How religious are you?

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Posted by Goldi1021
Trust me, I work in Crown Heights and they are waiting for him.

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sooo innappropriate of me, but this had me LMAO!!!!!!!!

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Posted by Goldi1021

Actually Jews believe in a Messiah but that their messiah hasn't come yet. Though the Lubavitchers feel that Rebbe Menachem Schneerson is the embodiment of the Messiah and will come. Trust me, I work in Crown Heights and they are waiting for him.

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I spent college going to Chabad services..I have images of the Rebbe looking down on me!

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Posted by lilmrs

See there are just too many differences I dont see how you can be religious in both.

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You can't. You can be OBSERVANT in both. Observing customs. My brother's wife is Catholic and she participates in Jewish customs. She does not go to Temple and pray. BIG difference.

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Posted by Goldi1021

Actually Jews believe in a Messiah but that their messiah hasn't come yet. Though the Lubavitchers feel that Rebbe Menachem Schneerson is the embodiment of the Messiah and will come. Trust me, I work in Crown Heights and they are waiting for him.

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That's my point though, as a product of both it's too confusing!! And you cannot be both!

Unless you join Jew for Jesus!

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Posted by Jax430

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Posted by Goldi1021

Actually Jews believe in a Messiah but that their messiah hasn't come yet. Though the Lubavitchers feel that Rebbe Menachem Schneerson is the embodiment of the Messiah and will come. Trust me, I work in Crown Heights and they are waiting for him.

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I spent college going to Chabad services..I have images of the Rebbe looking down on me!

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Chabad tried to recruit me. I said no thanks.

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Posted by nov04LIbride

We are not religious at all. Never went to church in the 5 years we've known each other. I did not know he was catholic until we got engaged and his grandmother asked if the ceremony would be lutheran (an incredibly random question since she is lutheran but neither DH or I are, so I am not sure if she knows he is catholic...his two cousins are jewish and she thinks they are lutheran too).

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Oh Nana . I think she's aware that we're not Lutheran, but refuses to admit it. Not like it really matters, since we never go to church anyway.

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Posted by swags1016

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Posted by Goldi1021

Actually Jews believe in a Messiah but that their messiah hasn't come yet. Though the Lubavitchers feel that Rebbe Menachem Schneerson is the embodiment of the Messiah and will come. Trust me, I work in Crown Heights and they are waiting for him.

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That's my point though, as a product of both it's too confusing!! And you cannot be both!

Unless you join Jew for Jesus!

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I agree with you. I don't think you can be both. My brother's child (second marriage)was baptized Episcopalian. His daughters from his first marriage are Jewish as his ex wife is Jewish. You cannot be half Jewish. IMO. Jews for Jesus confuse me.

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Posted by Goldi1021

Jews for Jesus confuse me.

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Of course it does - it's an oxymoron!!! Last time I checked, being 'for Jesus' = Christian.
If there are any Jews for Jesus on here, please feel free to explain to me!

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Posted by Jax430

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Posted by Goldi1021

Jews for Jesus confuse me.

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Of course it does - it's an oxymoron!!! Last time I checked, being 'for Jesus' = Christian.
If there are any Jews for Jesus on here, please feel free to explain to me!

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I tell them I AM A KOHEYN leave me alone!!!

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Posted by Goldi1021

I think people confuse 'religious' and 'observant'. I do not consider myself religious, but I do consider myself observant in the Jewish faith. I also think that I will become increasingly observant as my family begins. I think children who grow up with some form of religion in their lives, tend to fare better than those who don't. IMO, religion provides a basic framework and structure to living a good life. Children need structure.

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Just a thought but, many of the world's worst criminals (Hitler, Koresh, Manson, Jim Jones, Applegate)have used religion as a form of power. I don't believe that religion is what caused this, but I also know that you can lack religion in your childhood and still have structure. I think I turned out to be a pretty good person without it.

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Posted by Goldi1021

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Posted by swags1016

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Posted by Goldi1021

Actually Jews believe in a Messiah but that their messiah hasn't come yet. Though the Lubavitchers feel that Rebbe Menachem Schneerson is the embodiment of the Messiah and will come. Trust me, I work in Crown Heights and they are waiting for him.

