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Another Spin/View on the Katrina blame game

February05 Posted:

Another Spin/View on the Katrina blame game

DISCLAIMER: This is an article from the Daily News. I'm posting it just to represent the other side of the 'debate'... to offer another perspective. Either way, the damage is done, and now we need to work on the Solution, But i did feel that the author of this article made some very valid points.

ok, now with that said,,,, here's the article


from Charles Krauthammer in today's (9/9) New York Daily News:

Feds, La. pols, citizenry
were asleep at the switch

In less enlightened times, there was no catastrophe independent of human agency. When the plague or some other natural disaster struck, witches were burned, Jews were massacred and all felt better (except the witches and Jews). A few centuries later, our progressive thinkers have progressed not an inch. No fall of a sparrow on this planet is not attributed to sin and human perfidy.

The three current favorites are: (1) global warming, (2) the war in Iraq and (3) tax cuts. Katrina hits and the unholy trinity is immediately invoked to damn sinner-in-chief George W. Bush.

This kind of stupidity merits no attention whatsoever, but I'll give it a paragraph. There is no relationship between global warming and the frequency and intensity of Atlantic hurricanes. Period. The problem with the evacuation of New Orleans is not that National Guardsmen in Iraq could not get to New Orleans, but that National Guardsmen in Louisiana did not get to New Orleans. As for the Bush tax cuts, administration budget requests for New Orleans flood control during the five Bush years exceed that of the five preceding Clinton years. The notion that the allegedly missing revenues would have been spent wisely by Congress, been targeted precisely to the levees of New Orleans and that reconstruction would have been completed in time, is a threefold fallacy. The argument ends when you realize that, as The Washington Post notes, 'the levees that failed were already completed projects.'

Let's be clear. The author of this calamity was, first and foremost, Nature (or if you prefer, Nature's God). The suffering was augmented, aided and abetted in descending order of culpability by the following:

1. The mayor of New Orleans. He knows the city. He knows the danger. He knows that during Hurricane Georges in 1998, the use of the Superdome was a disaster and that fully two-thirds of the residents never got out of the city. Nothing was done. He declared a mandatory evacuation only 24 hours before Hurricane Katrina hit. He did not even declare a voluntary evacuation until the day before that, at 5 p.m. At that time, he explained that he needed to study his legal authority to call a mandatory evacuation and was hesitating to do so lest the city be sued by hotels and other businesses.

2. The Louisiana governor. It's her job to call up the National Guard and get it to where it has to go. Where the Guard was in the first few days is a mystery. Indeed, she issued an authorization for the National Guard to commandeer school buses to evacuate people on Wednesday afternoon - more than two days after the hurricane hit and after much of the fleet had already drowned in its parking lots.

3. The head of FEMA. Late, slow and in way over his head. On Thursday he says on national television that he didn't even know there were people in the Convention Center, when anybody watching television could see them there destitute and desperate. Maybe in his vast bureaucracy he can assign three 20-year-olds to watch cable news and give him updates every hour on what in hell is going on.

4. The President. Late, slow and simply out of tune with the urgency and magnitude of the disaster. The second he heard that the levees had been breached in New Orleans, he should have canceled his schedule and addressed the country on national television to mobilize it both emotionally and physically to assist in the disaster. His flyover on the way to Washington was the worst possible symbolism. And his Friday visit was so tone-deaf and politically disastrous that he had to fly back three days later.

5. Congress. Now as always playing holier-than-thou. Perhaps it might ask itself who created the Department of Homeland Security in the first place. The congressional response to all crises is the same - rearrange the bureaucratic boxes, but be sure to add one extra layer. The last four years of DHS have been spent principally on bureaucratic reorganization (and real estate) instead of, say, a workable plan for as predictable a disaster as a Gulf Coast hurricane.

6. The American people. They have made it impossible for any politician to make any responsible energy policy over the last 30 years - but that is a column for another day. For them, now is not the time for constructive suggestions; now is the time for blame, recriminations and sheer astonishment. Mayor Ray Nagin has announced that, as bodies are still being found and as a public health catastrophe descends upon the city, he is sending 60% of his cops on city funds for a little R&R, mostly to Vegas hotels. Asked if it was appropriate to party in these circumstances, he responded: 'New Orleans is a party town. Get over it.'

