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NWR: RANT... Why do car dealerships waste your time?

sarahradio5 Posted:

NWR: RANT... Why do car dealerships waste your time?

I went to a certain Honda dealership yesterday... they knew that my main objective in trading in my year old SUV was to save money on gas. I wanted to keep my payments the same. I told them this from the beginning. Couldn't have been clearer. They made me listen to their schpeal for 2 hours... test drive the Civic... the whole deal. Thought I was doing the highly economical thing in choosing the Civic, which is not a car I'm in LOVE with (that would be the Mustang!), but I'm doing this to save $$ on gas. Get to the end of the 2 hours, and they tell me the financing for SIX years on a friggin' Civic would be $429/month! Are they INSANE?!?! I have EXCELLENT credit, too, so I don't know where THAT came from. That's $100 more than I'm paying a month for my Santa Fe. Why on EARTH would they waste my time if they couldn't even come CLOSE to my current payment. Do they think I'm just some dumb blonde who will just fall for their pretty silver car (which isn't even THAT pretty) and say, 'oh... okay!'. I LOVE MY SANTA FE... want to save $$... and they know that. Don't waste my time. Not to mention the three times I called them to tell them I was interested in the Honda Civic HYBRID... not one person fessed up to the fact that no one HAS the Hybrids in stock, they don't have one to test drive, and there is a premium on them of 2-3,000 above MSRP because they're in high demand! I hate car salesmen! Waste my time!

So, today... I'm going to buy a Sonata for the SAME PRICE, and it will save me gas $$... and I LOVE my sales people at Atlantic Hyundai! They kick butt!!!
Meaghan729 Posted:

Re: NWR: RANT... Why do car dealerships waste your time?

word of advice -

NEVER haggle over monthly payment. There are too many variables (Down Payment, Price of Car, Ineterst Rate, Term)

Find out how much you want to put down, want for your trade it, and then figure out how much you are willing to pay for the price of the car and haggle them on that.

Its much easier.

good luck!
CLMon7906 Posted:

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Did you go alone? Yes Sarah, they likely thought you'd sign and drive. Why anyone would pay $400 a month for a car is crazy...especially a civic. I mean, a civic...it's tiny and supposed to be an economy car....it's not a luxury car!!!

I've watched my mom get her monthly payments down....the length of the payments didn't go up nor did her interest rate...she insisted on a certain amount and when they refused, she told them she was going to the other dealership....10 minutes later, she got the payment she wanted...but she really wanted that car. I don't blame you if you aren't even in love with the car to have just left.
greenfreak Posted:

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Sorry you had such a bad experience! I could go on and on about car salesman but I'll spare you.

I'm glad at least you found a good salesperson/dealer. If anyone ever wants a good salesman for a VW in Hicksville, Lenny Siper is da bomb. He didn't scr*w around with us when we got our Passat.

I'll be doing the same soon; trading in for a more gas-economical car. I'm interested to hear what the outcome is.
laural2979 Posted:

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I think all car dealerships will try to take advantage of you if they can. When I bought my Acura I told them that I couldn't pay any more money then I was paying for my Civic. They gave me a price of $70 more a month. I just politely asked the salesman to write down his best offer and told him that I was going to go to another dealership. All of a sudden he was able to get my payment down to the price that I wanted.

Blu-ize Posted:

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I agree..never negotiate on a monthly payment. Sorry you had that happen. Congrats on the Sonata though. I heard it's great!

laural2979 Posted:

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Posted by Blu-ize

I agree..never negotiate on a monthly payment. Sorry you had that happen. Congrats on the Sonata though. I heard it's great!



If you're buying the car outright I absolutely agree. I was negotiating a lease so it was easier to negotiate the monthly payment.
Katie&Chris2006 Posted:

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I'm sorry this happened to you. Were you by yourself? Unrelated to your story, but my mom went to look at SUVs a couple of years ago and was working with a salesman who was such an obnoxious jerk. He had the audacity to tell her that when she brought her husband back they could talk more seriously! For crying out loud, women know how to do things too you stupid jerk.