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That's my point though, as a product of both it's too confusing!! And you cannot be both!

Unless you join Jew for Jesus!

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I agree with you. I don't think you can be both. My brother's child (second marriage)was baptized Episcopalian. His daughters from his first marriage are Jewish as his ex wife is Jewish. You cannot be half Jewish. IMO. Jews for Jesus confuse me.

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Just realized we all agree!

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Posted by marymoon

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Posted by lilmrs

I think it would depend on which two religions...that might not make too much sense but I think if we are talking about two religions with differnt views of who or what is god or the ultimate being or whatever then I think there is too much of a conflict to be religious.
Let me add again *I think*

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I just don't understand why you threw that in..when asiking if you're religious...if you're not of 2 faiths, I'm confused why you would bring that up.

Some people see it in black and white, you're one thing or another..but to me god is god, and for example, 'the big three' judaism, chirstianity and islam, have so much similarity and came from the same roots..so it's really not that different.

For example, Christians and Muslims at one point in history were all jews...some of the jewish traditions stayed while others fell by the wayside...I'm a christian reclaiming what i feel is my jewish heritage. To look at it another way, we are supposed to emulate jesus, and jesus was jewish.

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I went to catholic school, and I have to disagree with your last statement. I was never taught that.

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Posted by OSCARtheGROOM

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Posted by marymoon

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Posted by lilmrs

I think it would depend on which two religions...that might not make too much sense but I think if we are talking about two religions with differnt views of who or what is god or the ultimate being or whatever then I think there is too much of a conflict to be religious.
Let me add again *I think*

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I just don't understand why you threw that in..when asiking if you're religious...if you're not of 2 faiths, I'm confused why you would bring that up.

Some people see it in black and white, you're one thing or another..but to me god is god, and for example, 'the big three' judaism, chirstianity and islam, have so much similarity and came from the same roots..so it's really not that different.

For example, Christians and Muslims at one point in history were all jews...some of the jewish traditions stayed while others fell by the wayside...I'm a christian reclaiming what i feel is my jewish heritage. To look at it another way, we are supposed to emulate jesus, and jesus was jewish.

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I went to catholic school, and I have to disagree with your last statement. I was never taught that.

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Me either

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Posted by lilmrs

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Posted by OSCARtheGROOM

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Posted by marymoon

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Posted by lilmrs

I think it would depend on which two religions...that might not make too much sense but I think if we are talking about two religions with differnt views of who or what is god or the ultimate being or whatever then I think there is too much of a conflict to be religious.
Let me add again *I think*

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I just don't understand why you threw that in..when asiking if you're religious...if you're not of 2 faiths, I'm confused why you would bring that up.

Some people see it in black and white, you're one thing or another..but to me god is god, and for example, 'the big three' judaism, chirstianity and islam, have so much similarity and came from the same roots..so it's really not that different.

For example, Christians and Muslims at one point in history were all jews...some of the jewish traditions stayed while others fell by the wayside...I'm a christian reclaiming what i feel is my jewish heritage. To look at it another way, we are supposed to emulate jesus, and jesus was jewish.

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I went to catholic school, and I have to disagree with your last statement. I was never taught that.

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Me either

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You don't agree that Jesus was a Jew?

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Posted by heidla

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Posted by lilmrs

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Posted by OSCARtheGROOM

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Posted by marymoon

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Posted by lilmrs

I think it would depend on which two religions...that might not make too much sense but I think if we are talking about two religions with differnt views of who or what is god or the ultimate being or whatever then I think there is too much of a conflict to be religious.
Let me add again *I think*

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I just don't understand why you threw that in..when asiking if you're religious...if you're not of 2 faiths, I'm confused why you would bring that up.

Some people see it in black and white, you're one thing or another..but to me god is god, and for example, 'the big three' judaism, chirstianity and islam, have so much similarity and came from the same roots..so it's really not that different.

For example, Christians and Muslims at one point in history were all jews...some of the jewish traditions stayed while others fell by the wayside...I'm a christian reclaiming what i feel is my jewish heritage. To look at it another way, we are supposed to emulate jesus, and jesus was jewish.