Originally published on September 9, 2005
takeoutcook Posted:

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Posted by neeniebean86






'This kind of stupidity merits no attention whatsoever, but I'll give it a paragraph. There is no relationship between global warming and the frequency and intensity of Atlantic hurricanes. Period. '


WHAT?

What are his qualifications to make that claim? Where is his proof? His saying so doesnt convince me when many agencies, including federal agencies FEMA, NOAA (national oceans association) have argued the opposite.

johnsae Posted:

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thanks for posting - very good points

February05 Posted:

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Posted by takeoutcook
WHAT?

What are his qualifications to make that claim? Where is his proof? His saying so doesnt convince me



That's exactly how i feel about Michael Moore
johnsae Posted:

Re: Another Spin/View on the Katrina blame game


Posted by neeniebean86


Posted by takeoutcook
WHAT?

What are his qualifications to make that claim? Where is his proof? His saying so doesnt convince me



That's exactly how i feel about Michael Moore




me too!!! he is so obnoxious.
heidla Posted:

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While I do not think that the blame can be placed solely on one person's shoulders I think it is only natural to look to our government for answers. This was not just a failure of our federal government, but one of state and local as well.

With that said I think that anyone who says that global warming has nothing to do with the increase in hurricane activity is obviously not too in touch with his natural surroundings. When the Polar icecaps and 90% of glaciers are receeding something is wrong. The causes are a guess, but global warming is a fact.
February05 Posted:

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Posted by heidla

While I do not think that the blame can be placed solely on one person's shoulders I think it is only natural to look to our government for answers. This was not just a failure of our federal government, but one of state and local as well.

With that said I think that anyone who says that global warming has nothing to do with the increase in hurricane activity is obviously not too in touch with his natural surroundings. When the Polar icecaps and 90% of glaciers are receeding something is wrong. The causes are a guess, but global warming is a fact.



i agree on all points!
Ronkonkomonga Posted:

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Just to make sure I'm clear - Is the point of the article to say that everyone is to blame?




Neen - can I hijack your thread for a minute?

Just a side QOTD (given the responses)


what do you think the difference is between Michael Moore & John Stewart.

They both say essentially the same thing IMO


just curious
February05 Posted:

Re: Another Spin/View on the Katrina blame game


Posted by Ronkonkomonga

Just to make sure I'm clear - Is the point of the article to say that everyone is to blame?

Neen - can I hijack your thread for a minute?

Just a side QOTD (given the responses)

what do you think the difference is between Michael Moore & John Stewart.

They both say essentially the same thing IMO

just curious



Hi jack away

i think he's definitely trying to disperse the blame here (with different levels of ownership), rather that use just one person as the scapegoat- which, essentially, i do agree with. Now, obviously i don't count myself responsible for Katrina happening, But as far as his theory with the people holding back any type of laws or ammendments to the energy policy- well, im not sure of specific occurences that he's talking about, BUT the first thing that comes to my mind is this: If you were told by the government that energy conservation acts (such as limited power- only being able to use your computer, TV, a/c, oven, vaccuum, hair dryer-- all those things, for a limited amount of time each day) needed to be put in place, and strictly enforced- the whole country would go crazy. Not being able to use computers, electricity, etc... would cost businesses Tons of $$$, which would affect the economy, employees, etc. In terms of global warming- lots of people point fingers and demand change, but who's going to be he 1st one to turn off their computer, or get rid of their big screen TV? Not me.

I agree with heidla though on him being wrong about denying any correlation b/w that and the hurricanes, etc. I dont know what his credentials are, but i find it safe to assume that its not meteorology, and the consequences it faces
marymoon Posted:

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He has a lot of really good points. The only thing is of course the global warming/hurricaine causal relationship. I'm not a scientist, but everything I've learned has said that there is a direct relationship between global warming and hurricaines because the waters are getting warmer and staying warmer for longer periods of time. Of course there are some people who don't believe in global warming, and say that the rising average temperature over the past 100 years is part of normal fluctuations in temperature.... Anyway I'm not sure I buy his global warming thing..

