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Im probably going to regret doing this: But here are Bush's words exactly as said.

Xelindrya Posted:

Im probably going to regret doing this: But here are Bush's words exactly as said.

BUSH: Good morning.

Eight years ago, Congress passed, and President Clinton signed, the Defense of Marriage Act, which defined marriage for purposes of federal law as the legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife.

The act passed the House of Representatives by a vote of 342-67 and the Senate by a vote of 85-14.

Those congressional votes, and the passage of similar defense of marriage laws in 38 states, express an overwhelming consensus in our country for protecting the institution of marriage.

In recent months, however, some activist judges and local officials have made an aggressive attempt to redefine marriage. In Massachusetts, four judges on the highest court have indicated they will order the issuance of marriage licenses to applicants of the same gender in May of this year.

In San Francisco, city officials have issued thousands of marriage licenses to people of the same gender, contrary to the California Family Code. That code, which clearly defines marriage as the union of a man and a woman, was approved overwhelmingly by the voters of California.

A county in New Mexico has also issued marriage licenses to applicants of the same gender.

And unless action is taken, we can expect more arbitrary court decisions, more litigation, more defiance of the law by local officials, all of which adds to uncertainty.

After more than two centuries of American jurisprudence and millennia of human experience, a few judges and local authorities are presuming to change the most fundamental institution of civilization.

Their actions have created confusion on an issue that requires clarity. On a matter of such importance, the voice of the people must be heard. Activist courts have left the people with one recourse.

If we're to prevent the meaning of marriage from being changed forever, our nation must enact a constitutional amendment to protect marriage in America. Decisive and democratic action is needed because attempts to redefine marriage in a single state or city could have serious consequences throughout the country.

The Constitution says that 'full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts and records and judicial proceedings of every other state.'

Those who want to change the meaning of marriage will claim that this provision requires all states and cities to recognize same-sex marriages performed anywhere in America.

Congress attempted to address this problem in the Defense of Marriage Act by declaring that no state must accept another state's definition of marriage. My administration will vigorously defend this act of Congress.

Yet there is no assurance that the Defense of Marriage Act will not itself be struck down by activist courts. In that event, every state would be forced to recognize any relationship that judges in Boston or officials in San Francisco choose to call a marriage.

Furthermore, even if the Defense of Marriage Act is upheld, the law does not protect marriage within any state or city.

For all these reasons, the defense of marriage requires a constitutional amendment.

An amendment to the Constitution is never to be undertaken lightly. The amendment process has addressed many serious matters of national concern, and the preservation of marriage rises to this level of national importance.

The union of a man and woman is the most enduring human institution, honored and encouraged in all cultures and by every religious faith. Ages of experience have taught humanity that the commitment of a husband and wife to love and to serve one another promotes the welfare of children and the stability of society.

Marriage cannot be severed from its cultural, religious and natural roots without weakening the good influence of society.

Government, by recognizing and protecting marriage, serves the interests of all.

Today, I call upon the Congress to promptly pass and to send to the states for ratification an amendment to our Constitution defining and protecting marriage as a union of a man and woman as husband and wife.

The amendment should fully protect marriage, while leaving the state legislatures free to make their own choices in defining legal arrangements other than marriage.

America's a free society which limits the role of government in the lives of our citizens. This commitment of freedom, however, does not require the redefinition of one of our most basic social institutions.

Our government should respect every person and protect the institution of marriage. There is no contradiction between these responsibilities.

We should also conduct this difficult debate in a matter worthy of our country, without bitterness or anger.

In all that lies ahead, let us match strong convictions with kindness and good will and decency.

Thank you very much.
kel2004 Posted:

Re: Im probably going to regret doing this: But here are Bush's words exactly as said.

Thanks for posting. I love how the CNN story conveniently left out the part about Clinton signing the Defense of Marriage Act, and the part about Congress overwhelmingly approving it. Typical liberal media...

Xelindrya Posted:

Re: Im probably going to regret doing this: But here are Bush's words exactly as said.

I dont see him saying he wants to Ban same sex marriages. I do see him further defining a admendement that Clinton originally started.

I believe any two people who love eachother should do what they want. Marriage is still very closely tied to religious and other cultural ties. It doesnt mean that those who are errr... 'anti-gay' (is that the nice way of saying homophobs?) and their marriages 'mean' more because it's man and woman. It shouldnt mean that man and man or woman and woman mean less.

I fear that if the way things are going continue, they'll be hateful things such as 'well my marriage is 'real' yours is fake'. It's bad enough as it is. Some states have Common Law Marriage and 'Partner' status.

