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Tuesday is Election Day...who are you voting for?

Original post by MrsD71208

No need to post any comments, just vote on the poll so we can see where the LIW'ers stand in this election.

They were talking about it at work today....just curious to see what the results will be.
AllyDrew1108 Posted:

Re: Tuesday is Election Day...who are you voting for?

I'm not rich and I'm pro-choice, pro-gay marraige, sick of this endless war and all that so it's only fitting I vote democrat. Go Obama!

KK Holiday Posted:

Re: Tuesday is Election Day...who are you voting for?

Proud to vote Obama!!!


who ever wins, I hope the new president will lead our country toward change and hope for the better
Butterfly123 Posted:

Re: Tuesday is Election Day...who are you voting for?

Obama/Biden '08. They can redistribute my wealth if its going to make our country stronger and better to live in.

Either McCain is Lying or He Doesnt Know What Socialism Is
One minute John McCain is calling Barack Obama a socialist. The next minute he's suggesting the federal government should buy up distressed mortgages at inflated prices to save home owners from their bad investments. Guess what John? That's a little bit of socialism right there.

None of the candidates is advocating literal socialism, a system whereby the government controls the basic means of production, least of all Obama, who is advised by Warren Buffett, one of the most successful capitalists of all time. If McCain were to suggest that, he should be disqualified from being president on the basis of mental deficiency.

On the other hand, as I pointed out in the opening paragraph, little bits of socialism can be found in policies espoused by all of the candidates. Sarah Palin's stump speech includes the line,'Now is not the time to experiment with socialism.' The truth is we've been experimenting with socialism since the republic began.

Capitalism is our way of life. It's arguably the best economic system ever invented. But it's flawed. It needs help. Unchecked capitalism is subject to unchecked greed. And that can lead to problems, such as we experienced in 1929 and the 1980s and are experiencing now. So, over the years, we've built a few checks and balances into the system. Many of these checks and balances might be thought of as socialism but they are integral to the American way of life.

Start with the very idea of taxation. All taxation is redistribution of wealth. The government takes our money, then uses it as it sees fit for the betterment of our lives. The decision was made long ago that the free market could not adequately provide everything we need: defense, police, firefighters, bridges, roads, etc., So the government takes money from individuals and spreads it around society. McCain is proposing a tax break for rich people and a tax refund as part of his health insurance plan. Palin pushed for a windfall tax on oil companies that she then redistributed to the people of Alaska. So, while they attack Obama for proposing a tax cut for the middle class, they are both for redistribution of wealth.

We learned after the Great Depression that we needed to insure people's deposits in the bank. Everyone is happy about the FDIC insurance they get for free from the government. The government agreeing to replace your cash if the bank screws up? Not exactly free market capitalism. We also discovered that we needed to provide for the basic needs of our elderly. Social Security was born. And even though it has the word 'social' right in it, very few people, other than folks on the fringe like Joe The Plumber, would like to face old age without it. Another safety net that most Americans would not like to live without is Medicare. Socialism! Wait until Rush Limbaugh realizes he can use his Medicare card to get cheaper pills than he does in the parking lot.

Anyone notice that tiny little bailout that President Bush spearheaded a few weeks ago? The one where the government committed $700 billion to buy up chunks of American companies? The one that both McCain and Obama supported? Yeah, some socialism in that one.

Our next venture into socialism will provide us with needed health care. We already spend more on health care than any nation in the world, yet 47 million people go without health insurance. In addition, insurance companies do not encourage preventative care and can choose to deny coverage even if you've paid your premiums. In 2000, The World Health Organization ranked the U.S. 37th in its list of health systems, behind Costa Rica, Morocco and Colombia, to name a few. That's a pretty low return for our money. When it comes to health care, capitalism needs a little bit of socialism.
lizzie217 Posted:

Re: Tuesday is Election Day...who are you voting for?


Posted by Songstress

Obama/Biden '08. They can redistribute my wealth if its going to make our country stronger and better to live in.