Ronkonkomonga Posted:

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yes they are good points.

Summer05 Posted:

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I think he made some very good points!

sweetadeline Posted:

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Krauthammer. Is he an environmental scientist? No? Well, I don't think he's got the expertise to say that global warming has nothing to do with the increasing strength of hurricanes.

I cannot sit around attributing what happened to 'nature' or an act of God. I worry about and will continue discussing the following list of documented failures of a government agency that we American citizens are supposed to be able to rely on in times of great distress.

(And before I get accused of Bush bashing or some similar nonsense, note that the sources below represent a wide variety of political leanings within journalism. The Trib, for example, leans rightward. FEMA itself, of course, is not exactly a raging liberal organization, and the last bit is from its own offices.)

Today of all days, I can't help but worry about our government's failure to protect people. Sorry if that offends, I guess.

FEMA's Blocking Of Relief Efforts - An Amazing List
9-8-5

FEMA won't accept Amtrak's help in evacuations
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/84aa35cc-1da8-11da-b40b-00000e..

FEMA turns away experienced firefighters
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/5/105538/7048

FEMA turns back Wal-Mart supply trucks
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/national/nationalspec..

FEMA prevents Coast Guard from delivering diesel fuel
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/05/national/nationalspec..

FEMA won't let Red Cross deliver food
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm

FEMA bars morticians from entering New Orleans
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15147862&BRD=...

FEMA blocks 500-boat citizen flotilla from delivering aid
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/9/3/171718/0826

FEMA fails to utilize Navy ship with 600-bed hospital on board
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0509..

FEMA to Chicago: Send just one truck
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-050902dale..

FEMA turns away generators
http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWLBLOG.ac3fcea.html

FEMA: 'First Responders Urged Not To Respond'
http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=18470

That last one is real -- not satire but straight from FEMA's website.
February05 Posted:

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Posted by sweetadeline
Today of all days, I can't help but worry about our government's failure to protect people. Sorry if that offends, I guess.



I think that was the point of the article- the governement Didn't act accordingly, but it was at ALL levels... not just the president.

sweetadeline Posted:

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Sure, he places the blame at all levels, but his 'anti blame game' article is, again, a blame game, isn't it?

Instead of blaming the President first he blames the Democrats first. (Well, after blaming 'nature,' which is useless and absurd.) So, if you're anti-blame game, wouldn't this article also be problematic for you? Why is Krauthammer's blame game more acceptable or 'good points'?

Isn't Krauthammer just a right leaning version of the much demonized Michael Moore?

February05 Posted:

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Posted by sweetadeline

Sure, he places the blame at all levels, but his 'anti blame game' article is, again, a blame game, isn't it?

Instead of blaming the President first he blames the Democrats first. (Well, after blaming 'nature,' which is useless and absurd.) So, if you're anti-blame game, wouldn't this article also be problematic for you? Why is Krauthammer's blame game more acceptable or 'good points'?

Isn't Krauthammer just a right leaning version of the much demonized Michael Moore?




maybe he is the 'right wing' version of Michael moore.... the whole point of posting this was to offer a perspective from the OTHER side.

I dont think he blamed democrats first just B/C they were 'Democrats'... but b/c they TOO had a job to perform and DIDNT. He couldve been completely closed-minded/stand by his party and not have even mentioned Bush, etc... but he pointed out ALL of the goverments short comings- and I happen to agree with it. You have your opinion, and i completely respect that, But, i dont think that its fair to completely overlook the roles that Other officials (regardless of WHAT political Party they are) had in this.

and i really dont think he's pointing fingers at mother nature in blame, but reaffirming that this was, in fact, a NATURAL disaster- no one had any control of whether or not it was going to happen, but Now, its time for the people in those positions to own up to the fact that they did not fulfill their duties, and Now work on getting the job done.
February05 Posted:

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i forgot to answer this part:


Posted by sweetadeline
Why is Krauthammer's blame game more acceptable or 'good points'?



