Anyone want to go see it with me on Friday? FH is working and he doesn't want to see it because he was at WTC on 9/11...
prncssrachel
Posted:
Member since
Re: Farenheit 911
I already saw it and I can tell you for your FH that it doesn't really deal with that day at all. I totally understand how he feels, but just so YOU know going into it, it starts out with images of people on the streets that day, but then that is the last they show or even talk about.
Xelindrya
Posted:
Member since
Re: Farenheit 911
Posted by 121502
I already saw it and I can tell you for your FH that it doesn't really deal with that day at all. I totally understand how he feels, but just so YOU know going into it, it starts out with images of people on the streets that day, but then that is the last they show or even talk about.
I had to watch that first hand. No way in hell or heaven I will EVER pay to experience that again. For anything.
Knowing I saw the last of someone's wife, husband, father, mother, aunt, uncle, brother, sister or friend die in a way like that will haunt me forever. I cringe to know someone made money off recreating or even reshowing that.
That's just horrible.
JMO
He used 9/11 in the title mostly to get people to go watch it. Sick part is, it works.
sweetadeline
Posted:
Member since
Re: Farenheit 911
Posted by Xelindrya
Posted by 121502
I already saw it and I can tell you for your FH that it doesn't really deal with that day at all. I totally understand how he feels, but just so YOU know going into it, it starts out with images of people on the streets that day, but then that is the last they show or even talk about.
I had to watch that first hand. No way in hell or heaven I will EVER pay to experience that again. For anything.
Knowing I saw the last of someone's wife, husband, father, mother, aunt, uncle, brother, sister or friend die in a way like that will haunt me forever. I cringe to know someone made money off recreating or even reshowing that.
That's just horrible.
JMO
He used 9/11 in the title mostly to get people to go watch it. Sick part is, it works.
When I saw the movie, I didn't want to watch the 9/11 footage at the beginning either, but it is, as 121502 noted, relatively brief. I don't agree with Xelindrya's last claim here, though. The movie is about 9/11 in many ways, even if there aren't many specific images of that day -- the 9/11 events are the 'springboard' for Moore's discussion, if you will. 9/11 is what instigates Moore's analysis of the Bush family's relationship with Saudi Arabia, the Patriot Act, and the war in Iraq. So, I can see why 9/11 is in the film's title.
september2004
Posted:
Member since
Re: Farenheit 911
Posted by sweetadeline When I saw the movie, I didn't want to watch the 9/11 footage at the beginning either, but it is, as 121502 noted, relatively brief. I don't agree with Xelindrya's last claim here, though. The movie is about 9/11 in many ways, even if there aren't many specific images of that day -- the 9/11 events are the 'springboard' for Moore's discussion, if you will. 9/11 is what instigates Moore's analysis of the Bush family's relationship with Saudi Arabia, the Patriot Act, and the war in Iraq. So, I can see why 9/11 is in the film's title.
i agree...
and i guess it needs to be called a 'documentary' because if not he would be completely discredited (not like he isn't already by some).
the 9/11 footage is brief and well done IMO. i balled throughout the entire movie, but i think it was important to see and remember.
the bigger point of the use of 9/11 is that we (the common folk) are once again mere little pawns in a rich and powerful man's world...
i encourage everyone to see it!
MRSJLK
Posted:
Member since
Re: Farenheit 911
Posted by september2004
Posted by sweetadeline When I saw the movie, I didn't want to watch the 9/11 footage at the beginning either, but it is, as 121502 noted, relatively brief. I don't agree with Xelindrya's last claim here, though. The movie is about 9/11 in many ways, even if there aren't many specific images of that day -- the 9/11 events are the 'springboard' for Moore's discussion, if you will. 9/11 is what instigates Moore's analysis of the Bush family's relationship with Saudi Arabia, the Patriot Act, and the war in Iraq. So, I can see why 9/11 is in the film's title.
i agree...
and i guess it needs to be called a 'documentary' because if not he would be completely discredited (not like he isn't already by some).
the 9/11 footage is brief and well done IMO. i balled throughout the entire movie, but i think it was important to see and remember.
the bigger point of the use of 9/11 is that we (the common folk) are once again mere little pawns in a rich and powerful man's world...
i encourage everyone to see it!
Yes I agree also!!!!
prncssrachel
Posted:
Member since
Re: Farenheit 911
Posted by Xelindrya
Posted by 121502
I already saw it and I can tell you for your FH that it doesn't really deal with that day at all. I totally understand how he feels, but just so YOU know going into it, it starts out with images of people on the streets that day, but then that is the last they show or even talk about.
I had to watch that first hand. No way in hell or heaven I will EVER pay to experience that again. For anything.
Knowing I saw the last of someone's wife, husband, father, mother, aunt, uncle, brother, sister or friend die in a way like that will haunt me forever. I cringe to know someone made money off recreating or even reshowing that.
