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NWR- I just read the most DISGUSTING article!

hmpena Posted:

NWR- I just read the most DISGUSTING article!

It's not gross, just disgusting how drug companies are more worried about money rather than saving lives of those who have cancer. This is a particularly touchy subject for me, but this is incredible. I would love to hear your thoughts on this. It's from today's NYT. Here is the link to the article: NYT article
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A Cancer Drug Shows Promise, at a Price That Many Can't Pay

By ALEX BERENSON
Published: February 15, 2006
Doctors are excited about the prospect of Avastin, a drug already widely used for colon cancer, as a crucial new treatment for breast and lung cancer, too. But doctors are cringing at the price the maker, Genentech, plans to charge for it: about $100,000 a year.

That price, about double the current level as a colon cancer treatment, would raise Avastin to an annual cost typically found only for medicines used to treat rare diseases that affect small numbers of patients. But Avastin, already a billion-dollar drug, has a potential patient pool of hundreds of thousands of people — which is why analysts predict its United States sales could grow nearly sevenfold to $7 billion by 2009.

Doctors, though, warn that some cancer patients are already being priced out of the Avastin market. Even some patients with insurance are thinking hard before agreeing to treatment, doctors say, because out-of-pocket co-payments for the drug could easily run $10,000 to $20,000 a year.

Until now, drug makers have typically defended high prices by noting the cost of developing new medicines. But executives at Genentech and its majority owner, Roche, are now using a separate argument — citing the inherent value of life-sustaining therapies.

If society wants the benefits, they say, it must be ready to spend more for treatments like Avastin and another of the company's cancer drugs, Herceptin, which sells for $40,000 a year.

'As we look at Avastin and Herceptin pricing, right now the health economics hold up, and therefore I don't see any reason to be touching them,' said William M. Burns, the chief executive of Roche's pharmaceutical division and a member of Genentech's board. 'The pressure on society to use strong and good products is there.'

Studies show that Avastin can prolong the lives of patients with late-stage breast and lung cancer by several months when the drug is combined with existing therapies. Genentech expects to seek federal approval later this year to sell it specifically for those diseases. But even now, doctors, who are free to prescribe the drug as they see fit, are using Avastin for some breast and lung cancer cases — and finding its cost beyond the means of some patients.

'Avastin is a superb drug, but its cost is already discouraging patients and doctors from using it,' said Dr. David Johnson, who heads the cancer unit at Vanderbilt University and is a former president of the American Society of Clinical Oncology. 'I wish it were one-tenth the cost, and if it were I would be giving it to almost everybody.'

With colon cancer, a year of Avastin treatment costs about $50,000. But the drug will be used at higher doses for lung and breast cancer, and Genentech does not plan to reduce the unit price, even though the additional cost of producing a higher dose is minimal. Roche executives described the pricing plans were described in a recent interview.

Because Genentech is a leading developer of cancer therapies, some doctors also fear that the company's pricing plans for Avastin — around $8,800 a month — may encourage other companies to charge more for their own oncology drugs. That could potentially drive up the overall cost of cancer treatment to unsustainable levels, they say.

Right now, one of the few cancer drugs with a higher monthly price than the level planned for Avastin is Erbitux. The drug, used for colon cancer, sells for $9,600 monthly, but is not as widely prescribed as Avastin and is typically used only as a last-resort treatment for a few months.

Dr. Susan Desmond-Hellmann, the president of product development of Genentech, which is based in South San Francisco, Calif., said that Genentech had set Avastin's price based on 'the value of innovation, and the value of new therapies.' Genentech, which had more than $6 billion in sales last year, has many programs to help patients afford its medicines, and last year contributed $21 million to charities that help patients with their insurance co-payments, she said.

Genentech intends to file an application later this year with the Food and Drug Administration to expand the drug's label to include treatment for breast and lung cancer. While nothing stops doctors now from prescribing Avastin for those diseases, F.D.A. approval would let the company promote and advertise it for such treatments and make insurers more likely to pay for the treatments.

