellers. Please post the number you have for them - perhaps I have the wrong number written down at my office. I will be asking for my money back and will be more than happy to take them to small claims court if they don't return it (my fiance and I are both lawyers so we welcome the opportunity to go to court). Also, stephsal can you give me the number of the Rabbi/Priest you found and any other recommendations either of you have been given. I have called 4 different officiants this week and they are all booked on my date!! This is so frustrating!!! Thanks in advance for your help.

Buttafli1277

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Has anyone ever heard of Cantor Irene Fagenbogen and father William McBride? They do interfaith ceremonies, but I don`t know how good they are. Any recommendations on them?

stephsal

JenDavid and Co............

Well girls..........it seems that these officiants, and good ones are hard to come by. I never thought this would be the thing to give me stress....Anyway I have a few numbers and I will post them here although I no nothing about any of these.they just all came recommended...but then again so did Rabbi Heller. By the way, The number for the Hellers I have is 845 634 1961. Mi fiance got through and we are waiting for our refund although it has not arrived and we may need your legal services too as well.....:)

We are meeting with Canto Shell Rokofsky Saturday and his number is 516 937 0877..I will certainly post my opinion of him and whether or not we booked him by Saturday afternoon.....I promise!!! I also have Rabbi Burt Aaron Siegel whos name I think I got from these boards a while ago..212 570 9047......My mom was also given this name..Rabbi Bruce Goldman 212 666 9143.The 666 part is creepy no??? LOL Well I will keep you posted an the Hellers and everything else.I hope you will all do the same...keep smiling.....

JenDavid

Stephsal

Thanks for the info. I also contacted Interfaith Weddings in NJ - a conglomerate of Rabbis andd Priests who work together to perform interfaith ceremonies. They are getting back to me on whether or not they have a Rabbi available on my date - they definitely have a priest lined up already. I'll let you know how that works out - they are $900 for the two officiants and $600 if you only want one officiant. Their number is 908-232-3738. I left a message with the Hellers and Fran actually called me back but I wasn't at my desk so we are playing phone tag. If they do not return our deposits we should definitely take them to small claims court or call FOX Problem Solvers (he he). It is more difficult than I thought to find a replacement. Let's keep eachother posted. Thanks!

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