Either McCain is Lying or He Doesnt Know What Socialism Is
One minute John McCain is calling Barack Obama a socialist. The next minute he's suggesting the federal government should buy up distressed mortgages at inflated prices to save home owners from their bad investments. Guess what John? That's a little bit of socialism right there.

None of the candidates is advocating literal socialism, a system whereby the government controls the basic means of production, least of all Obama, who is advised by Warren Buffett, one of the most successful capitalists of all time. If McCain were to suggest that, he should be disqualified from being president on the basis of mental deficiency.

On the other hand, as I pointed out in the opening paragraph, little bits of socialism can be found in policies espoused by all of the candidates. Sarah Palin's stump speech includes the line,'Now is not the time to experiment with socialism.' The truth is we've been experimenting with socialism since the republic began.

Capitalism is our way of life. It's arguably the best economic system ever invented. But it's flawed. It needs help. Unchecked capitalism is subject to unchecked greed. And that can lead to problems, such as we experienced in 1929 and the 1980s and are experiencing now. So, over the years, we've built a few checks and balances into the system. Many of these checks and balances might be thought of as socialism but they are integral to the American way of life.

Start with the very idea of taxation. All taxation is redistribution of wealth. The government takes our money, then uses it as it sees fit for the betterment of our lives. The decision was made long ago that the free market could not adequately provide everything we need: defense, police, firefighters, bridges, roads, etc., So the government takes money from individuals and spreads it around society. McCain is proposing a tax break for rich people and a tax refund as part of his health insurance plan. Palin pushed for a windfall tax on oil companies that she then redistributed to the people of Alaska. So, while they attack Obama for proposing a tax cut for the middle class, they are both for redistribution of wealth.

We learned after the Great Depression that we needed to insure people's deposits in the bank. Everyone is happy about the FDIC insurance they get for free from the government. The government agreeing to replace your cash if the bank screws up? Not exactly free market capitalism. We also discovered that we needed to provide for the basic needs of our elderly. Social Security was born. And even though it has the word 'social' right in it, very few people, other than folks on the fringe like Joe The Plumber, would like to face old age without it. Another safety net that most Americans would not like to live without is Medicare. Socialism! Wait until Rush Limbaugh realizes he can use his Medicare card to get cheaper pills than he does in the parking lot.

Anyone notice that tiny little bailout that President Bush spearheaded a few weeks ago? The one where the government committed $700 billion to buy up chunks of American companies? The one that both McCain and Obama supported? Yeah, some socialism in that one.

Our next venture into socialism will provide us with needed health care. We already spend more on health care than any nation in the world, yet 47 million people go without health insurance. In addition, insurance companies do not encourage preventative care and can choose to deny coverage even if you've paid your premiums. In 2000, The World Health Organization ranked the U.S. 37th in its list of health systems, behind Costa Rica, Morocco and Colombia, to name a few. That's a pretty low return for our money. When it comes to health care, capitalism needs a little bit of socialism.



Songstress brilliantly said...the bottom line as we both have learned is that many people dont care to hear our detailed, intelligent, educated,informed response to the idiotic 'redistribution' claim that they use as the reason not to vote Obama...they'd rather hang on to talking points and fear tactics rather then delve in and discuss the issues its sad but true..cant wait to check in with you on the 4th hun
Butterfly123 Posted:

Re: Tuesday is Election Day...who are you voting for?


Posted by lizzie217


Posted by Songstress

Obama/Biden '08. They can redistribute my wealth if its going to make our country stronger and better to live in.

Either McCain is Lying or He Doesnt Know What Socialism Is
One minute John McCain is calling Barack Obama a socialist. The next minute he's suggesting the federal government should buy up distressed mortgages at inflated prices to save home owners from their bad investments. Guess what John? That's a little bit of socialism right there.