For now, insurers are deciding case by case whether to cover Avastin for breast and lung cancer, and in many instances they are rejecting coverage or at least delaying decisions.

'Insurers may say, 'It's not approved for that indication, so we're not paying for it,' ' said Dr. Paul A. Bunn Jr., the director of the University of Colorado cancer center.

In those cases, patients must sign a waiver agreeing to reimburse the hospital for the price of treatment if the insurer will not agree to do so. And some patients are afraid to sign the waivers, Dr. Bunn said. 'A couple of patients have refused to sign or take treatment.'

So far, insurers are generally covering Avastin's use in colon cancer, and they say they will probably cover its F.D.A.-approved use with other cancers.

Other medicines as expensive as Avastin are typically prescribed only for rare conditions affecting small numbers of patients, and their makers justify the costs as necessary for getting a return on their up-front investments in the drugs. A few medicines, like Ceredase, a treatment for Gaucher disease (pronounced go-SHAY) from the biotechnology company Genzyme, can cost as much as $500,000 a year for some patients. Gaucher disease is a rare metabolic disorder whose symptoms include anemia.

Avastin is currently used mainly in cases of late-stage colon cancer, a disease that affects about 50,000 Americans annually. On average, those patients take the drug for 11 months and it extends their lives an average of 5 months, compared with other treatments.

Genentech and Roche are also testing Avastin for use in earlier stages of colon cancer, lung and breast and cancer, which collectively are diagnosed in almost 500,000 Americans a year. Genentech and doctors hope that if the drug is used earlier in treatment it can extend lives much longer — although that would require patients' finding the means to pay for it longer, too.

Earlier this week Roche stopped recruiting patients for one clinical trial that included Avastin, while researchers try to explain the deaths of several patients. But doctors generally view Avastin as one of the safest cancer treatments. About 200 clinical trials including Avastin are taking place worldwide.

With Avastin's expanded use, analysts expect the drug's sales to soar to $7 billion in the United States alone by 2009, compared with $1.1 billion last year. Over the same period, Genentech's overall profits are forecast to triple, to $4 billion in 2009, as sales — $6.6 billion last year — climb to $18 billion.

'They are certainly blazing new ground with the price of the drug,' said Geoffrey C. Porges, an industry analyst at Sanford C. Bernstein & Company. 'They're saying, we think this is fair value, at least on a relative basis.'

Genentech has always been aggressive in pricing its therapies, Mr. Porges said. But insurers and government agencies have eventually accepted Genentech's terms, because its treatments, which include Herceptin, its current breast cancer treatment, have been shown to prolong life.

When they were originally discovered, drugs like Avastin, which aim at the blood vessels that tumors use to grow, were expected to replace traditional chemotherapy, which directly fight tumor cells. Instead, the drugs have been found to work best when used in conjunction with chemotherapy. That has caused the overall cost of cancer treatment to soar, said Dr. Len Lichtenfeld, deputy chief medical officer of the American Cancer Society.

'The financial resources are not limitless,' he said. 'There are tremendous pressures on the cost of cancer therapies today.'

The high prices are especially discouraging for patients who have been told that the new drugs may have only marginal benefits for them.

Ellis Minrath, who has pancreatic cancer, said he had chosen not to take Tarceva, a drug from Genentech that is approved for lung cancer and has shown promise in pancreatic cancer. He did so after learning that it would cost him about $1,000 a month in co-payments, even though he is covered by Medicare.

'If anybody came out and said, 'By God, this is the stuff. You want to get well, find a way to buy it,' that would be one thing,' said Mr. Minrath, who is 87. 'But that isn't the case. The forecast of how much it's going to do is not that wonderful.'

But Dr. Desmond-Hellmann, the Genentech product development chief, said she would recommend that Mr. Minrath be treated with Tarceva. 'I don't think any patient should go without a Genentech drug for an inability to pay,' she said. 'If this is about money, that would disturb me.'

