Post New Topic

Over in my neck of the woods, here's the latest controversy...

FeliciaDA Posted:

Over in my neck of the woods, here's the latest controversy...

Time for a discussion.. What do we think of this story?

Parents Arrested for Hosting Booze NYE Party for Teens

Do you agree that the parents should have been arrested for hosting this party?

Do you think the Westchester County DA is being more than a little harsh?

Was it better that the kids were drinking in a safe environment? Or do you think breaking the law is breaking the law - period

Ready .. Set ... Go!

********************************
Hmm dont know if the link is working. Here is article:

Mom & Pop booze bash for teens

DA drills Scarsdale dentist and wife who hosted New Year's eve drinking party for daughter and 50 pals

Prominent Westchester dentist Paul Taxin and wife face up to year in jail if convicted on the charge of unlawfully dealing with a child.

A tony Westchester County town has been rocked by the arrest of a prominent dentist and his wife for hosting a booze-soaked New Year's Eve bash for almost 50 underage high schoolers.

And while law enforcement officials expressed horror that Paul and Christine Taxin would turn their million-dollar Scarsdale home into a speakeasy for their teenage daughter and her friends, students - and even some parents - have rushed to the couple's defense and denounced their arrest.

'It's ridiculous for those parents to get in this much trouble,' said Jon Soloff, 17, an Ardsley High School senior who was at the controversial party, held among grand homes with gracious, well-kept lawns.

'It was New Year's Eve,' he said. 'The police are lucky it was in a house with parents and not in cars or in a park.'

That argument was angrily rebutted yesterday by Westchester District Attorney Jeanine Pirro, who charged the couple with first-degree unlawful dealing with a child, a misdemeanor punishable by up to a year in jail.

'This is unacceptable and illegal and a complete abrogation of parental responsibility,' Pirro raged. 'They ignored the often fatal consequences of underage drinking, which will simply not be tolerated.'

The controversy began when local police received a 911 call saying a group of beer-swilling teenagers had spilled out of the Taxins' three-story Hidden Glen Road home and were loudly celebrating along the cul-de-sac just before 11 p.m., Town of Greenburgh Police Chief John Kapica said.

The officers first spotted two 16-year-old boys downing beers outside, and the teens quickly pointed to the front door of the Taxins' boxy, modern split-level as the source of their illegal brews.

Paul Taxin, 48, a prominent New Rochelle dentist, let in the officers, who spied dozens of beer cans and hard liquor bottles in the hands of partygoers, all of whom were under 21, Kapica said.

'The couple admitted that they knew that the teenagers were drinking alcohol at their party downstairs,' Kapica said. 'It was a chaotic scene, and we're fortunate that no one had gotten hurt.'

Christine Taxin, 52, explained to police that she and her husband thought it was safer for her daughter and her friends to be drinking at home than elsewhere, authorities said.

'Underage drinking anywhere leads to assaults, rapes and traffic deaths,' said Pirro.

She said the arrest was part of a crackdown on underage drinking parties like the high-profile September 2001 bust of a Chappaqua couple who supplied a stripper for their teenage son's party.

'We've got to prioritize turning off the supply of alcohol to minors,' Pirro said.

None of the teens - the majority of whom were believed to be drinking, Pirro said - was arrested, but all were forced to stay at the Taxins' home until their parents picked them up. Investigators will interview them this week to determine who bought the booze.

Paul Taxin, who was arraigned with his wife Tuesday and is due back in court Feb. 8, was back at his dental office and declined comment yesterday.

His neighbors, however, were torn about the sudsy scandal that was the talk of the street, still littered with empty Bud Light cans yesterday.

'If they were serving liquor to them as minors, then that's 100% wrong, especially with the dangers of drinking and driving,' said Bob Guerrerio, 42, who lives two doors down.

Not everyone agreed, a point underscored by one teenage girl who leaned out the window of a sport-utility vehicle and whooped while flashing a bottle of Grey Goose vodka as it drove by the Taxins' house, which is in the Ardsley school district.

'It was under control the whole time,' said partygoer Lauren Herzog, 17, a junior at Ardsley High.

The school district's superintendent, Richard Maurer, said yesterday he would not discipline any students because the drinking did not happen on school grounds.

'Parents knew there was going to be alcohol at that party,' said Joe Jordan, 58, whose own teenage children did not attend the Taxin bash. '[Parents] shouldn't send their kids if they were worried there was going to be alcohol.'
wc0143 Posted:

Re: Over in my neck of the woods, here's the latest controversy...