None of the candidates is advocating literal socialism, a system whereby the government controls the basic means of production, least of all Obama, who is advised by Warren Buffett, one of the most successful capitalists of all time. If McCain were to suggest that, he should be disqualified from being president on the basis of mental deficiency.

On the other hand, as I pointed out in the opening paragraph, little bits of socialism can be found in policies espoused by all of the candidates. Sarah Palin's stump speech includes the line,'Now is not the time to experiment with socialism.' The truth is we've been experimenting with socialism since the republic began.

Capitalism is our way of life. It's arguably the best economic system ever invented. But it's flawed. It needs help. Unchecked capitalism is subject to unchecked greed. And that can lead to problems, such as we experienced in 1929 and the 1980s and are experiencing now. So, over the years, we've built a few checks and balances into the system. Many of these checks and balances might be thought of as socialism but they are integral to the American way of life.

Start with the very idea of taxation. All taxation is redistribution of wealth. The government takes our money, then uses it as it sees fit for the betterment of our lives. The decision was made long ago that the free market could not adequately provide everything we need: defense, police, firefighters, bridges, roads, etc., So the government takes money from individuals and spreads it around society. McCain is proposing a tax break for rich people and a tax refund as part of his health insurance plan. Palin pushed for a windfall tax on oil companies that she then redistributed to the people of Alaska. So, while they attack Obama for proposing a tax cut for the middle class, they are both for redistribution of wealth.

We learned after the Great Depression that we needed to insure people's deposits in the bank. Everyone is happy about the FDIC insurance they get for free from the government. The government agreeing to replace your cash if the bank screws up? Not exactly free market capitalism. We also discovered that we needed to provide for the basic needs of our elderly. Social Security was born. And even though it has the word 'social' right in it, very few people, other than folks on the fringe like Joe The Plumber, would like to face old age without it. Another safety net that most Americans would not like to live without is Medicare. Socialism! Wait until Rush Limbaugh realizes he can use his Medicare card to get cheaper pills than he does in the parking lot.

Anyone notice that tiny little bailout that President Bush spearheaded a few weeks ago? The one where the government committed $700 billion to buy up chunks of American companies? The one that both McCain and Obama supported? Yeah, some socialism in that one.

Our next venture into socialism will provide us with needed health care. We already spend more on health care than any nation in the world, yet 47 million people go without health insurance. In addition, insurance companies do not encourage preventative care and can choose to deny coverage even if you've paid your premiums. In 2000, The World Health Organization ranked the U.S. 37th in its list of health systems, behind Costa Rica, Morocco and Colombia, to name a few. That's a pretty low return for our money. When it comes to health care, capitalism needs a little bit of socialism.



Songstress brilliantly said...the bottom line as we both have learned is that many people dont care to hear our detailed, intelligent, educated,informed response to the idiotic 'redistribution' claim that they use as the reason not to vote Obama...they'd rather hang on to talking points and fear tactics rather then delve in and discuss the issues its sad but true..cant wait to check in with you on the 4th hun



I had to post it here because I feel like it explains the 'redistribution' argument to a tee. I didnt even hear the word 'Redistribution' until McCain brought up the Joe the Plumber crap at the debate. Now its being repeated over and over again by people who have fallen for the fear tactics of Mr. McCain. I will also repeat what I posted on NWR earlier:

'Keeping people hopeless and pessimistic - see I think there are two ways in which people are controlled - first of all frighten people and secondly demoralize them.'

'An educated, healthy and confident nation is harder to govern. '

Those of you are afraid of your money being redistributed to form a better healthcare system, watch Sick-O.

xosweetiexo Posted:

Re: Tuesday is Election Day...who are you voting for?