The higher cost of using Avastin in breast and lung cancer, compared with colon cancer, is a result of cancer drugs' being priced on the basis of weight. In colon cancer, Genentech tested Avastin at a dose of 5 milligrams of the drug per kilogram — or 2.2 pounds — of the patient's body weight. But in lung and breast cancer, the company tested the drug at a dose of 10 milligrams per kilogram of body weight.

Because the actual cost of producing Avastin is a fraction of what Genentech charges for it, some analysts and doctors had expected the company to lower Avastin's price per milligram for use in lung and breast cancer.

Dr. Leonard Saltz, an oncologist at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York, noted that Genentech had not tested the Avastin at the dose level for colon cancer in large-scale trials of lung and breast cancer. As a result, no one really knows whether the lower dose might turn out to be equally effective in lung and breast cancer, he said. Besides costing less, he said, a lower dose might have fewer side effects.

'There are no meaningful data to allow us to address that question,' he said.

Dr. Desmond-Hellmann said that Genentech was assuming that some cancer doctors might, in fact, use Avastin at the lower dosage to treat breast and lung cancer. That is a reason the company does not want to lower Avastin's per-milligram price, she said, because doing so would cut too deeply into revenues if doctors do not prescribe the higher doses that were used in the breast and lung cancer trials.

'We don't actually know whether physicians will actually use Avastin as was used in the clinical trials,' she said.

But Dr. Saltz and other doctors said that they would almost certainly stick to the higher Avastin dose that was tested in the clinical trials, for fear that a lower dose might not be as effective.

franksgirl323 Posted:

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Whoa.

hmpena Posted:

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This angers me so much... I almost feel like crying.

ETA- this angers me especially, 'I don't think any patient should go without a Genentech drug for an inability to pay,' she said. 'If this is about money, that would disturb me.'
Soon2BeMrs2006 Posted:

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Posted by hmpena

This angers me so much... I almost feel like crying.



Beth1210 Posted:

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this hits close to home for me also

as many of you know- I lost my Mom to cancer a little over 1 year ago

We were VERY fortunate to have 95% of her care covered our insurance- other wise my Dad would have gone broke to pay for her care

her care for 2 years- was over $1 Million dollars

I understand that many people are unable to pay for the best care- and that truely saddens me- especially when you hear about companies like this- I understand that the high cost of pills is do to 'reserach and development for new pills'- but they should make exceptions to save lives


in a side note- Montel Williams is promoting some new program that allows people who can't afford the medicine to recieve it for free- I think more programs like that should be made aviable to anyone who can not afford there treatment-
M&S Sept12006 Posted:

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Wow, unbelievable...FH lost him mom to cancer a couple of years ago, and he always talks about how there are certain instances where you can buy life with money...so sad the kind of society we live in...

LaurenluvsTJ Posted:

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I think all the pharmaceutical companies are just out to make money. They have all these comercials and stuff about how dedicated they are and how much they care, but then they charge outlandish prices for the drugs they create. I am not saying that money should not be made, but its the CEO's and other high-ups in these companies that are making the money. The researchers and technicians who are actually developing the drugs- do you think they see any of the profit? I highly doubt it.
The government should be able to put limits on how much the companies can charge for drugs. There are so many peope out there who can benefit from these life-saving drugs, but cannot afford them, and what a horrible shame that is. Pharmaceutical companies should be ashamed of themselves, and stories like this one should be made more public so that everyone can know about the atrocities that are going on.
Blu-ize Posted:

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appalling...just appalling..

BKtoLI Posted:

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This hits home for me now also because my mother was just recently diagnosed with breast and uterine cancer.

It pisses me off because my parents couldn't afford that much either. They have insurance, but insurance will only cover so much when these drug companies inflate their prices to an astronomical amount to the point where they have to say 'we're not covering this, it's too much'.

