Ok Girls! I have an annoying questions~~

it is two thousand seven.... never 'and seven' when referring to the year....

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=136700

http://pghsfavoritejami.blogspot.com/search/label/grammar

yeah, isn't the whole invitation grammar thing a mess? Overall, proper grammer is so rare that many online sources conflict each other. Only the language buffs seem to pay attention...

i was always taught that when refering to numbers you never put an 'and'
if you were saying 125 it would one hundred twenty five or 2007 would be two thousand seven

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Posted by portjeffbride

it is two thousand seven.... never 'and seven' when referring to the year....

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=136700

http://pghsfavoritejami.blogspot.com/search/label/grammar

yeah, isn't the whole invitation grammar thing a mess? Overall, proper grammer is so rare that many online sources conflict each other. Only the language buffs seem to pay attention...

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Unfortunately both of those links are blogs. Neither are backed by any gramatical or mathmatical source.

From a 'math' standpoint all the ladies on here are correct. 'AND' refers to a decimal point to all mathletes.

From a gramatical stand point, the year is not the same as a number. From the earliest novels to literature of the 18th century dates and years are written differently then numbers. Numbers and years are not interchangeable. The rule for writing a year is not concrete. It is most often seen with the AND in older days but has begun to fade in recent times. It is both acceptable and proper to either write in or leave out the AND.

With that being said, I put it in but you can do either.

Edited for PS. There are many ways to justify both keeping and removing the 'and' none of which can ever be justified by saying that the word AND already appears in the word thousand

and is for decimals, ie i have one dollar and two cents, so it should just be two thousand seven

hope that helps

ooops should've read the other posts first...sorry to be redundant

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Posted by snapp29

My invitation lady says that on my wedding invitations the year is spelled:

Saturday, the first of September TWO THOUSAND SEVEN (No 'AND')
*She says 'and' is already in the word thousAND*

However, I have seen on etiquette websites/books...that it is:

TWO THOUSAND AND SEVEN (With the 'AND')

Well, which is it???? With or without the 'AND'

Please help me...I would like the proper way!! Thank you!

S

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There should NOT be an 'AND'

HTH!

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Posted by GabrielleandJohn

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Posted by portjeffbride

it is two thousand seven.... never 'and seven' when referring to the year....

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=136700

http://pghsfavoritejami.blogspot.com/search/label/grammar

yeah, isn't the whole invitation grammar thing a mess? Overall, proper grammer is so rare that many online sources conflict each other. Only the language buffs seem to pay attention...

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Unfortunately both of those links are blogs. Neither are backed by any gramatical or mathmatical source.

From a 'math' standpoint all the ladies on here are correct. 'AND' refers to a decimal point to all mathletes.

From a gramatical stand point, the year is not the same as a number. From the earliest novels to literature of the 18th century dates and years are written differently then numbers. Numbers and years are not interchangeable. The rule for writing a year is not concrete. It is most often seen with the AND in older days but has begun to fade in recent times. It is both acceptable and proper to either write in or leave out the AND.

With that being said, I put it in but you can do either.

Edited for PS. There are many ways to justify both keeping and removing the 'and' none of which can ever be justified by saying that the word AND already appears in the word thousand

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I knew someone with historical / literary context would reply eventually...

I should have mentioned on my earlier reply that I did check my diplomas prior to submitting my invitation proofs... No 'and'.... My rationale: the same diplomas are passed out by the Stony Brook English / Lit department.

So I guess it's safe to say that you did not get a difinitive answer!!

We have a lot of really smart girls on this site!

I'll add my two cents in.....I say to put in whatever fits better on the invite. If having the 'AND' in spaces the wording out better and it's more pleasing to look at then put it in. If it looks to squawashed on the page with the 'AND' in, then don't put it in.

I think we brides (or I know I can at least speak for myself) tend to over think things. That's why we have FH's to remind us that no one but us will be this over critical about stuff.

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Posted by portjeffbride

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Posted by GabrielleandJohn

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Posted by portjeffbride

it is two thousand seven.... never 'and seven' when referring to the year....

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=136700

http://pghsfavoritejami.blogspot.com/search/label/grammar

yeah, isn't the whole invitation grammar thing a mess? Overall, proper grammer is so rare that many online sources conflict each other. Only the language buffs seem to pay attention...

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Unfortunately both of those links are blogs. Neither are backed by any gramatical or mathmatical source.

From a 'math' standpoint all the ladies on here are correct. 'AND' refers to a decimal point to all mathletes.

From a gramatical stand point, the year is not the same as a number. From the earliest novels to literature of the 18th century dates and years are written differently then numbers. Numbers and years are not interchangeable. The rule for writing a year is not concrete. It is most often seen with the AND in older days but has begun to fade in recent times. It is both acceptable and proper to either write in or leave out the AND.