OMG Felicia!!!! I was just thinking about posting about this as I was eating my lunch!!! Must be the old fart ESP.

My opinions seem to contradict themselves in my mind, so I KNOW there is no way I can express them here in any way that makes ANY SENSE.


I also grew up in NYC, NOT having to DRIVE everywhere or getting in a car with someone, that drinking in HS for me & my friends was just different and could not have the same circumstances.
Janice Posted:

Re: Over in my neck of the woods, here's the latest controversy...

def wrong, law is not too harsh, it is a law, and 50 kids is a lot. with hard liquor, how were the parents monitoring how much hard liquor was being consumed by each of the 50 kids.

FeliciaDA Posted:

Re: Over in my neck of the woods, here's the latest controversy...


Posted by wc0143

OMG Felicia!!!! I was just thinking about posting about this as I was eating my lunch!!! Must be the old fart ESP.

My opinions seem to contradict themselves in my mind, so I KNOW there is no way I can express them here in any way that makes ANY SENSE.


I also grew up in NYC, NOT having to DRIVE everywhere or getting in a car with someone, that drinking in HS for me & my friends was just different and could not have the same circumstances.



Wendy.. it would figure that we'd be thinking the same way

I agree, which is why I did not answer initially - my opinions contradict themselves entirely. I do believe arresting the parents is a bit extreme (and I have no love for the Westchester Cty DA because I think she is psycho ) , yet I do understand that the law is the law and that the party was a bit of a ruckus amongst the tony Scarsdale-ites...

However if I were a parent, knowing what I did as a teenager and the fact that I would be drinking anyhow, I think I'd much prefer knowing my kid was at a party being hosted in a private home with adults present, rather than out and about , perhaps getting into risky situations..

Kriss2c Posted:

Re: Over in my neck of the woods, here's the latest controversy...

Personally I feel the parents are idiots. This is not the first time something like this has happened elsewhere and those parents/guardians got in trouble - I don't see why they thought it would be different with them.

I understand their views for their own daughter and actually that is legal. However, once they served other students, they bypassed other parents and put those kids and themselves in danger.

I threw a NYE party for 12 adults and I had difficulty overseeing that everyone was ok - there is no way that they would have been able to look out for 50 teens.

tourist Posted:

Re: Over in my neck of the woods, here's the latest controversy...

A few thougts--50 kids is way too many. Youccan't supervicse that many.

The law is the law- true.
Westchester gets crazy about underage drinking, I get carded in restauarants ( some not even chains), they have lots of checkpoints, etc.

The extreme measures are good- mostly for drunk drving reasons.

However- 'speakeasy' is a bit harsh.

I personally think 18 should be the drinking age, so I would let my kids drink at dinner with us, if they were 18, maybe 17, but my kids. NOT their friends.

ETA-- every New Year's eve I was either at a family party or homewith my parents untill I was in college.
I did drinkat a friend's party then, whci is also Illegal, it was superised 18, 19 & 20 year olds, but it was smaller & we all slept there.

wc0143 Posted:

Re: Over in my neck of the woods, here's the latest controversy...


Posted by tourist

I personally think 18 should be the drinking age, so I would let my kids drink at dinner with us, if they were 18, maybe 17, but my kids. NOT their friends.





I agree about the drinking age ... you can vote & go to war but can't legally drink?
tourist Posted:

Re: Over in my neck of the woods, here's the latest controversy...


Posted by wc0143


Posted by tourist

I personally think 18 should be the drinking age, so I would let my kids drink at dinner with us, if they were 18, maybe 17, but my kids. NOT their friends.





I agree about the drinking age ... you can vote & go to war but can't legally drink?



You can drink wine & beer on a cruise, with parental permission. I learned that on my HM-- I thought that was interesting.
sarahthegreat Posted:

Re: Over in my neck of the woods, here's the latest controversy...

i know i sound like a hardass on this one, but i don't think the DA is being too harsh. why were there so many kids there? did they really think its safer at their house? if the kids left, whether driving or not, did they know what they could have possibly gottne into once they left the parents house? my fmil used to let my fh's brothers friends drink in the house ( all underage) and i was totally aganist it. her response was always, 'well at least i know what they are doing.' i will never allow it in my house.

kpny622 Posted:

Re: Over in my neck of the woods, here's the latest controversy...

I don't think there's anything wrong with parents supervising their kids drinking as long as (1) each guest's parents were made aware of it, and (2) nobody was allowed to drive home. The bottom line is that kids are going to drink no matter what, so as a parent, I'd rather know where they are and that they are safe. Yes, 50 kids is a lot and there is no indication that (1) or (2) above that I mentioned were true, so maybe these parents were wrong.

