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When would you start to really worry???

coldasice217 Posted:

When would you start to really worry???

I might have a bit of a situation on my hands, and want to get a consensus of what you would do or when you would start to react.

I ordered my Venetian Masks Monday night, after business hours, from a website that supposedly has a shop down in Miami. I had googled them prior, and they showed up on several wedding websites with glowing reviews because they're popular with high end masks, even Martha Stewart weddings, so I thought no problem.

After I placed my order and looked at the image of what I ordered more carefully, I realize I ordered the wrong style for the small favor sized masks. The descriptions were ambiguous, and the website didn't label each image with which style it was. I sent an email to the customer service address asking that they make the change before processing the order, and to please confirm that they would do so.

The next day, after not receiving a reply email back by late afternoon, I decided to call the number just to follow up. It rang several times, and then went in to the general voicemail. I left a message reiterating my email, and asked to please be called back.

All day yesterday passed with neither a phone call or email in return.

I tried calling again this morning, and once again it went in to voicemail. I didn't bother leaving a message, but instead sent another email, this time also copying in the sales address, the webmaster address, and the PR address, figuring SOMEONE would have to get back to me of 4 people.

After a little more research, I'm starting to get worried that they packed up shop. The website copyright is 2005, and the most recent articles I've found online are dated 2007. There is no listing for them at all on the better business bureau.

The checkout was through Paypal, so I've already paid for these masks which now I'm not sure if I'll even ever get. They certainly weren't cheap either...I'm usually very frugal with wedding stuff, but this was like my one splurge item, because it was something I really wanted and thought was so perfect for us. Paypal lets you dispute the charge within 45 days of purchase...so technically I haev until August 27th to try to get my money back.

What do you think? What would you do? Short of hopping a flight to Miami, what can I do if they don't pick up the only published phone number and don't respond to their emails???
allegracristina Posted:

Re: When would you start to really worry???

Can you look up their address, find a neighboring business and call them and ask if they have heard anything? I know that sounds crazy, but that was the first thing I thought of. Can you look up the business in the yellow pages and see if it's still listed?

coldasice217 Posted:

Re: When would you start to really worry???


Posted by allegracristina

Can you look up their address, find a neighboring business and call them and ask if they have heard anything? I know that sounds crazy, but that was the first thing I thought of. Can you look up the business in the yellow pages and see if it's still listed?



UGH they're not found on yellow pages, and when I googled the address it looks like it's someone's house. What the heck??? But this was on Martha Stewart weddings, I don't understand if it would be sheisty how that would be possible? FH is going to KILL me.
gina409 Posted:

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i would keep calling back after a few days..if no response can u call the BBB to see if something is going on,maybe they can help

mrsdraskin2009 Posted:

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I'd dispute the charges; not worth the potential hassle.

allegracristina Posted:

Re: When would you start to really worry???


Posted by coldasice217


Posted by allegracristina

Can you look up their address, find a neighboring business and call them and ask if they have heard anything? I know that sounds crazy, but that was the first thing I thought of. Can you look up the business in the yellow pages and see if it's still listed?



UGH they're not found on yellow pages, and when I googled the address it looks like it's someone's house. What the heck??? But this was on Martha Stewart weddings, I don't understand if it would be sheisty how that would be possible? FH is going to KILL me.



He shouldn't kill you lol. It's an honest mistake. It happens! I also just googled a few bakery addresses and they looked like people's houses too, and I thought that was weird. I'm sorry you're going through this, but shizz like this happens, and you shouldn't be crucified for it, OR make yourself sick over it. Keep me posted, and let me know if there's anything I can do. I have ALL wholesale contacts from my store (but I know you do too) so if you need me to look into maks wholesale for you, I can.
coldasice217 Posted:

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Ugh, just got off the phone with 4 or 5 businesses, and none of them had any idea who I was talking about.

Which brings me to my second question...does anyone know of a mask company on Long Island?
JennyAPH Posted:

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You can still dispute the charge with Paypal so I wouldn't worry too much.. Also I would think that Paypal would know if a company that they work with goes out of business? Unless it is something very recent?