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I went to catholic school, and I have to disagree with your last statement. I was never taught that.

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Me either

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You don't agree that Jesus was a Jew?

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I said the last statement. Not half of it. Yes I do believe Jesus was jew.

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Posted by heidla

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Posted by Goldi1021

I think people confuse 'religious' and 'observant'. I do not consider myself religious, but I do consider myself observant in the Jewish faith. I also think that I will become increasingly observant as my family begins. I think children who grow up with some form of religion in their lives, tend to fare better than those who don't. IMO, religion provides a basic framework and structure to living a good life. Children need structure.

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Just a thought but, many of the world's worst criminals (Hitler, Koresh, Manson, Jim Jones, Applegate)have used religion as a form of power. I don't believe that religion is what caused this, but I also know that you can lack religion in your childhood and still have structure. I think I turned out to be a pretty good person without it.

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I am sure you are a terrific person. It was simply an opinion.

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Posted by OSCARtheGROOM


You don't agree that Jesus was a Jew?

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I said the last statement. Not half of it. Yes I do believe Jesus was jew.

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I think that Marymoon's point is that (and I'm guessing here) in Christianity we are taught to follow in the path of Jesus. By Jesus being a Jew it seems as if both religion have a crossing of paths and she is trying to investigate that further.

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Posted by heidla

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Posted by OSCARtheGROOM


You don't agree that Jesus was a Jew?

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I said the last statement. Not half of it. Yes I do believe Jesus was jew.

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I think that Marymoon's point is that (and I'm guessing here) in Christianity we are taught to follow in the path of Jesus. By Jesus being a Jew it seems as if both religion have a crossing of paths and she is trying to investigate that further.

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That makes sense.

Jews for Jesus are a whole different story. I don't quite understand them. But that's actually a sect that I haven't studied, so I really don't know much about them, but fomr what little pamphlets and stuff I've read, it didn't resonate with me, even though I fall into that middle ground many say doens't exist.

To me it's simple, and of course you're free to disagree, but this is how I see it. I explained earlier that I believe god has many facets and all religions are equally valid. I identify myself as a catholic. I absolutely believe in Jesus.

What I also believe is that Jesus was not attempting to found a new religion, but t reform the old one. I actualy wrote an entire paper once about why Jesus was NOT a subversive. I know there is the argument that the new covenant supercedes the old, but I don't believe this applies 100%, and neither does the christian establishment, for that matter because we still use MUCH of the old testament.

I believe that a lot of the changes and the rifts as judaism and christianity split were made for political reasons and not all of them should have been made. Jesus is a model for christians, and one of the things he did was to be a good Jew. On his last night on this ert, jesus participated in a seder. I don't understand why we wouldn't have all of the old testament holidays and customs, etc.

I also believe, and this is where I differ form most people, but I believe that we're all waiting for the same thing. Jesus will come again in some form, and THAT will also be the time the Jewish people will recognize him as the messiah, and the prophecies will be fulfilled. To put it really simply, partially because I don't have truly profound understanding of this, there are two sides of the jewish messiah, the suffering servant, or paschal lamb like jesus' first coming, and the more vengeful powerful image that I believe will be part of the second coming. God doens't go by our timeline, and no one REALLY knows. But that's just my feeling. I believe when the messiah comes (or comes again...) we'll all be united.

Anyway, you can think I'm some huge freako...but that's what I believe.

And as far as going to temple and 'really praying' I absolutely do completely immerse myself in worship at both catholic and jewish services.

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Posted by heidla

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Posted by OSCARtheGROOM


You don't agree that Jesus was a Jew?

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I said the last statement. Not half of it. Yes I do believe Jesus was jew.

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I think that Marymoon's point is that (and I'm guessing here) in Christianity we are taught to follow in the path of Jesus. By Jesus being a Jew it seems as if both religion have a crossing of paths and she is trying to investigate that further.

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Exactly. I'm not saying if you're christian and you dontinvestiagte jesus' judaism you're doing something wrong...but I believe it is one of a number of valid ways to be a follower of jesus