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NWR: Looking at houses...

MrsMagoo Posted:

NWR: Looking at houses...

Girls...

This is going to sound funny....but FH is wanting to go look at a house, and it has a barn, YES a barn on the property. he wanted to gut it and make it into a bar/entertaining area with a loft if anyone wanted to crash there. My question if anyone could help...HOW BIG IS A 10 STABLE BARN???
Kara and Todd Posted:

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I have 2 horses and board them in someone's backyard, so I'm familiar.

A 10 stall barn is pretty big, actually. A stall should be at a minimum 10' x 10' (hopefully more like 12' x 12'.

You really need to go look at it b/c barns all have different layouts and are all built differently. It's possible that it has a complete concrete floor throughout the entire barn, but that is very unlikely. Most likely (if it was built to be a nice barn), the stall floors do not have concrete in them. They are either left as dirt or packed with clay. Some people lay rubber mats down over the dirt / clay, while others do not.

A 10 stall barn on the property will significantly raise the value of the property, especially if you are looking in an area like Huntington, Central Islip, or another horsey area. In other words, you could get the same property cheaper if it didn't have a barn on it. Horse properties (even if the barn has been vacant) are more valuable.

Your taxes will change if you change the purpose of the structure. In other words, if you add a bathroom or hot water or something like that, it can and will change your taxes. You need to look into that before undertaking any major renovations. Also, barns are NOT structures like houses. They are not built / wired for heat, major electricity like AC and entertainment centers. Barns should be designed to be open and airy (as fresh air and good circulation are a must for stabled horses), so the barn is not going to be insulated like a house. This makes it very expensive to heat (or you have to completely renovate the building to insulate the walls.

Unless the wiring is brand new, you will absolutely have to redo all the electric wiring. Barn electricity is usually just for lights and small things (electric clippers, e.g.) only and cannot handle an overload of electricity.

The good news is that GENERALLY barns are just a big open building and the stall walls are put in after the outside structure is up. This makes it easy to remove the stall walls. However, it's possible you'll have to redo the floor b/c it likely won't be solid concrete. The stalls are likely dirt with a concrete aisle / concrete in the aisleways. However, also remember that if it's a center aisle barn, it likely has sliding doors on either end that are in total at least 10 feet wide.

If it's a shedrow style barn, it's really not useful for anything else except horse stalls and storage. Shedrow barns have no center aisle - so basically the horses go staight into their personal stall from the outside - there is no 'inside' to the structure, just freestanding stalls usually.

It really depends on the barn and the layout. Be prepared to deal with tax increases, etc. Also if it's a very horsey area, be prepared to deal with horse people as neighbors - That means there will be manure storage on their property. All towns have strict rules and most people put it in an dumpster and have it hauled away... but you may have horses as neighbors. If you're not an animal lover, you may not appreciate it. (I'd personally love to have my horses in my backyard). Also you need to check the zoning regulations. MOST of these horse towns have tough town boards that you may have to go to gain approval (Central Islip, e.g.) to change existing structures. They are protective of their horse properties and may not want to give you the permit to change the structure. There will also, like I said, be tax consequences.

If you have any more questions, feel free to FM me. I've been involved with horses for years (was a professional rider and have managed several barns along the east coast). I'm a little familiar with barns.

ETA - To be clear, you are looking at RAISING your taxes if you convert the barn into a place with a loft, etc., especially if you add a bathroom. This is also not something you can hide from the town, as there are serious consequences for getting caught. Also, it is not necessarily true that the barn has a hay loft. It may not be possible to convert the barn into a huge room with a loft for sleeping. Even if there is a hay loft, there wouldn't be access to it from inside the barn. The loft would likely be accessed from an external staircase or in many cases, just a ladder.

You really have to look at the barn to know what you are getting into. You are most likely looking at completely rewiring and renovating the entire thing. It will be very expensive.

Also, if you are looking in a very horsey area (e.g., Central Islip on Connetquot Park), many of the horsey neighbors will be unhappy to lose another horse property (though it's yours so you can do what you want with it). However, your home will have more value with a barn in the backyard than with an entertainment area / loft, especially if it's in a horse-friendly area. (Lower taxes with the barn and higher value for the land)
MrsMagoo Posted:

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Thank you so much for all the information. I will pass that along to FH. He has been obssessed with this house for a few months now!!

Kara and Todd Posted:

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Go see it and look at the barn. Then you'll know more. I can almost assure you the wiring would have to be completely redone - even if the barn is new. It's just not wired the same as a house.

Do you have pics of the barn? I can at least tell you if it's a center aisle or a shedrow...

Also, remember that there will be no infastructure for heat, no pipes for water going to the loft, etc. There likely isn't even a sink in the barn (though if it's a barn with a bathroom, then that's REALLY nice and you may have less of a tax impact if you do convert the barn...)
MrsMagoo Posted:

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The first one is a distant view of the barn from the backyard...



This one is inside the barn...

Kara and Todd Posted:

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God that's a beautiful horse property. Even the fencing looks lovely! Can I ask if it's in Nassau or Suffolk? (Don't worry, we're not looking!)

That's an interesting barn design. It's a center aisle, but it doesn't look like there is any concerete floor at all. This happens, too - looks all dirt to me, but again tough to tell from the pic. It's tough to tell from the pics if the stalls have outside windows - I'm guessing they do. (There would be no glass - just a whole in the side and probably a door that opens and shuts)

You may have more problems with that design since the stalls are actually walled in and go all the way to the ceiling. You may not be able to take out those walls. Usually horse stalls don't go all the way to the ceiling. They only go up about 7 feet or so.

This has nothing to do with anything, but that is one narrow aisle for a barn! My horses couldn't turn around in there! But it really looks like a lovely set up for a horse property.

You really should look at it in person if you haven't already and talk to a structural engineer.
MrsMagoo Posted:

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We are planning to go look after the holidays with a co-worker's husband who is in real estate. Thanks for all the information. I am going to pass it along to FH. The property is actually in Dix Hills.

Kara and Todd Posted:

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Yup, that's another big horse location. Someone could actually run quite a nice boarding business out of that barn if there is enough turnout space. Gorgeous property! Let me know how you like it in person!
TakingtheLongWay Posted:

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Hey Kara! I am also an 'avid equestrian'! Do you board at a commerical stable or in a private facility? Maybe we've crossed paths outside of LIW!
Kara and Todd Posted:

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I'm sending you FM!

I board at a private barn near connetquot park. We must talk!!

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