But I do think the fact that these parents could go to jail for a year for it is ludicrous. Sure, let the killers and rapists off on technicalities, but let's lock up these parents, and we may as well put away people who jaywalk and exceed the speed limit too! Our legal system is unbelievable. The prosecutors must be bored.
FeliciaDA Posted:

Re: Over in my neck of the woods, here's the latest controversy...

Tourist - you are so right. Westchester is anal about proofing you constantly .. I'm too old for them to care but they proof everywhere. Though it wasn't always that way. Growing up, we got away with murder ..

The biggest problem was definitely the size of the party, and the fact that there could not possibly be any control over 50 teenagers. The reason they were 'found out' was because the teenagers started leaving the house, making a ruckus in the 'hood and spewing beer cans around.

But yet I will say that I did grow up in a time where where we allowed access to alcohol at Sweet 16 birthday parties-- yes with parents present. And I guess its pretty bad to say now, but back then noone thought it was a big deal at all
tourist Posted:

Re: Over in my neck of the woods, here's the latest controversy...


Posted by kpny622

The prosecutors must be bored.



I think she gets a lot of crap, and had to pick a few issues to show she is improving the county, and this is one of them.
FeliciaDA Posted:

Re: Over in my neck of the woods, here's the latest controversy...


Posted by tourist


Posted by wc0143


Posted by tourist

I personally think 18 should be the drinking age, so I would let my kids drink at dinner with us, if they were 18, maybe 17, but my kids. NOT their friends.





I agree about the drinking age ... you can vote & go to war but can't legally drink?



You can drink wine & beer on a cruise, with parental permission. I learned that on my HM-- I thought that was interesting.



OMG I can tell you stories about the drunk off their arses teenagers on our cruise .. it was ridiculous. As long as your parents or an adult signed permission, they would freely provide kids with alcohol. And seriously, DH and I saw kids that looked like they were 14 sitting at the bar doing shots
tourist Posted:

Re: Over in my neck of the woods, here's the latest controversy...


Posted by FeliciaDA


Posted by tourist


Posted by wc0143


Posted by tourist

I personally think 18 should be the drinking age, so I would let my kids drink at dinner with us, if they were 18, maybe 17, but my kids. NOT their friends.





I agree about the drinking age ... you can vote & go to war but can't legally drink?



You can drink wine & beer on a cruise, with parental permission. I learned that on my HM-- I thought that was interesting.



OMG I can tell you stories about the drunk off their arses teenagers on our cruise .. it was ridiculous. As long as your parents or an adult signed permission, they would freely provide kids with alcohol. And seriously, DH and I saw kids that looked like they were 14 sitting at the bar doing shots



waht cruise line? They kinda have to allow it, b/c most other countries have alower or no drinking age. They aren't supposed to allow liquor, though.
I didn't see a lot of teens on our cruise to start with. It was the 20 something who were drunk at kareoke, but don't outrageously.

sorry--tangent.
Xelindrya Posted:

Re: Over in my neck of the woods, here's the latest controversy...

OOH a nice meaty subject!

My own parents very much encouraged us that if we were going to drink we did it at home! Kids these days are radically different from us. Their parents had to deal with Dr. Spock (??) with the idea that you should rationalize with your child instead of disciplining them. This is the result. Kids party and they party HARD!! Put me to shame from my good old days.

I say you can’t stop them, but you should DEFINITELY have some ground rules and watch them more closely, which means – in your own home.

Ground rules such as…..
-No one drives to the party – that way no one drives home
-No one leaves the house at all at any time – You’re spending the night!
-Keep the noise down to a level that is acceptable.
-Never more kids than the adults can monitor
-Bedroom doors kept shut
-Some control over to the AMOUNT of alcohol

If I had a son or daughter (and I have twin brothers at 13 and a sister at 14) I’d let them drink all they wanted in my house. I’d be more worried about locking the bedroom doors. I’d ALWAYS choose a drunk kid ‘in’ my house instead of a drink kid out and about.

God knows I drank underage at plenty of clubs in my time. Only got kicked out twice! heh
FeliciaDA Posted:

Re: Over in my neck of the woods, here's the latest controversy...


Posted by tourist


Posted by FeliciaDA


Posted by tourist


Posted by wc0143


Posted by tourist

I personally think 18 should be the drinking age, so I would let my kids drink at dinner with us, if they were 18, maybe 17, but my kids. NOT their friends.