Pharmacies are guilty of inflating prices also on prescriptions, so most people get hit twice. Once by the pharmaceutical company and then again by the pharmacy where they fill their prescriptions!! Thus the reason I fill mine at Costco.
hmpena Posted:

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This really upset DH and he wanted me to thank you for taking time to read the article.

chapel06 Posted:

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This angers me. We live in one of the greatest and most advanced countries in the world, yet we dont have a universal health insurance plan and we have a government full of politicians who are bought by large drug companies.
This subject also hits close to home, as my mother will be a 10 year breast cancer survivor this year and we were so lucky that she had access to medical care. This year of planning my wedding would be the same without her by my side.
The Constant Gardner is a great expose on large drug companies and the lengths the will go to make some money.
klingklang77 Posted:

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i was just going to say something about the constant gardener. that is a really good movie. it doesnt quite relate to cancer, but it shows how these drug companies test out their drugs on people the feel are disposable (third world countries).

i cannot stand pharmaceuticals. where i work, we host dinners so that these companies can promote their drugs. they get a certain budget to wine and dine doctors to convince them to use the drug. they also have a speech, by someone explaining the drug. most of the time the doctors are there for the free dinner. it makes me sick. where i work the dinner isnt cheap and it is sick that is part of the budget. they could use that to lower the cost of the drugs. i hate working there and dealing with the reps when we do have these dinners. those reps sicken me, but thankfully i rarely work these parties, but rather in the dining room.

Beth1210 Posted:

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they get a LOT more then just free dinner-

trips, TVs etc- it's really gross what they do to promote the drugs

it goes beyond dinner, pens and note pads

but that all goes along with living in a captialist country- the foundation of country is making money-

our healthcare system is for -proft- kind of gross when you think about it

money buys you care- it shouldn't be that way-
hmpena Posted:

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Posted by Beth1210

our healthcare system is for -proft- kind of gross when you think about it

money buys you care- it shouldn't be that way-



This is so true!! Thank goodness we were able to get the best doctors for John when he got sick. However, we were fortunate. One of the patients where I used to work also had testicular cancer and the doctors BUTCHERED him and didn't give him any of the meds he needed. It upsets me so much!
Beth1210 Posted:

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having acess to the best care makes all the difference- we got lucky with my Mom that 1 of the 2 specialist in her Cancer worked out of Memeoral Solan Kettering in NYC-

but I often think about people who don't have family freinds as oncolgist who drop everything to help - and people who don't have insurance - or have good enough insurance to cover the best docotors- or can't travel to see the best doctors

I remember people came around the hostpital and would try to give my parents money to help with parking- and my Mom would flat our refuse - saying she didn't need help and to please give her share to some one who did

how sick is that they charge over $50 to park at the hospital per day

my dad spent every day and night there for 2 months once- it's an additional cost that familes should not have to think about

diluvchu Posted:

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This article really makes me angry. My grandfather is on Avastin. What these drugs companies do is disgusting and how they can look at themselves is beyond me. Why is it that our health care system in the US is so F*cked up while other countries are so ahead of us. This country is supposed to be so great.....screw that sh!t

klingklang77 Posted:

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Posted by Beth1210

they get a LOT more then just free dinner-

trips, TVs etc- it's really gross what they do to promote the drugs

it goes beyond dinner, pens and note pads



yeah i never thought about that they get more than free dinner. trips? that is sick.

yes we may live in a capatilist society, but this is too much! our healthcare system really needs to be worked out for the better. yes the care is great, but not everyone can use it or has access to it. i wonder what is better- the best healthcare system in the world, but not everyone has access to it -or- a healthcare that everyone can acess, like public healthcare.

whatever the case may be, it is still a shame that lives CAN be saved, but at a cost.
BHW Posted:

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ellebelle1 Posted:

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The monopoly that drug, doctors office's and insurance companies have over everyone in this country is disturbing.

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