I'm sorry, but voting for McCain Palin... you are voting for BUSH.... yikes- open your eyes people!!! I'm voting Obama all the way!!!!!

ttdiff11 Posted:

Re: Tuesday is Election Day...who are you voting for?

mccain and palin allllll the way

Soon2beAlberti Posted:

Re: Tuesday is Election Day...who are you voting for?

mccain / palin...i really don't agree with redistribution of wealth or blanket healthcare...and there is too much suspicious dirt on obama...I'm not 100% thrilled with mccain / palin but I'll take my chances

ETA: I work too damn hard to have my money and my healthcare spread around to the non working, lazy, lowlife bloodsucking masses in the 'lower class' category that he'd like to redistribute to. I am middle class but I worked damn hard just to be middle class...there are so many people mooching off of our goverment, cheating the system of unemployment $, becoming foster parents just for the money...going to clinics when they have healthcare or $$ just to sae a buck at our expense...enough is enough.
xosweetiexo Posted:

Re: Tuesday is Election Day...who are you voting for?

Ummm helloooo Obama is working for the middle class..... McCain is working for the rich to make them richer....... I honestly can't believe this post... OMG I can't believe many of you want an old man (who has the same views as Bush) and a woman who has NO IDEA what she is doing....only concerned about her looks.... ohhhhh boy!!!

April_Luv Posted:

Re: Tuesday is Election Day...who are you voting for?


Posted by Songstress


Posted by lizzie217


Posted by Songstress

Obama/Biden '08. They can redistribute my wealth if its going to make our country stronger and better to live in.

Either McCain is Lying or He Doesnt Know What Socialism Is
One minute John McCain is calling Barack Obama a socialist. The next minute he's suggesting the federal government should buy up distressed mortgages at inflated prices to save home owners from their bad investments. Guess what John? That's a little bit of socialism right there.

None of the candidates is advocating literal socialism, a system whereby the government controls the basic means of production, least of all Obama, who is advised by Warren Buffett, one of the most successful capitalists of all time. If McCain were to suggest that, he should be disqualified from being president on the basis of mental deficiency.

On the other hand, as I pointed out in the opening paragraph, little bits of socialism can be found in policies espoused by all of the candidates. Sarah Palin's stump speech includes the line,'Now is not the time to experiment with socialism.' The truth is we've been experimenting with socialism since the republic began.

Capitalism is our way of life. It's arguably the best economic system ever invented. But it's flawed. It needs help. Unchecked capitalism is subject to unchecked greed. And that can lead to problems, such as we experienced in 1929 and the 1980s and are experiencing now. So, over the years, we've built a few checks and balances into the system. Many of these checks and balances might be thought of as socialism but they are integral to the American way of life.

Start with the very idea of taxation. All taxation is redistribution of wealth. The government takes our money, then uses it as it sees fit for the betterment of our lives. The decision was made long ago that the free market could not adequately provide everything we need: defense, police, firefighters, bridges, roads, etc., So the government takes money from individuals and spreads it around society. McCain is proposing a tax break for rich people and a tax refund as part of his health insurance plan. Palin pushed for a windfall tax on oil companies that she then redistributed to the people of Alaska. So, while they attack Obama for proposing a tax cut for the middle class, they are both for redistribution of wealth.

We learned after the Great Depression that we needed to insure people's deposits in the bank. Everyone is happy about the FDIC insurance they get for free from the government. The government agreeing to replace your cash if the bank screws up? Not exactly free market capitalism. We also discovered that we needed to provide for the basic needs of our elderly. Social Security was born. And even though it has the word 'social' right in it, very few people, other than folks on the fringe like Joe The Plumber, would like to face old age without it. Another safety net that most Americans would not like to live without is Medicare. Socialism! Wait until Rush Limbaugh realizes he can use his Medicare card to get cheaper pills than he does in the parking lot.

Anyone notice that tiny little bailout that President Bush spearheaded a few weeks ago? The one where the government committed $700 billion to buy up chunks of American companies? The one that both McCain and Obama supported? Yeah, some socialism in that one.