I agree about the drinking age ... you can vote & go to war but can't legally drink?



You can drink wine & beer on a cruise, with parental permission. I learned that on my HM-- I thought that was interesting.



OMG I can tell you stories about the drunk off their arses teenagers on our cruise .. it was ridiculous. As long as your parents or an adult signed permission, they would freely provide kids with alcohol. And seriously, DH and I saw kids that looked like they were 14 sitting at the bar doing shots



waht cruise line? They kinda have to allow it, b/c most other countries have alower or no drinking age. They aren't supposed to allow liquor, though.
I didn't see a lot of teens on our cruise to start with. It was the 20 something who were drunk at kareoke, but don't outrageously.

sorry--tangent.



i dont *think* they technically allowed hard liquor to teens either..yet we saw it all around us. The bartenders really did not use any discretion whatsoever. As I said, it wasn't the kids that nearly looked legal , it was the ones that definitely looked closer to pre-teen age that was shocking!

We took Royal Caribbean. Our ship had a lot of teens b/c it was summertime and they were still off school. And in Jamaica, it seemed to me that they could drink anything, anytime anywhere - not sure of the laws but that was the port of call where it all broke loose.. and the crazy drunken-ness(sp?) definitely carried itself back onto the ship.
MrsERod Posted:

Re: Over in my neck of the woods, here's the latest controversy...

These parent are idiots. They weren't even supervising the kids.....they were upstairs while the party was going on.
I personally don't think 16 and 17 year olds should be drinking AT ALL...If the parents aren't comfortable with the idea of their underage child drinking with friends outside of their home, then what makes it OK for them to drink under their roof?? Its so hypocritical and sets such a bad example. I just don't get it?
Jax430 Posted:

Re: Over in my neck of the woods, here's the latest controversy...

I truly feel that these parents had good intentions by having their child drinking at home rather than out of the house, but that they are out of line for condoning underage drinking. If you want to send your kid the right message, teach them that there are other, legal, ways to celebrate without alcohol! I think parents today are too concerned with being 'cool' and being a friend to their kids, rather than setting limits and teaching right from wrong.

I do believe that the drinking age should be 18, but since it's not, it's a parents job to teach their kids to follow the law, not set an example of how to break it.

I see nothing wrong with a parent letting their teenager have a drink with dinner with the family, but trying to supervise 50 kids is insane!!
MrsERod Posted:

Re: Over in my neck of the woods, here's the latest controversy...


Posted by Jax430

I truly feel that these parents had good intentions by having their child drinking at home rather than out of the house, but that they are out of line for condoning underage drinking. If you want to send your kid the right message, teach them that there are other, legal, ways to celebrate without alcohol! I think parents today are too concerned with being 'cool' and being a friend to their kids, rather than setting limits and teaching right from wrong.




EXACTLY!!!!
june262004 Posted:

Re: Over in my neck of the woods, here's the latest controversy...

Im going to sound like such a harda$$ lamo BUT....Thats disgusting makes me want to . Having a friend who was 20 and hit and killed by a drunk driver instantly while making a left turn off of hempstead tpke. Less then 1 mile from his home. It was the morning of my Best Friends 21st Birthday! That Birthday Stunk. Now although he was hit by Adults (who are imigrants and had no drivers license went through a red light doing 100 miles and hour) Kids do stupid things also. 2 years later this kid who I went to school with hit and killed 2 people (also less then a mile from his home) and although he tested positive STILL has not been charged Probably because His uncle is big boss in nassau County (my dad worked for him). You would think that kids would learn but some don't. My friends and I NEVER EVER go out and get drunk unless one is designated. Last Night I read a story in Cosmo about a girl who was 20 and killed a lot of her friends when she got behind the wheel of her camaro and decided to drive she spun around and the side of her car hit a tree killing one of her best friends. IM sorry but this all starts at home. My mother told me not to drink but if I did to call them no questions asked. I never started drinking till I was 21. I am sorry but if they dont put these parents in their place then Im afraid kids will think nothing can happen to them THE LAW IS THE LAW!

and as far as I go on DWI I think if you KILL someone while drinking and driving you should goto jail for LIFE you KILLED them!!! The people that killed steve are scheduled for parole soon!


Just like if a cop goes into a Bar and finds and underage person drinking that bar gets HEAVY fines and maybe Jail time. And if a cashier sells Beer to a minor the cashier gets fired and the store gets heavy fines the same thing should happen in ones home.

Reply to this topic

Log in to reply or quote a post.