That's just horrible.
JMO
He used 9/11 in the title mostly to get people to go watch it. Sick part is, it works.
You know what, as sorry as I am that you had to go through that first hand, I was just telling her how it was so that SHE knew. I guess it was only a matter of time, it figures
eogara
Posted:
Member since
Re: Farenheit 911
Posted by september2004 the bigger point of the use of 9/11 is that we (the common folk) are once again mere little pawns in a rich and powerful man's world...
I haven't seen it yet (plan to) but can you explain how September 11th is that we are pawns in a rich man's world? I'm assuming this is the 'leap' he's asking people to make but I want to see for sure.
september2004
Posted:
Member since
Re: Farenheit 911
Posted by eogara
Posted by september2004 the bigger point of the use of 9/11 is that we (the common folk) are once again mere little pawns in a rich and powerful man's world...
I haven't seen it yet (plan to) but can you explain how September 11th is that we are pawns in a rich man's world? I'm assuming this is the 'leap' he's asking people to make but I want to see for sure.
politicians, big business, the media are all in bed together and no one has a way of knowing the 'real truth'. once these connections are exposed it makes one think about the true motivations for those in power. the war was not about terrorism. the people who flew those planes into the buildings are awful human beings, but desperate just like so many others in this world. if the disparity between the rich and poor was less all around, i think the world would be a much better place.
just see the movie, it may or may not influence your beliefs. it was nothing i didn't already know, but has created a buzz for people who usually don't even think twice, and i am happy for that
divabride
Posted:
Member since
Re: Farenheit 911
Holy crap!! I just saw the movie last night, and I am P!SSED!!!! I understand that the movie is based on one man's opinion, but there are specific facts that have nothing to do with anyone's opinion - its the truth. I dont want to give away the movie but it really upsets me that everyones flights were grounded, but a few authorized flights were allowed to fly. That just blew me away. Sorry about the vent, the movie is still too fresh in my mind.
eogara
Posted:
Member since
Re: Farenheit 911
Posted by september2004
the people who flew those planes into the buildings are awful human beings, but desperate just like so many others in this world. if the disparity between the rich and poor was less all around, i think the world would be a much better place.
Do you really believe that the terrorist attacks were about rich v. poor? Read their doctrination - they hate us for reasons MUCH deeper than that!!
I will definitely see it. I enjoy Moore's movies because he's so in your face you can't help but contemplate your opinion. 99% of the time I come out with the same one but if anything it makes me stronger in them because I've really examined them. I thnk that's the most important aspect of life - question everything! - and unfortunately it doesn't happen nearly often enough. But, you must question all sides and then make your opinion. My biggest issue is people who see or hear one thing and base their entire opinion and political outlook on it.
On an aside, Roger & Me was still his best movie by far IMO. Sometimes his obnoxiousness gets in the way of his points and I think that's what happened in Bowling for Columbine (for those who saw it). Curious to see if this happens again in this one.
september2004
Posted:
Member since
Re: Farenheit 911
Posted by eogara
Do you really believe that the terrorist attacks were about rich v. poor? Read their doctrination - they hate us for reasons MUCH deeper than that!!
i think it is a huge part of the problem. and who are 'they'? the terrorists or the arab world - this is important to state when discussing as many lump all sort of people together and IMO make too broad of general assumptions...
there is one part in the movie that made my FH piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiised. it's the scene by the white house with the one woman camped out front, and the other walking by. the two 'poor people' were commiserating while a third ignorant, insensitive person comes by and starts shooting her mouth off in a stupid but all too common manner...
ETA: whether or not it was 'staged' is irrelevent...
Betty
Posted:
Member since
Re: Farenheit 911
My favorite part was when Moore was asking the Senators(I believe) if they had kids and gave them a form to sign their kids up for the war. The looks on their faces He should have given it to BUSH!!!
eogara
Posted:
Member since
Re: Farenheit 911
Posted by september2004
i think it is a huge part of the problem. and who are 'they'? the terrorists or the arab world - this is important to state when discussing as many lump all sort of people together and IMO make too broad of general assumptions...
there is one part in the movie that made my FH piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiised. it's the scene by the white house with the one woman camped out front, and the other walking by. the two 'poor people' were commiserating while a third ignorant, insensitive person comes by and starts shooting her mouth off in a stupid but all too common manner...
ETA: whether or not it was 'staged' is irrelevent...
I think that my meaning of 'they' as terrorists was apparent by my question right before it. Since I don't believe that I have once come across as a moron, it's a little annoying to be assumed one by your question.
And, I disagree - I think if it was staged then it is totally relevant. If it's that common he should have had no problem shooting the scene in its natural capacity.