With that being said, I put it in but you can do either.

Edited for PS. There are many ways to justify both keeping and removing the 'and' none of which can ever be justified by saying that the word AND already appears in the word thousand

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I knew someone with historical / literary context would reply eventually...

I should have mentioned on my earlier reply that I did check my diplomas prior to submitting my invitation proofs... No 'and'.... My rationale: the same diplomas are passed out by the Stony Brook English / Lit department.

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HAHA to prove that no one seems to agree on this issue, I pulled both of my diploma's. The first is from SUNY Albany's English Dept.(BA) and it does not have an and.

The second is from the English liturature department at Queens college (MA), it has an and.

It's not just us ladies, not even the universities can make up their minds!!

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Posted by cindyandkevin

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Posted by October Bliss

This was a hignly debated topic among the '06ers (and I imagine all the other brides that were married after 2000). We did not use the 'and' because according to DH if you say two-thousand and six it is written as 2000.6 - with the 'and' representing the period, but if you say two-thousand six it is written as 2006. Can you tell my DH was a math major???

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Exactly right!!!!!! Think about the year 1999. It was written Nineteen Hundred Ninety Nine. You never saw it as Nineteen Hundred AND Ninety Nine.

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oh good point!! i was torn till i read this post. i'm think NO and. but like the other poster said, do it however you want, no one will will notice, unless of course they're a neurotic bride like us!!

I think mine says AND. . .
but i'll look and get back to ya!

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Posted by Pinkiegirll07

My mom works in the invite business...She says the AND should be there!!

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I also work in the invitation business, and the AND should be there.

If you look at 99% of the samples in the invitation albums that is how it is done.

Invitations are socially correct, not mathematically correct.

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Posted by tricia3381

Exactly right!!!!!! Think about the year 1999. It was written Nineteen Hundred Ninety Nine. You never saw it as Nineteen Hundred AND Ninety Nine.

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Thats exactly what I was going to write.

actually, I was thinking about it on the way home, and I do recall nineteen hundred and eighty four.



this whole thing is now driving me nuts now!

I spoke to a co-worker who is an academic that recreationally reads-up on linguistics. I know, I have geeky friends... He backed-up exactly what GabrielleandJohn said, of course. And is old school, and can still be used today. Without 'and' is a recent advance.

He said the problem really lies in the fact that english lacks uniformity overall. It has been getting better over the last 200 years, but the spelling and grammar variations remain....

I guess 'and' or no 'and' is merely a matter of preference... Best of all, that means none of our invitations are wrong

It is correct to leave the 'and' out, but not for that reason. Your invitation lady is an idiot. The word is THOUSAND. It is not THOU and when you have more you add the 'and.' That's the stupidest thing I've heard this week. Give the woman a dictionary. It's correct to leave the 'and' out because the year is 'two thousand seven,' it's not 'two thousand AND seven.' Who says 'two thousand and seven?' No one. Think about it. The way you say the year is not the same way you write a check, they're different things. Ten years ago you said 'nineteen ninety-seven,' when you referred to the year, you didn't say 'one thousand nine hundred ninety and seven,' did you? No.

Leave it out. If you want, you can leave it in because I believe it is the more old fashioned way to do it, but don't do it for your invitation lady's reason!

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Posted by jaiese

I think either could be right, but I would think of it this way: When someone asks you what year it is, do you say 'two thousand and seven' or 'two thousand seven'? I'd go w/o the 'and', not b/c it's in the thousand (that's weird, btw), but b/c it sounds better to me.

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i agree, and i can't think of any reason to include the 'and.' it doesn't make sense grammatically or mathematically. that being said, i don't think any one will notice or care besides other brides who have the same concern, so go with whatever works for you!!!

Whenever I have questions like this, I always refer to the Crane's website. This is taken directly from their site:

'In mathematics 'and' denotes a decimal point, and since there’s no decimal point in the year '2001,' it may seem incorrect to use 'and.' Wedding invitations, however, are not mathematical equations, so the use of 'and' as a decimal point is irrelevant. On wedding invitations, 'and' is used simply as a connective word.'

So it looks like Crane's advice is to include the 'and'.

I think you use AND with numbes when saying an amount of money. but when saying a number there is no and..

112 - one hundred twelve.. not one hundred and twelve

I never thought about this, but I guess this is what the boards are for....

that being said I would leave the and out...like other posted have mentioned, you don't say two thousand and seven, you usually would say two thousand seven.

I totally think it's a preference and if you want it in, then I would tell the invitation lady that you are paying for it and you want it in (or out )