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Debate of the Day- new Bankruptcy Law- Good or Bad?

Sassyz75 Posted:

Debate of the Day- new Bankruptcy Law- Good or Bad?

This is from the NYTimes... to me this is just further proof of the current administration being on the side of big business and not the middle class... The most telling proof is where the $$$ came to initiate this bill.... see below:

Supporters of the new law point to the rise of bankruptcy filings, from 200,000 in 1978 to 1.6 million last year, as evidence of abuses.

But critics of the measure say that the rise in such filings is not evidence of unfair filings. Rather, they say, it is symptomatic of broader economic problems - the growing distress in families plagued by high health care and education costs. A recent study by bankruptcy and medical experts at Harvard University found that more than half of the 1,771 personal bankruptcy filers in five federal courts cited medical bills as a primary reason they filed.

The critics - including consumer groups, Democrats and more than 100 bankruptcy law professors - say that the legislation's supporters have significantly exaggerated the problem with the current bankruptcy laws. They say the legislation will do far more damage than good by hitting middle-income families, women and the elderly who have used bankruptcy protection in growing numbers to protect themselves.

'This bankruptcy bill is mean-spirited and unfair,' said Senator Edward M. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts. 'In anything like its present form, it should and will be an embarrassment to anyone who votes for it. It's a bonanza for the credit card companies, which made $30 billion in profits last year, and a nightmare for the poorest of the poor and the weakest of the weak.'

In a letter to Congress two weeks ago, 104 bankruptcy law professors predicted that 'the deepest hardship' would 'be felt in the heartland,' where the filing rates are highest - Utah, Tennessee, Georgia, Nevada, Indiana, Alabama, Arkansas, Ohio, Mississippi and Idaho.

Critics also said the measure fails to do anything to curb abusive bankruptcy practices by wealthy families, who can create special trusts to shelter their assets, and by corrupt companies like Enron and WorldCom, which were able to find favorable bankruptcy courts and deprive many of their employees and retired employees of benefits. The Senate defeated a series of amendments proposed by Democrats that sought to address those issues.

'The bill has a real bias,' said Senator Charles E. Schumer, Democrat of New York, whose proposal to close a loophole that permits wealthy people to shelter assets through a special trust was defeated last week. 'It deals with abuses in bankruptcy by one group but not with another group.'

The lobbying money for the legislation, which has come close to passage several times in the eight years since it was introduced, has been lopsided.

The main lobbying forces for the bill - a coalition that included Visa, MasterCard, the American Bankers Association, MBNA America, Capital One, Citicorp, the Ford Motor Credit Company and the General Motors Acceptance Corporation - spent more than $40 million in political fund-raising efforts and many millions more on lobbying efforts since 1989, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, a nonpartisan organization that studies the role of money in the political process. By definition, the critics of the legislation had limited lobbying resources.
bxgell2 Posted:

Re: Debate of the Day- new Bankruptcy Law- Good or Bad?

I'm going to play the devil's advocate here - I'm an attorney, and while the bankruptcy attorney is out on sick leave, I've been taking over his cases, and OMG, the number of cases we get of individuals who are just looking for a way to just not pay their debts is ridiculous. Over, and OVER and OVER again most of our bankruptcy clients are people who lived WAY beyond their means. Example - one individual who made a middle class income decided to go out and buy a brand new volvo, a timeshare, a new house and racked up $30k in personal loans and credit card debt. I don't see why someone who is totally irresponsible with their finances and intentionally lives beyond their means, should have any excuse to just wipe those debts away without any accountability. I'm not familiar enough with the new bill to determine whether it truly protects those who really need bankruptcy protection (i.e. a family of 5 where a parent was laid off). If it DOES, then yes, I'm all for new bankruptcy laws that weed out those who just abuse the system.

Sassyz75 Posted:

Re: Debate of the Day- new Bankruptcy Law- Good or Bad?

I agree with you.
People DO support the system. But I think the research done shows that the majority of bankrupcys take place due to medical problems and like family emergencies... there should be a provision for that.
julz33 Posted:

Re: Debate of the Day- new Bankruptcy Law- Good or Bad?


Posted by bxgell2

I'm going to play the devil's advocate here - I'm an attorney, and while the bankruptcy attorney is out on sick leave, I've been taking over his cases, and OMG, the number of cases we get of individuals who are just looking for a way to just not pay their debts is ridiculous. Over, and OVER and OVER again most of our bankruptcy clients are people who lived WAY beyond their means. Example - one individual who made a middle class income decided to go out and buy a brand new volvo, a timeshare, a new house and racked up $30k in personal loans and credit card debt. I don't see why someone who is totally irresponsible with their finances and intentionally lives beyond their means, should have any excuse to just wipe those debts away without any accountability. I'm not familiar enough with the new bill to determine whether it truly protects those who really need bankruptcy protection (i.e. a family of 5 where a parent was laid off). If it DOES, then yes, I'm all for new bankruptcy laws that weed out those who just abuse the system.



I agree with this completely. My faher is one who planned a bankrupcy to screw my mother and me, my brother, and sister.
The courts seem to side with the person declaring bankrupcy, even when there is evidence it was planned and when the person is irresponsible with their finances. Even when there is proof this person LIED UNDER OATH during the bankrupcy hearing.
I have lost all faith in the court system at this point IMO the courts side with the bad guys. I think bankrupcy laws should be stricter. People should be held accountable for their own debts or mistakes. It should not effect innocent people the way it has done of my family, or through higher costs in general to recover losses caused by bankrupcys.

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