Also, with respect to the 'asking the senators to sign their sons up for war', no one signs anyone's son up for war. Those who join the armed forces are adults who make their own decisions, knowing the potential consequences. It bothers me so much when people say things like this - it totally underestimates the intelligence of the service men and women. There's no draft on right now, there's not one person over there that is not there by a somewhat voluntary means.
september2004
Posted:
Member since
Re: Farenheit 911
Posted by eogara I think that my meaning of 'they' as terrorists was apparent by my question right before it. Since I don't believe that I have once come across as a moron, it's a little annoying to be assumed one by your question.
read what i wrote. i said many people do, it was not aimed at you so chill...
And, I disagree - I think if it was staged then it is totally relevant. If it's that common he should have had no problem shooting the scene in its natural capacity..
see the movie first. the 'staged' comment was made by the ignorant woman IN the movie about the scene MM was shooting. those who have seen the movie know what i am talking about, i don't want to ruin it for others...
Also, with respect to the 'asking the senators to sign their sons up for war', no one signs anyone's son up for war. Those who join the armed forces are adults who make their own decisions, knowing the potential consequences. It bothers me so much when people say things like this - it totally underestimates the intelligence of the service men and women. There's no draft on right now, there's not one person over there that is not there by a somewhat voluntary means.
no duh... but compare their reactions to those made by the parents of the poor people who sign up to serve everyday with pride for their country. and 'voluntary' is a relative term, some people have 'no choice' due to lack of opportunity, education and connections...
eogara
Posted:
Member since
Re: Farenheit 911
I did reread your post and it still doesn't come across the way you meant it.
While you may not agree, by and large, the people who join the armed services do it because there is a tremendous amount of pride involved in serving one's country. It's pretty arrogant to state that people do it because they have nothing else to do. That demeans the whole service!!
Do your parents agree with every decision you make about your life and your career? It's entirely possible you'd get the same reaction from them about your career as the reaction you're referring to when their child chooses to join the armed forces. My mother freaked out when my brother decided to become a cop (after he had been in the army for 2 years) but that doesn't mean it's a bad decision or it's something he had to do because he was less off than other people.
I think everyone is perfectly entitled to their own opinion...it's when an opinion is pushed on me and assumptions are made that I find it obnoxious.
eogara
Posted:
Member since
Re: Farenheit 911
Posted by september2004
And, I disagree - I think if it was staged then it is totally relevant. If it's that common he should have had no problem shooting the scene in its natural capacity..
see the movie first. the 'staged' comment was made by the ignorant woman IN the movie about the scene MM was shooting. those who have seen the movie know what i am talking about, i don't want to ruin it for others...
QUOTE]
I apologize - I didn't see the movie and I misunderstood your explanation. I shouldn't have touched this point without having seen it.
september2004
Posted:
Member since
Re: Farenheit 911
Posted by eogara
I did reread your post and it still doesn't come across the way you meant it.
While you may not agree, by and large, the people who join the armed services do it because there is a tremendous amount of pride involved in serving one's country. It's pretty arrogant to state that people do it because they have nothing else to do. That demeans the whole service!!
so call me arrogant, i'll get over it...
yes i do not agree and it took a while for FH to actually see my point. he felt the same way you feel because he has a personal connection as well. it does demean the whole service and it's the rich and powerful who make sure it stays this way. what percentage of people in the military are from the upper class and why is this?
eogara
Posted:
Member since
Re: Farenheit 911
It's largely a 'family' business and since it's not the highest paying profession, those families are not upper class. Thus, not an enormous upper class in the armed forces. Joining does afford many opportunities to 'poor' people but why this is a bad thing, I'm not certain.
Just because your FH has 'personal connections' doesn't mean I do and I resent the implication. I grew up the youngest of five in a single parent family where my mom made a grand total of $13K/year. I made my own opportunities as did my mother. She continued to work hard and is doing way better now. I worked hard in school, got scholarships and took out loans to go to college. Tell me again about underpriviledged people who have no opportunities??
september2004
Posted:
Member since
Re: Farenheit 911
Posted by eogara
It's largely a 'family' business and since it's not the highest paying profession, those families are not upper class. Thus, not an enormous upper class in the armed forces. Joining does afford many opportunities to 'poor' people but why this is a bad thing, I'm not certain.
yes, it's not a bad thing if it is not abused. people sign up to serve honorably, not to be taken to war under false pretenses and then killed...
Just because your FH has 'personal connections' doesn't mean I do and I resent the implication. I grew up the youngest of five in a single parent family where my mom made a grand total of $13K/year. I made my own opportunities as did my mother. She continued to work hard and is doing way better now. I worked hard in school, got scholarships and took out loans to go to college. Tell me again about underpriviledged people who have no opportunities??
you stated your brother decided to become a cop, wasn't that supposed to be a supportive argument in the case you were making?
my parents came to the states with not a pot to pee in. they worked menial jobs and paid their own way through school and provided a better life for their children - the american dream. unfortunately i think times have changed as this is a different day and age.