I posted this transription only so that his actual words can be debated not what is just random opinions about the subject.

He points out that the American people should decide and I agree. It's one of those 'If youre against it, dont vote for it'.

yah yeah yah.. im republican.. sue me. Just figured if you're gonna rip him.. go ahead and use the words he actually said.

*shrug*





Let the mayhem begin.....

Xelindrya Posted:

Re: Im probably going to regret doing this: But here are Bush's words exactly as said.


Posted by kel2004

Thanks for posting. I love how the CNN story conveniently left out the part about Clinton signing the Defense of Marriage Act, and the part about Congress overwhelmingly approving it. Typical liberal media...




I got this from CNN!!!
haha
Lisa Rose Posted:

Re: Im probably going to regret doing this: But here are Bush's words exactly as said.

Eight years ago, Congress passed, and President Clinton signed, the Defense of Marriage Act, which defined marriage for purposes of federal law as the legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife.

Interesting that Clinton signed this but now Bush is getting the rap for it. I do not remember gays/lesbians having an issue with this (but I might not be aware of it) when this was signed.

I totally agree that people should be able to marry no matter what their gender is.
kel2004 Posted:

Re: Im probably going to regret doing this: But here are Bush's words exactly as said.


Posted by Xelindrya


Posted by kel2004

Thanks for posting. I love how the CNN story conveniently left out the part about Clinton signing the Defense of Marriage Act, and the part about Congress overwhelmingly approving it. Typical liberal media...




I got this from CNN!!!
haha



Oh, really? Well, that's good then. I was referring to a quote in another thread that had a CNN story, and it wasn't his whole speech word for word.
Xelindrya Posted:

Re: Im probably going to regret doing this: But here are Bush's words exactly as said.


Posted by kel2004

Oh, really? Well, that's good then. I was referring to a quote in another thread that had a CNN story, and it wasn't his whole speech word for word.



Selective quoting?
heh
yabbobay Posted:

Re: Im probably going to regret doing this: But here are Bush's words exactly as said.

Clinton didn't support an AMENDMENT...he signed a federal act....



legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife


I wonder if this is the exact wording...do we have a definition of husband and wife?

can a 'butch' lesbian be considered a husband
can a 'effeminate' gay man be the wife?

you see - its all about interpretation...the JUDGES job!!!!
butterfly20 Posted:

Re: Im probably going to regret doing this: But here are Bush's words exactly as said.

ok.. dont shoot me here....(just a rambling thought, and i could be wrong)

so a man and a women have certain parts, they fit into each other, and a marraige can be see like the two of them coming together...

2 women dont fit into each other, yet they still have the ability to love and such....

being that a marraige has always been a man and a women, couldnt they preserve that sactity(for a little while at least) and call a lesbian or gay marraige a 'union'...

also i could be wrong but arent gay people suppose to be more likely to get aids? so how would that affect insurance if they get married, do we all have to pay higher premiums because of it? thats why i think a 'union' might make sense...
Shamee Posted:

Re: Im probably going to regret doing this: But here are Bush's words exactly as said.

Thanks for bringing this to light X...

I'm not seeing the outpouring of uniformed commentaries kick in yet, but hey it's late right?
smilealways Posted:

Re: Im probably going to regret doing this: But here are Bush's words exactly as said.


Posted by butterfly20

ok.. dont shoot me here....(just a rambling thought, and i could be wrong)

[...]

also i could be wrong but arent gay people suppose to be more likely to get aids? so how would that affect insurance if they get married, do we all have to pay higher premiums because of it? thats why i think a 'union' might make sense...



IMO A gay marriage is like that of any couple getting married - the union of two people who love each other, and want to be faithful and committed to each other. Same-sex marriages does not propose any more of an AIDS problem than any other marriage. If they are faithful to each other, neither one would contract AIDS if they are both free of the disease. Also, if they are faithful to each other, they wouldn't spread it to anyone aside from each other (should one or both be infected), but they would go into that union knowing the consequences. Therefore, it shouldn't affect insurance prices.
butterfly20 Posted:

Re: Im probably going to regret doing this: But here are Bush's words exactly as said.

the reason i think why i say aids...

guys have anal sex right? in anal sex the butt tisssue can break open, and become infected from the other person... id imagine more gay couples have anal sex than heterosexual couples...

edited to add from avert.com website..:

Yes. In the UK, the USA and a number of other European countries HIV and AIDS have always affected young gay men more than any other group of people. In the UK and USA especially, the percentage of young gay men infected with HIV and the percentage with AIDS is much higher than that among other groups such as heterosexual people or children.

smilealways Posted:

Re: Im probably going to regret doing this: But here are Bush's words exactly as said.