Our next venture into socialism will provide us with needed health care. We already spend more on health care than any nation in the world, yet 47 million people go without health insurance. In addition, insurance companies do not encourage preventative care and can choose to deny coverage even if you've paid your premiums. In 2000, The World Health Organization ranked the U.S. 37th in its list of health systems, behind Costa Rica, Morocco and Colombia, to name a few. That's a pretty low return for our money. When it comes to health care, capitalism needs a little bit of socialism.



Songstress brilliantly said...the bottom line as we both have learned is that many people dont care to hear our detailed, intelligent, educated,informed response to the idiotic 'redistribution' claim that they use as the reason not to vote Obama...they'd rather hang on to talking points and fear tactics rather then delve in and discuss the issues its sad but true..cant wait to check in with you on the 4th hun



I had to post it here because I feel like it explains the 'redistribution' argument to a tee. I didnt even hear the word 'Redistribution' until McCain brought up the Joe the Plumber crap at the debate. Now its being repeated over and over again by people who have fallen for the fear tactics of Mr. McCain. I will also repeat what I posted on NWR earlier:

'Keeping people hopeless and pessimistic - see I think there are two ways in which people are controlled - first of all frighten people and secondly demoralize them.'

'An educated, healthy and confident nation is harder to govern. '

Those of you are afraid of your money being redistributed to form a better healthcare system, watch Sick-O.




Solid---As Barack !!!!! 2009

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Soon2beAlberti Posted:

Re: Tuesday is Election Day...who are you voting for?

well, here is where obama lost my vote

Supports universal health care.

He voted against banning partial birth abortion. (I'm sorry but i DO consider abortion at 20 weeks unthoughtful murder)

Supports granting drivers licenses to illegal immigrants.

Supports extending welfare to illegal immigrants. (SERIOUSLY?!?!)

Voted Yes on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security

the ties to farrakhan are just scary to think about.

alymikewedding08 Posted:

Re: Tuesday is Election Day...who are you voting for?


Posted by Songstress

Obama/Biden '08. They can redistribute my wealth if its going to make our country stronger and better to live in.

Either McCain is Lying or He Doesnt Know What Socialism Is
One minute John McCain is calling Barack Obama a socialist. The next minute he's suggesting the federal government should buy up distressed mortgages at inflated prices to save home owners from their bad investments. Guess what John? That's a little bit of socialism right there.

None of the candidates is advocating literal socialism, a system whereby the government controls the basic means of production, least of all Obama, who is advised by Warren Buffett, one of the most successful capitalists of all time. If McCain were to suggest that, he should be disqualified from being president on the basis of mental deficiency.

On the other hand, as I pointed out in the opening paragraph, little bits of socialism can be found in policies espoused by all of the candidates. Sarah Palin's stump speech includes the line,'Now is not the time to experiment with socialism.' The truth is we've been experimenting with socialism since the republic began.

Capitalism is our way of life. It's arguably the best economic system ever invented. But it's flawed. It needs help. Unchecked capitalism is subject to unchecked greed. And that can lead to problems, such as we experienced in 1929 and the 1980s and are experiencing now. So, over the years, we've built a few checks and balances into the system. Many of these checks and balances might be thought of as socialism but they are integral to the American way of life.

Start with the very idea of taxation. All taxation is redistribution of wealth. The government takes our money, then uses it as it sees fit for the betterment of our lives. The decision was made long ago that the free market could not adequately provide everything we need: defense, police, firefighters, bridges, roads, etc., So the government takes money from individuals and spreads it around society. McCain is proposing a tax break for rich people and a tax refund as part of his health insurance plan. Palin pushed for a windfall tax on oil companies that she then redistributed to the people of Alaska. So, while they attack Obama for proposing a tax cut for the middle class, they are both for redistribution of wealth.

We learned after the Great Depression that we needed to insure people's deposits in the bank. Everyone is happy about the FDIC insurance they get for free from the government. The government agreeing to replace your cash if the bank screws up? Not exactly free market capitalism. We also discovered that we needed to provide for the basic needs of our elderly. Social Security was born. And even though it has the word 'social' right in it, very few people, other than folks on the fringe like Joe The Plumber, would like to face old age without it. Another safety net that most Americans would not like to live without is Medicare. Socialism! Wait until Rush Limbaugh realizes he can use his Medicare card to get cheaper pills than he does in the parking lot.