Because, imo, he makes some Good Points
sweetadeline Posted:

Re: Another Spin/View on the Katrina blame game


Posted by neeniebean86


Posted by sweetadeline

Sure, he places the blame at all levels, but his 'anti blame game' article is, again, a blame game, isn't it?

Instead of blaming the President first he blames the Democrats first. (Well, after blaming 'nature,' which is useless and absurd.) So, if you're anti-blame game, wouldn't this article also be problematic for you? Why is Krauthammer's blame game more acceptable or 'good points'?

Isn't Krauthammer just a right leaning version of the much demonized Michael Moore?




maybe he is the 'right wing' version of Michael moore.... the whole point of posting this was to offer a perspective from the OTHER side.

I dont think he blamed democrats first just B/C they were 'Democrats'... but b/c they TOO had a job to perform and DIDNT. He couldve been completely closed-minded/stand by his party and not have even mentioned Bush, etc... but he pointed out ALL of the goverments short comings- and I happen to agree with it. You have your opinion, and i completely respect that, But, i dont think that its fair to completely overlook the roles that Other officials (regardless of WHAT political Party they are) had in this.

and i really dont think he's pointing fingers at mother nature in blame, but reaffirming that this was, in fact, a NATURAL disaster- no one had any control of whether or not it was going to happen, but Now, its time for the people in those positions to own up to the fact that they did not fulfill their duties, and Now work on getting the job done.



Who is completely overlooking the roles of 'other officials' (I assume that you mean 'other than Bush') in the disaster's aftermath? Am I? I don't think I've ever said or even indicated that. In fact, I have repeatedly said the opposite.

And yes, of course he is reaffirming that Katrina was a natural disaster. But why does Krauthammer feel the need to reaffirm the obvious point that hurricanes are natural events? It strikes me that his reason for doing so is explicitly political: he is very subtly suggesting that the government had no way of anticipating nature's course. Which is not true. Repeated warnings from environmental scientists and meteorologists were repeatedly ignored.

As I said last week, my concern is that the people responsible for the various and egregious blunders in the Katrina response be held accountable so that the same blunders do not occur again. Krauthammer appears to be suggesting that looking for accountability is somewhat inappropriate in the face of 'natural' events. The disastrous response to the disaster was manmade, not natural.
sweetadeline Posted:

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Posted by neeniebean86

i forgot to answer this part:


Posted by sweetadeline
Why is Krauthammer's blame game more acceptable or 'good points'?



Because, imo, he makes some Good Points



Well, I obviously disagree...
February05 Posted:

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Posted by sweetadeline
Who is completely overlooking the roles of 'other officials' (I assume that you mean 'other than Bush') in the disaster's aftermath? Am I? I don't think I've ever said or even indicated that. In fact, I have repeatedly said the opposite.

And yes, of course he is reaffirming that Katrina was a natural disaster. But why does Krauthammer feel the need to reaffirm the obvious point that hurricanes are natural events? It strikes me that his reason for doing so is explicitly political: he is very subtly suggesting that the government had no way of anticipating nature's course. Which is not true. Repeated warnings from environmental scientists and meteorologists were repeatedly ignored.



Im not pointing fingers at you at all, or saying that You personally, were saying that it was only Bush that was to blame, BUT that most of the articles of 'dismay' that are circling around this topic (i.e michael moore's letter, etc) are just pointing the finger at Him, and counting him solely responsible- which i dont agree with.
But, i disagree with what you're saying about Krauthammer subtly suggesting that the government had no way of anticipating the hurricanes course- he clearly stated that the mayor knew about it, yet, didnt order a mandatory evacuation until, basically, the last minute, b/c he didnt want to deal with the possibility of law suits, etc.



Posted by sweetadeline
As I said last week, my concern is that the people responsible for the various and egregious blunders in the Katrina response be held accountable so that the same blunders do not occur again. Krauthammer appears to be suggesting that looking for accountability is somewhat inappropriate in the face of 'natural' events. The disastrous response to the disaster was manmade, not natural.



again, i disagree yet, agree too. i agree that ALL of the people involved in the pitiful response to this disaster be held accountable. But, i dont think he is dismissing all of that, rather, expanding the accountability across the numerous levels of the governement (and not just the federal).

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