Yes, I understand the logistics/sex ed of it, but if they're honoring the sanctity of marriage, which is something they are fighting for the right to have, there would not be an increase in the AIDS rate. In fact, there might be a decrease as they are legally recognized as couples.

ETA: Yes, but you are talking about a population of people who are most likely either 1) being promiscuous or 2) not practicing safe sex. No one's arguing that gay men are more likely to contract AIDS than any other population because of the 'logictics', but if they are married and being faithful to each other, they aren't contracting it from anyone or spreading it to anyone.
butterfly20 Posted:

Re: Im probably going to regret doing this: But here are Bush's words exactly as said.

nooo, im not implying that marraige equals aids
.... what i mean is, when you get married you can have health insurance under your spouses coverage,
gay people have a higher statistic contracting aids if they are able to get married and have aids,then they will be able to use their spouses insurance... wouldnt that then increase insurance rates, due to the higher cost to the insurance company to cover those extra people?
smilealways Posted:

Re: Im probably going to regret doing this: But here are Bush's words exactly as said.

Oh, ok. I see what you're saying now. Often times people with AIDS already have insurance, whether it be through their jobs, through companies that already offer domestic partner insurance, or through disability, and while there may be some increase, I agree with what the other posts have said, spread out over the population, it probably wouldn't be a very significant amount, AND the issue is not about having to spend a little more money, but the rights of people who are being oppressed and denied their rights.

reallybehind! Posted:

Re: Im probably going to regret doing this: But here are Bush's words exactly as said.

are you serious? this is what you're worried about? all i can say is

this is what is should be about:

'the rights of people who are being oppressed and denied their rights.'
Maribelle7777 Posted:

Re: Im probably going to regret doing this: But here are Bush's words exactly as said.


Posted by butterfly20

ok.. dont shoot me here....(just a rambling thought, and i could be wrong)

so a man and a women have certain parts, they fit into each other, and a marraige can be see like the two of them coming together...

2 women dont fit into each other, yet they still have the ability to love and such....

being that a marraige has always been a man and a women, couldnt they preserve that sactity(for a little while at least) and call a lesbian or gay marraige a 'union'...

also i could be wrong but arent gay people suppose to be more likely to get aids? so how would that affect insurance if they get married, do we all have to pay higher premiums because of it? thats why i think a 'union' might make sense...



I have to say I've never ever heard of marriage described or defined the way you have!

As for AIDS, no they are not more likely to get it than a heterosexual couple. Maybe for a few years in the 80's but not now. And you cannot say 'we are banning gay marriages because ins. companies are worried that gays who develop AIDS will want to get their spouses covered under insurance'.

Then again who knows, maybe the insurance companies are lobbying for this amendment.
Jordan Posted:

Re: Im probably going to regret doing this: But here are Bush's words exactly as said.


Posted by reallybehind!

are you serious? this is what you're worried about? all i can say is

this is what is should be about:

'the rights of people who are being oppressed and denied their rights.'

Damn right - well said!
palebride Posted:

Re: Im probably going to regret doing this: But here are Bush's words exactly as said.

i think the last i heard was that minroty women were the most likey to get AIDS these days.....not sure if that's still the truth.....
although in the 80's gay men were the biggest percentage! my uncle included
Jordan Posted:

Re: Im probably going to regret doing this: But here are Bush's words exactly as said.

The Defense of Marriage Act...




The first substantive section of the bill is an exercise of Congress'
power under the 'Effect' clause of Article IV, section 1 of the
Constitution (the Full Faith and Credit Clause) to allow each State (or
other political jurisdiction) to decide for itself whether it wants to
grant legal status to same-sex 'marriage.'


'No State, territory, or possession of the United States, or Indian tribe, shall be required to give effect to any public act, record, or judicial proceeding of any other State, territory, possession, or tribe respecting a relationship between persons of the same sex that is treated as a marriage under the laws of such other State, territory, possession, or tribe, or a right or claim arising from such relationship.'.



What was Dubya saying about those rogue judges wanting to decide for themselves what defines marriage?


The measure would not bar states from legalizing gay marriages within their borders, but states would not be obligated to recognize such marriages performed in another state. The bill was introduced by conservatives alarmed over a gay rights court case -- scheduled to go to trial Tuesday -- that could lead to Hawaii becoming the first state to legalize same-sex marriage.


For all these reasons a constitutional ammendment needs to be made??? He's off his proverbial rocker! He can't 'win' at anything else, he might as well attack a minority group.

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