Anyone notice that tiny little bailout that President Bush spearheaded a few weeks ago? The one where the government committed $700 billion to buy up chunks of American companies? The one that both McCain and Obama supported? Yeah, some socialism in that one.

Our next venture into socialism will provide us with needed health care. We already spend more on health care than any nation in the world, yet 47 million people go without health insurance. In addition, insurance companies do not encourage preventative care and can choose to deny coverage even if you've paid your premiums. In 2000, The World Health Organization ranked the U.S. 37th in its list of health systems, behind Costa Rica, Morocco and Colombia, to name a few. That's a pretty low return for our money. When it comes to health care, capitalism needs a little bit of socialism.



I kinda want to hug u now!
MrsD71208 Posted:

Re: Tuesday is Election Day...who are you voting for?


Posted by Soon2beAlberti

well, here is where obama lost my vote

Supports universal health care.

He voted against banning partial birth abortion. (I'm sorry but i DO consider abortion at 20 weeks unthoughtful murder)

Supports granting drivers licenses to illegal immigrants.

Supports extending welfare to illegal immigrants. (SERIOUSLY?!?!)

Voted Yes on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security

the ties to farrakhan are just scary to think about.




Mwaaaaaaaaa!
GT143EA Posted:

Re: Tuesday is Election Day...who are you voting for?


Posted by cutiegirlxo

I'm sorry, but voting for McCain Palin... you are voting for BUSH.... yikes- open your eyes people!!! I'm voting Obama all the way!!!!!


OBAMA/BIDEN '08!!!!
Butterfly123 Posted:

Re: Tuesday is Election Day...who are you voting for?


Story Updated.
Daily Kos
McCain's sketchy cast of characters
by VirginiaDem
Sun Oct 05, 2008 at 10:26:55 AM PDT

Two can play at this game. As McCain fires up the guilt-by-association machine, I'd love a quote like this from Biden:

'You know, Barack could play this game too. John, you know I love him, but he's broken bread with some unsavory characters. He's been in Congress for a long time, met a lot of people, and that's just how it goes. But I don't think it casts his judgment in a negative light. It's John's actual judgment on the issues that casts his judgment in a negative light. And so Barack and I aren't going to play this old Washington game of guilt-by-association, we're not going to smear John the way his campaign is smearing Barack. We're going to focus on the issues that matter to everyday Americans, and not debate this sort of nonsense that Americans don't care about. Who Barack and John associated with has nothing to do with how we're going to fix the mortgage crisis, how we're going to fix health care in this country, how we're.... '

You get the picture. Let the speechwriters play with the language, but the key is to point out that McCain has his own closet full of sketchy people.

So, who are they? Well, just off the top of my head:

1. John Hagee -- After wooing him for a year (including over breakfast), John McCain secured and accepted the endorsement of Hagee in February, appearing on stage with him and stating that he was 'very proud' to receive Hagee's endorsement. Among other things, Hagee has called the Catholic church 'a great *****' and a 'false cult'; said that Nazis divine agents were sent by God to chase Europe's Jews towards Palestine; said that God will send terrorists to America to create a 'bloodbath' if the U.S. government pressures Isreal to swap land for peace; and said that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God and were the recipients of the judgment of God for that sin

2. Rod Parsley -- McCain also sought the support of Parsley and in a campaign appearance with him, McCain introduced him as 'one of the truly great leaders in America, a moral compass, a spiritual guide.' Parsley has called for the destruction of the entire Islamic religion, and described Islam as 'anti-Christ' and Mohammed as 'the mouthpiece of a conspiracy of spiritual evil.'