Needless to say, she bought her SUV from the dealer across the street.
Blu-ize Posted:

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I lease all the time and I never negotiate on a monthly payment. You will always do better finding out the invoice price, dealer incentives and money factor and negotiate from there. I use Edmunds.com for that info. It's always accurate. Try to negotiate a few hundred under the invoice price and then call you bank and get the going interest rate on a car loan. That will give you an idea of what your payments will be. Need to be lower? Then try to get the invoice price down more..or try to get some extras thrown in.

Some car dealerships offer 0% financing or very low financing, even lower than your bank so bring your calculator.

These car salesmen/women have a formula..they start with the monthly payment because that's what's in everyone's head. It may be the case, but I would never tell what payment I want to be at. You can do the math yourself if you know how much you can spend on the car to begin with. The lower the price of the car the lower the payment. It may be easier just to walk in a say ok, I want to spend $400/mo but that's when they know they have you.

Again sorry you had this happen and this is common with car dealerships.
SeptBride70 Posted:

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ok sarah here's the deal. i'm going to give you a crash course on how to deal with these salesmen. i should know because i used to sell mistubishi's myself... they love to give you monthly payments or monthly lease payments. it's easy because it SOUNDS like less than if they give you the entire price and then they can hide a lot of extra charges in there.

Say for example they say the car is $400 a month for say 52 months (lets cut financing and all that jazz out to make it easy to understand) and that's what they tell you-- so then the total of that car should obviously be : $20,800 b/c that's 400 X 52. however that's never the case-- they never show you the invoice when they give you the monthly breakdown because really they are going to tell you 450 a month for the same car b/c then you don't realize that the bottom line is 20,800... so then you are really paying 23,400 so that's 2600 DOLLARS MORE than what the invoice says that car is worth. they do this because if they don't show you the invoice and you never see that 20,800 number then you usually don't realize that they are taking you for that extra money. not to mention different accessories they can get you on b/c they mark that up by SO much.

so what you need to do is look at the bottom line FIRST-- say i want to see the invoice of the car and i'm not going to be signing on anything unless the price i'm getting is a 'nickel over invoice' that's car terms for $500 dollars above the invoice which is the ONLY profit the car dealership should be making. sure it's nailing the salesman to the wall but for every one smart person they screw 12 dozen so don't worry about it. and they'll tell you they CAN'T no matter what give it to you for that price b/c they need to make a profit-- that's all BS, they still make a profit even if it's only 500 bucks over invoice that they are selling it for. make sure it's the FACTORY invoice also b/c some dealerships can just type up their own... it should have the VIN number on it. also, make sure they don't show you an invoice from a loaded car w/ leather but they are really selling you a gutted carcas with hubcaps.

it's a cut throat industry, i'm so glad i got out of it. but it's easy to get taken advantage of b/c they cover up in the monthly payment how much they are really taking you for. so if you take the monthly payment they gave you and times it by the months you are paying you come out with thousands more than the car is really costing and that's how they get rich. it's so easy to do. OK, i hope this info helps you-- just remember to look at that invoice, bring a calculator of your own, and crunch numbers-- it's really not complicated, work out a payment plan (either lease or finance for how many months, 36, 42, 52, 58 or 60)... all car dealers have different and then just times the monthly payment by the months you pay and look at the invoice to see if they come close to matching up-- or take the invoice and divide it so you can tell how much you should be paying if they aren't hosing you. then add on a % rate which they should be able to give you in two minutes after running a Credit report-- and add that in, and BAM you have your payment and you are not getting taken advantage of.

also, don't let them talk you into the extra warranty, when your warranty is about to expire the factory will send you a 'extend your warranty for this amount' and whatever it is is usually dirt cheap and A WHOLE HELL OF A LOT less than what they will charge you at the time of buying the car. basically do not take any of their extras that they try to throw in in the end unless you really want the 'after market rims' or whatever lol.