What is the name of the company? Ill help you investigate.. Work is slow!
coldasice217 Posted:

Re: When would you start to really worry???


Posted by allegracristina


Posted by coldasice217


Posted by allegracristina

Can you look up their address, find a neighboring business and call them and ask if they have heard anything? I know that sounds crazy, but that was the first thing I thought of. Can you look up the business in the yellow pages and see if it's still listed?



UGH they're not found on yellow pages, and when I googled the address it looks like it's someone's house. What the heck??? But this was on Martha Stewart weddings, I don't understand if it would be sheisty how that would be possible? FH is going to KILL me.



He shouldn't kill you lol. It's an honest mistake. It happens! I also just googled a few bakery addresses and they looked like people's houses too, and I thought that was weird. I'm sorry you're going through this, but shizz like this happens, and you shouldn't be crucified for it, OR make yourself sick over it. Keep me posted, and let me know if there's anything I can do. I have ALL wholesale contacts from my store (but I know you do too) so if you need me to look into maks wholesale for you, I can.



I will definitely keep you posted. My contacts wouldn't be for anything like this, so if you had any that would be, I would definitely appreciate that, and might need to go that route if I don't hear anything soon.
coldasice217 Posted:

Re: When would you start to really worry???


Posted by JennyAPH

You can still dispute the charge with Paypal so I wouldn't worry too much.. Also I would think that Paypal would know if a company that they work with goes out of business? Unless it is something very recent?

What is the name of the company? Ill help you investigate.. Work is slow!



It's Karneval Masque Atelier....thanks!
JennyAPH Posted:

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When you google that address it does show someones house but it says that Business is registered to that address... So i guess the business could be run out of the house.. altho they did say they have affiliates in Canda, and Japan and other US states...

Maybe you can contact paypal and ask them when the last time they dealt with anyone from that company. I am sure they have to deal with them from time to time somehow?

I will keep looking for you
julesrbf Posted:

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Posted by JennyAPH

When you google that address it does show someones house but it says that Business is registered to that address... So i guess the business could be run out of the house.. altho they did say they have affiliates in Canda, and Japan and other US states...

Maybe you can contact paypal and ask them when the last time they dealt with anyone from that company. I am sure they have to deal with them from time to time somehow?

I will keep looking for you



That is a good suggestion, actually - to contact PayPal directly.

Keep us updated!
coldasice217 Posted:

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OK, just got off the phone with paypal.

They told me that they would not be able to tell me if there have been any other recent transactions with the company. Basically they told me that what I could do is open up a dispute, which would mean that paypal would step in as an intermediary to try to contact the company as well. If no response happens after that, I can escalate it to a claim, and since I have proof of attempted contact with emails and voicemails, I would get my money back. He said that he would give it a week, and if I get no response, to open the dispute.

That's reassuring...except that the payment was already completed, and I will have to lay out the money on my next cc bill until this all gets settled. Ugh it's always something!
LadyDuda81509 Posted:

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on there website under the catalog request tab
it says:

Karneval will be exhibiting at the San Francisco International Gift Fair again! Looking for unique products for your store? Meet our staff, and see our beautiful masques up close in th 'Details' section in the Moscone Center, North Hall. January 2008, Booth #5539

soo 2008 they were still around!! i know its 2009 but at least its more recent then 2007!
sorry im really no help!
JamDancer Posted:

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hmmm, is it a small business? Maybe they are on vacation or something?? Weird, yes, but if it is a small business they might just have a few people working.

Give it a week I would say, and then go through paypal to make a claim. That really stinks, but at least you should be able to get your money back. Good thing it was through paypal and not directly on your CC!
coldasice217 Posted:

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Just called a whole slew of companies listed that supposedly carry their merchandise...it seems like they all dealt with them years ago, and not recently, which is a pretty bad sign. Surprisingly, many were willing to help me even though I didn't buy from them, and are supposedly going to check with their merchandising people and call me back with more info.

I'm so upset, I was so looking forward to them. I really hope that they just have shizzy customer service practices and next week I have a nice shiny package waiting for me. I haven't been able to find any others online that aren't 200 bucks EACH and such a nice looking quality.

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