3. G. Gordon Liddy -- John McCain had a 1998 fundraiser in Liddy's home, and Liddy has made at least four contributions totaling $5,000 to McCain's campaigns (including $1,000 in 2008). McCain also appeared on Liddy's radio show in November, where Liddy greeted him as 'an old friend.' McCain told Liddy that 'I'm proud of you, I'm proud of your family. It's always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great.' Liddy served four years in jail for planning the Watergate break-in that ended Richard Nixon's presidency. In addition, Liddy has acknowledged preparing to kill someone during the Ellsberg break-in 'if necessary,' plotting to murder journalist Jack Anderson, plotting to murder Howard Hunt to stop him from cooperating with investigators, plotting to firebomb the Brookings Institution, and plotting to kidnap 'leftist guerillas' at the 1972 Republican National Convention using Nazis-style tactics. He's also said, among other things, that he thought the U.S. should've kill more civilians in Vietnam, that Branch Davidians should 'give [ATF agents] a firefight' by 'shooting for the head'; and that Hitler's speeches 'made him feel a strength inside [he] had never known before' because 'Hitler's sheer animal confidence and power of will [entranced him]' and 'sent an electric current through [Liddy's] body.'

4. Carl H. Lindner Jr. -- Lindner co-hosted in 2008 a $25,000-per-person fundraiser for McCain in the wealthy Indian Hills neighborhood of Cincinnati, Ohio, raisign $2 million. Lindner also serves on McCain's Ohio Victory Team. As CEO and board member of Chiquita Brands International, he oversaw the companies payment of $100,000s to the Columbia terror group AUC that is blamed for many of the country's worst civilian massacres. After being indicted by the Justice Department, Chiquita admitted to illegally funding the terror group and agreed to pay a $25 million fine.

5. Bob Allen -- Allen was appointed co-chair of McCain's Florida campaign. Allen was arrested for offering to pay for sex from an undercover police officer in a Florida rest area.

6. Charles Keating -- You know the story. Keating and his associates showered McCain with over $100,000 in campaign donations. Keating met with McCain repeatedly and demanded that McCain meet repeatedly with regulators on Keating's behalf to pressure regulators to drop their investigation of Keating's savings and loan. McCain and other Senators met with regulators twice in what was viewed by the regulators as undue and improper pressure. Keating served time for being a crook.

7. Oliver North -- North endorsed McCain this year, an endorsement that McCain's campaign touted by circulating it to the press. When North ran for Senate, McCain endorsed North. Of course, North was a central figure in Iran-Contra scandal and convicted of shredding documents, accepting an illegal gratuity and aiding and abetting in the obstruction of Congress.

8. Ralph Reed -- Reed co-hosted an Atlanta fundraiser with McCain. Reed's lobbying and PR companies received at least $4.2 million from convicted felon Jack Abramoff. Oddly, John McCain in his Senate investigation of the Abramoff scandal did not call Reed to testify, even though Reed was handling the Indian tribe lobbying McCain was investigating.

9. Maj. General John K. Singlaub -- The linked recommended diary covers this connection well, McCain and Singlaub sat on a board together. Singlaub was involved in Iran-Contra and also was active with the World Anti-Communist League, described as 'a collection of Nazis, Fascists, anti-Semites, sellers of forgeries, vicious racialists, and corrupt self-seekers' by a former member.

10. Todd and Sarah Palin -- Husband of McCain's running mate and repeatedly on the stage with him. Todd Palin was a registered member of the pro-successionist Alaska Independent Party, an anti-American group which advocated the succession of Alaska from the union. Sarah Palin repeatedly addressed the AIP's convention, and has been reported to have been active in the party as well.

When the media starts breathlessly reporting about McCain questioning Obama's associations, will it bother to look into McCain's only questionable associations? Probably not -- but perhaps we should help 'em out a bit.

Those are McCains sketchy relation but you dont hear about them because he isnt a minority running for presidency.

