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Can you be pregnant full term and not know?

KarenG Posted:

Can you be pregnant full term and not know?

I read this article in Newsday today. Besides being furious and nauseated by this woman's appaling actions, I was stunned that she claimed she didn't know she was pregnant until she delivered.

I've read many posts on this board about discomfort, babies leaning on bladders, etc....and I'm hard pressed to believe she carried full term and never knew. Since I've never been pregnant, I'm putting this out to all the moms for comment.

Here is the article...


Mom Gets 18-Life for Infant's Murder

By Chau Lam
Staff Writer

July 23, 2003, 3:20 PM EDT

The North Massapequa waitress convicted of murder for suffocating and killing her newborn child on Christmas Day in 2001 by putting him in a plastic bag and tucking him under her bed was sentenced today to a term of 18 years to life in prison today.

Nassau County Court Judge Jerald S. Carter said the sentence would run concurrently with the years before Kathleen Brown's son, Christian, would have legally become an adult. Brown was convicted in May of second-degree murder in the Dec. 25, 2001, death.

'I don't know what went through your mind ... but nothing can bring back Christian,' the judge told her in imposing the jail term.

Brown, 26, who did not testify at her murder trial spoke publicly for the first time yesterday and told Carter that she did not know she was pregnant, reiterating what her attorney, Marvin Zevin, said during the trial.

On the day she delivered her baby alone in her bedroom Brown said she thought the boy, whom she named Christian, was dead. 'I shook him. I moved him. He didn't move. He didn't open his eyes,' Brown told Carter prior to sentencing in the hope that the judge would show mercy.

But Assistant District Attorney Robert Biancavilla said the evidence in the case proved she was aware of the pregnancy. 'I think the sentence was fair given the circumstances,' said Biancavilla.

Prosecutors argued that Brown smothered the child after giving birth as her family enjoyed a Christmas meal elsewhere in the house. Brown placed the boy in a plastic bag and stashed him under her bed until late the following day.

The child was born about 2 p.m., but Brown didn't tell her mother about the birth until 6 p.m. the following day. The mother then told her boyfriend when he returned from work around 8 p.m., but it wasn't until two hours later that the three went to New Island Hospital in Bethpage with the dead infant.

Defense attorney Marvin Zevin contended that Brown believed the child had died during childbirth. Brown claimed the umbilical cord was wrapped around the 5-pound, 8-ounce child's neck, but a medical examiner said there were no ligature marks on the baby's neck that would point to proof of strangulation.

Zevin promised an appeal of the verdict.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Copyright © 2003, Newsday, Inc.
kptoys Posted:

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I saw that on the news today. That woman gets everything she deserves. You KNOW when you are pregnant. Your clothes dont fit. you are peeing all the time and you have a stomach that just keeps getting bigger no matter how many crunches you do (which you shouldnt do when you are prego). She said the baby was stillborn then hid it under her bed... shes SICK!!!!

Keep her in jail!
natasha Posted:

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It's hard for me to believe that she didn't know. One would have to really out of tuned with their body not to know.

KarenG Posted:

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That's what i thought.

It makes me sick when I think of what she did. How horrible for that helpless little child!!!!!

Didn't they pass the 'don't ask' law that enables mom's to leave their newborns at hospitals or churches with no questions asked? Better to have given the baby away....

I realize she was probably panicked and perhaps I should find a way to have some compassion for her. But I can't find any....

Sigh.
jennbaby Posted:

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Thats horrible!

And those who so desparetly want kids can't have them sometimes.

This lady is pathetic!
JennRenee Posted:

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MAYBE it's possible to be pregnant and not know it, but even if that is true, I highly doubt that that was the case with this woman.
She is sick.
Olgaki Posted:

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I knew a lady who didn't know she was pregnant until her 6th month! She hadn't gained much weight (like 15 pounds) and thought she was going through menapause when it happened (she was 46). She goes to the dr. for her check-up and there you go - BABY ON THE WAY!

So it does happen - I don't know if it does into the 9th month, but it can definetley happen. Some women I guess just have an easier pregnancy than others. That is still no excuse for what that woman did to that baby
LisaW Posted:

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I also know someone that didn't know they were pg until 6 months. She was on the depo shot, so she thought there was no way.
She finally went to the dr b/c she was gaining so much weight, had a funny feeling in her belly and thought she had cysts on her ovaries or something.

Boy was she surprised!

2003OCT10 Posted:

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I didnt know until I was 12 weeks prego... but not knowing full term... Uck.. She had to have issues... People like that sicken me

Fran M Posted:

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I know someone who didnt know until her 5th month. She is a cancer survivor who was told that it was very unlikely that she would ever be PG.

She found out when she went for a full body scan. The tech was saying Mrs. X are you sure you are not PG and she kept saying no way. The Dr. was called in to look at the scan, she took a test and sure enough 4 months later a beautiful baby girl!
Shamee Posted:

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My cousin was almost six months along before she realized it because she kept getting her period and she was always heavy and had stomach pains/gastric track problems. Needless to say she was NOT happy. She was having bigtime problems with her husband and finances. She wasn't even sure she wanted the child but she was too far along to do anything about it. She had the baby and kept it and although she went through a rough divorce, she doesn't regret a second of her daughter's life. She says that was the only good thing he ever did for her.

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