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Yet another Controversay topic today: God vs Bible.... RE: Birth Control and pre-martial sex

Original post by Xelindrya

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Spinoff from the same sex marriage...

I ask this as an Agnostic who isnt trying to tease, judge or convert. But as a question of curiousity and in the pursuit to know more...

Although I admit it's been awhile since I picked up the good book, my Pedecostal upbringing seems to recall no mention anywhere in the book itself that directly quotes Thou shalt not do the nasty before marriage.. nor does it say Thou shalt not prevent pregnancy. Both subjects to me are good faith followings of the community of the church not so much the 'word of god'.

Unless someone can point the Chapter and Verse to me which I will then GLADLY admit my error..

Discussion anyone? Not that I think any will reply.. but its worth asking.

Oh while youre at it.. can someone please look up the word Fornication in the bible and actually COUNT the number of times it's used. Last time I checked was in college and I spent the whole evening with the book and only found it once.. and it basically pointed to the idea if a man found his woman to have 'fornicated' prior to marriage he could throw her out and wasn't responsible for her .. nothing about it being a sin.

(PS: should add I don't think it was a catholic bible, but I can't be sure. Catholic bibles I read always seem different..dunno why - yet another question)

ETA: I still think holding off before marriage is a VERY good idea!! Just why make it a religious thing?

But I am all for birth control if nothing else because it makes that duty of our (women) less annoying, long and painful. As far as using it as a free pass to hump every man who catches your eye.. no I disagree with that use. I mean the pill doesnt exactly stop STDs (not save the dates), does it?

MrsBrad Thread views: 1,643

Re: Yet another Controversay topic today: God vs Bible.... RE: Birth Control and pre-martial sex

Here is what I have from a quick search - I could go more in depth later.

Acts 15:20: Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.

Romans 13:13: Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy.

1 Corinthians 6:13: 'Food for the stomach and the stomach for food'–but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.

1 Corinthians 6:18: Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.

Ephesians 5:3: But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people.

The word 'fornication' is found 35 times in the King James Version. Fornication is also translated as 'sexual immorality' in the New King James and New International Versions.

Xelindrya Thread views: 1,643

Re: Yet another Controversay topic today: God vs Bible.... RE: Birth Control and pre-martial sex

Posted by MrsBrad

The word 'fornication' is found 35 times in the King James Version. Fornication is also translated as 'sexual immorality' in the New King James and New International Versions.

There's a development.. From one bible that says it only once.. to another which defines it.

Sexually Immoral.. I have issues with this term. It reminds me of the idea of 'Newspeak' in 1984. The church makes up values to follow which 'God' has said but takes them a bit too far. For the good of man I might add. Sex with Sheep is bad, Wild free for all sex with everyone who's handy is bad, Sex without committment or virtue is bad, Sex without committment to God in the relationship (according to this) is bad, Sex outside the wedding bed is defiling the bed of marriage and is bad.

Still although it says it's bad.. and I agree with that.. it doesnt agrue that by having sex before marriage no matter how much you love and cherish God and your partner, no matter how much you are monogamous (which was a rarity back then) to that partner, you are somehow a 'sinner'. I 'intrepret' this to mean don't be a whore... and I say that to mean it's normally directed to women. But men too must at the very least honor the WEDDING bed, but no so much the before, just don't get immoral and nasty, be true to God and put him first.

Heck that's almost an open invitation to Greek Orgies if the bible didnt 'happen' to spell it out not to do that. Did God know about orgies when the bible was writen, I doubt it. That's a man made thing that the 'Church' wanted very much to stifle (which I agree to). If you take it literally, God and church (christ) come first before ALL during your entire life span. All else is not quite sin but 'distraction' from the Lord and you should try to resist while at the same time 'Go forth and Multiply'.

This is, obviously, one of the most important issues of the Bible that I find so very murky and confused by the obvious interference of man (priests) and their bias opinions and interepretations of a God I was raised to believe was fair and equal to all.

I think my biggest problem is half the time the Bible is directly opposite of my basic beliefs.

Be good, do good, think well, do onto others, keep your mind on the big picture spiritually at all times - not just when it's something you want, appreciate the life you have and the things you have, don't ask for more, you can't run your life its been planned you can only hope to do well in your assigned path, keep a look out for pitfalls, repent those wrong doings and try to share with others the value of constantly keeping an inner peace and open mind, realize others are happy with their beliefs and honor them, learn from others and try to pry out more information - you never know what you may find.