And I question anyone who is against any type of universal healthcare. Anyone who is against it has NEVER been in the position where they had to put their own house up to save their own lives. Or have had family member who had to make sacrifices for their own lives. There are 9/11 workers who VOLUNTEERED their services and their own country is telling them 'We didnt ask for your help therefore youre not covered' We live in a country where we will give exorbitrant amounts of money to KILL people in a senseless war but will do NOTHING when our OWN people are SICK and DYING. (And lets not mention the soldier who was forced to pay for damaged armor when he was injured during combat.. TRUE story people) And some of you can sit here and say 'I dont want my money redistributed for the better of mankind' I hope you all live happily ever after with your bank accounts and I pray no one you love ever gets sick. Because our health care system is PATHETIC. We are 38th on the list behind Morocco and Costa Rica. Al Qaeda gets better healthcare (than majority of you on this site) in Guantanamo Bay. But if you wanna sit here and pretend your money is being taken to support 'abusers of the system' and that makes you feel good, then more power to you. You wanna argue and say Obama is for partial abortion. Find out how many parents cant afford to bring their child with a simple FEVER to the hospital and count how many children in this country die because their parents cant afford to pay for a procedure that would be free in Canada. Our own country is aborting children when they deny a parent coverage. And you tell me what a superior nation we are. I dont know about most of you but I would live with ONE car as opposed to two to save a few lives.

Whatever, 48 hours to go and I pray to God a change is coming.
Butterfly123 Posted:

Re: Tuesday is Election Day...who are you voting for?





Supports granting drivers licenses to illegal immigrants.

Not true. Obama has never agreed to this. It was then-Governor Eliot Spitzer's proposal to issue drivers licenses to illegal immigrants and Obama said 'I AM NOT PROPOSING THATS WHAT WE DO'

Supports extending welfare to illegal immigrants. (SERIOUSLY?!?!)
He supports this for LEGAL immigrants not illegal. He has stated there are not enough resources to cover illegal immigrants.

Voted Yes on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security

So did McCain before he changed his stance.


xosweetiexo Posted:

Re: Tuesday is Election Day...who are you voting for?


Posted by Songstress





Supports granting drivers licenses to illegal immigrants.

Not true. Obama has never agreed to this. It was then-Governor Eliot Spitzer's proposal to issue drivers licenses to illegal immigrants and Obama said 'I AM NOT PROPOSING THATS WHAT WE DO'

Supports extending welfare to illegal immigrants. (SERIOUSLY?!?!)
He supports this for LEGAL immigrants not illegal. He has stated there are not enough resources to cover illegal immigrants.

Voted Yes on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security

So did McCain before he changed his stance.







WEll SAID!!!!!
Soon2beAlberti Posted:

Re: Tuesday is Election Day...who are you voting for?

I'm sorry but the arguement about partial abortion vs. children dying bc their parents couldn't afford to get them healthcare doesn't fly with me. I didn't go to college and I find a way to work and live comfortably...I struggle at times...but whatever I have to do, I do.

my father always told me 'if you're mature enough to open your legs you better be mature enough to deal with the consequences' If I was broke and pregnant...I'd get a job...and if that wasn't enough to provide for my baby...I'd get another job and another. there are too many young woman out there having babies and carelessly aborting them without even TRYING to educate themselves about the other alternatives. OR having a bunch of children and milking the system bc theyre too lazy to work and struggle a bit for a living. we need to get back to teaching this generation and the next about morals, repurcussions for their actions...and not always let them take the easy way out...it's not right! at 20 weeks that baby is so much more than just some toss away fetus.

I don't support abortion, I support better education to decrease the need for abortion in the first place.

ETA: i'm not saying abortion should be illegal...although I personally don't believe in it. BUT I DO think PARTIAL BIRTH abortion should be illegal...and I kinda like mccains proposals of 'meetings' with the family of underage pregnant ladies to discuss alternatives and options before letting them choose adoption. once that baby is gone...its a done deal...there is no getting that baby back so...I def think more thought should go into it

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