OK HOPE THAT HELPS!!! good luck-- try another dealership and set them straight, tell them they tried to take advantage of you at another location and you want to see all the numbers up front.

GOOD LUCK SARAH!!!! i'm just an FM away if you have any other questions--it's best to get this info from someone who used to do this lol i used to screw people out of money left and right. i'm not proud of it lol but it was my job.



ETA: the best time of the month to buy is at the end, so you are right on the money with going in now but you also need to make sure it's not too close to the end or their 'deals' and 'spins' change from month to month and you could lose out... i would say the last week in the month is the best time b/c the salespeople have quotas they are trying to meet.
JandJ1224 Posted:

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Yeah, when I was looking at cars we went into this dealership and had this bit*h of a woman helping us. We were like we seriously are interested in buying this car, she couldn't be bothered with us!! She said I really don't make much off of these cars anyway, I don't really care! Well needless to say turned me off to the dealership, brand, and car, went with something else

sarahradio5 Posted:

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Posted by STBMrsDaniRella

ok sarah here's the deal. i'm going to give you a crash course on how to deal with these salesmen. i should know because i used to sell mistubishi's myself... they love to give you monthly payments or monthly lease payments. it's easy because it SOUNDS like less than if they give you the entire price and then they can hide a lot of extra charges in there.

Say for example they say the car is $400 a month for say 52 months (lets cut financing and all that jazz out to make it easy to understand) and that's what they tell you-- so then the total of that car should obviously be : $20,800 b/c that's 400 X 52. however that's never the case-- they never show you the invoice when they give you the monthly breakdown because really they are going to tell you 450 a month for the same car b/c then you don't realize that the bottom line is 20,800... so then you are really paying 23,400 so that's 2600 DOLLARS MORE than what the invoice says that car is worth. they do this because if they don't show you the invoice and you never see that 20,800 number then you usually don't realize that they are taking you for that extra money. not to mention different accessories they can get you on b/c they mark that up by SO much.

so what you need to do is look at the bottom line FIRST-- say i want to see the invoice of the car and i'm not going to be signing on anything unless the price i'm getting is a 'nickel over invoice' that's car terms for $500 dollars above the invoice which is the ONLY profit the car dealership should be making. sure it's nailing the salesman to the wall but for every one smart person they screw 12 dozen so don't worry about it. and they'll tell you they CAN'T no matter what give it to you for that price b/c they need to make a profit-- that's all BS, they still make a profit even if it's only 500 bucks over invoice that they are selling it for. make sure it's the FACTORY invoice also b/c some dealerships can just type up their own... it should have the VIN number on it. also, make sure they don't show you an invoice from a loaded car w/ leather but they are really selling you a gutted carcas with hubcaps.

it's a cut throat industry, i'm so glad i got out of it. but it's easy to get taken advantage of b/c they cover up in the monthly payment how much they are really taking you for. so if you take the monthly payment they gave you and times it by the months you are paying you come out with thousands more than the car is really costing and that's how they get rich. it's so easy to do. OK, i hope this info helps you-- just remember to look at that invoice, bring a calculator of your own, and crunch numbers-- it's really not complicated, work out a payment plan (either lease or finance for how many months, 36, 42, 52, 58 or 60)... all car dealers have different and then just times the monthly payment by the months you pay and look at the invoice to see if they come close to matching up-- or take the invoice and divide it so you can tell how much you should be paying if they aren't hosing you. then add on a % rate which they should be able to give you in two minutes after running a Credit report-- and add that in, and BAM you have your payment and you are not getting taken advantage of.

also, don't let them talk you into the extra warranty, when your warranty is about to expire the factory will send you a 'extend your warranty for this amount' and whatever it is is usually dirt cheap and A WHOLE HELL OF A LOT less than what they will charge you at the time of buying the car. basically do not take any of their extras that they try to throw in in the end unless you really want the 'after market rims' or whatever lol.

OK HOPE THAT HELPS!!! good luck-- try another dealership and set them straight, tell them they tried to take advantage of you at another location and you want to see all the numbers up front.

GOOD LUCK SARAH!!!! i'm just an FM away if you have any other questions--it's best to get this info from someone who used to do this lol i used to screw people out of money left and right. i'm not proud of it lol but it was my job.




Wow... I just printed this out... I'm taking it with me! Thank you!
SeptBride70 Posted:

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Posted by sarahradio5


Posted by STBMrsDaniRella

ok sarah here's the deal. i'm going to give you a crash course on how to deal with these salesmen. i should know because i used to sell mistubishi's myself... they love to give you monthly payments or monthly lease payments. it's easy because it SOUNDS like less than if they give you the entire price and then they can hide a lot of extra charges in there.

Say for example they say the car is $400 a month for say 52 months (lets cut financing and all that jazz out to make it easy to understand) and that's what they tell you-- so then the total of that car should obviously be : $20,800 b/c that's 400 X 52. however that's never the case-- they never show you the invoice when they give you the monthly breakdown because really they are going to tell you 450 a month for the same car b/c then you don't realize that the bottom line is 20,800... so then you are really paying 23,400 so that's 2600 DOLLARS MORE than what the invoice says that car is worth. they do this because if they don't show you the invoice and you never see that 20,800 number then you usually don't realize that they are taking you for that extra money. not to mention different accessories they can get you on b/c they mark that up by SO much.

so what you need to do is look at the bottom line FIRST-- say i want to see the invoice of the car and i'm not going to be signing on anything unless the price i'm getting is a 'nickel over invoice' that's car terms for $500 dollars above the invoice which is the ONLY profit the car dealership should be making. sure it's nailing the salesman to the wall but for every one smart person they screw 12 dozen so don't worry about it. and they'll tell you they CAN'T no matter what give it to you for that price b/c they need to make a profit-- that's all BS, they still make a profit even if it's only 500 bucks over invoice that they are selling it for. make sure it's the FACTORY invoice also b/c some dealerships can just type up their own... it should have the VIN number on it. also, make sure they don't show you an invoice from a loaded car w/ leather but they are really selling you a gutted carcas with hubcaps.

it's a cut throat industry, i'm so glad i got out of it. but it's easy to get taken advantage of b/c they cover up in the monthly payment how much they are really taking you for. so if you take the monthly payment they gave you and times it by the months you are paying you come out with thousands more than the car is really costing and that's how they get rich. it's so easy to do. OK, i hope this info helps you-- just remember to look at that invoice, bring a calculator of your own, and crunch numbers-- it's really not complicated, work out a payment plan (either lease or finance for how many months, 36, 42, 52, 58 or 60)... all car dealers have different and then just times the monthly payment by the months you pay and look at the invoice to see if they come close to matching up-- or take the invoice and divide it so you can tell how much you should be paying if they aren't hosing you. then add on a % rate which they should be able to give you in two minutes after running a Credit report-- and add that in, and BAM you have your payment and you are not getting taken advantage of.

also, don't let them talk you into the extra warranty, when your warranty is about to expire the factory will send you a 'extend your warranty for this amount' and whatever it is is usually dirt cheap and A WHOLE HELL OF A LOT less than what they will charge you at the time of buying the car. basically do not take any of their extras that they try to throw in in the end unless you really want the 'after market rims' or whatever lol.

OK HOPE THAT HELPS!!! good luck-- try another dealership and set them straight, tell them they tried to take advantage of you at another location and you want to see all the numbers up front.

GOOD LUCK SARAH!!!! i'm just an FM away if you have any other questions--it's best to get this info from someone who used to do this lol i used to screw people out of money left and right. i'm not proud of it lol but it was my job.




Wow... I just printed this out... I'm taking it with me! Thank you!



you got it babe

see the ETA part also
ChrissynRicky Posted:

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I just traded in my Toyota Corolla for a Honda Civic (2006) on TUESDAY and my paymets are way below $400 a month. Let me know if you need any advice, etc...FM me.

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