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TheFutureMrsM Posted:

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Here is an article in newsday tommorow

Link to Newsday



Problems in the real estate market are going to get worse -- much worse -- before they better, experts say.

Home prices will keep falling and foreclosure rates nationally will keep rising at least until the end of next year, they said. And some predictions contend that the market won't right itself until 2010.

'We are going to have a huge correction,' said David Olson, president of Wholesale Access, a mortgage research and consulting firm based in Columbia, Md. 'There's going to be a lot of pain.'

Government officials have offered many proposals to help struggling homeowners with subprime loans whose rates are scheduled to increase. Some industry observers, however, question how useful these measures will be, noting much of the legislation is bogged down in Congress. Before they take effect, some borrowers likely will have to give up their homes because they can't keep up with the payments, experts say.

No one knows yet the extent of the problem. Just last week, Goldman Sachs published a report predicting home prices will fall an additional 13 to 14 percent over the next three years. And, the report notes, the peak of subprime mortgage rate resets won't come until March. In that month, the interest rate on $42 billion of mortgages will increase, straining the budgets of many homeowners.

Subprime adjustable-rate mortgages are largely to blame for the current housing mess. Borrowers were able to purchase homes because these ARMs carried super-low interest rates at first. When they adjust, many homeowners may not be able to afford the higher monthly payments, leading to a spike in defaults and foreclosures.

Nearly 150,000 subprime mortgages are scheduled to reset each month through the end of next year, according to the Federal Reserve, causing the typical monthly payment to rise about $350, or 25 percent. Goldman Sachs, meanwhile, predicts that losses on outstanding loans could balloon to $400 billion, though some experts feel that number is too high.

The most effective tools to help struggling homeowners will be those that aim to refinance them into mortgages they can afford. These tools include encouraging lenders and borrowers to negotiate or expanding refinancing options through the Federal Housing Administration or state efforts, said Keith Gumbinger, vice president at HSH Associates, a publisher of consumer loan information in Pompton Plains, N.J.

Some of government proposals address this issue, and lenders are now stepping up efforts to find homeowners who may be in trouble. Just last week, mortgage companies and housing counselors participating in a White House-backed effort called Hope Now began sending 300,000 letters to at-risk borrowers with offers of assistance.

'The hardest thing is to make the borrowers most at risk fully aware of the risks they face and aware of the opportunities to help ameliorate that risk,' Gumbinger said.

For the most part, however, experts say the country will just have to ride out the troubles in the market. Housing prices should stabilize once they come more in line with incomes. Foreclosure rates should stop soaring once the surge of resets on adjustable-rate mortgages passes.

'We're just going to have to wait this through,' Olson said.
jessamyn78 Posted:

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Well I guess that is good for us! Most of the houses we are looking at have been on the market for 3-6 months already.

Shell84 Posted:

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I feel bad for these people loosing their houses, but I'm also excited because we might find something we can afford and won't have to move to LI after all. ( I live in the city)

DiamondPipa Posted:

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Posted by Shell84

I feel bad for these people loosing their houses, but I'm also excited because we might find something we can afford and won't have to move to LI after all. ( I live in the city)



I think the city is a whole other animal! It's driven by international $$$$. The prices there are still going up....FH owns apt on the UWS and it keeps going up by the day....meanwhile, homes in Queens and LI are going down. We are going to sell and look for a place on LI...much much much more affordable and sooo much more space!
IrishBrideASmiling Posted:

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I work for a law firm that handles foreclosures and let me tell you, each month it gets worse and worse!

missK Posted:

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The only thing they dont mention too is the taxes in LI. The houses may be going down in price but the taxes arent.
LCnAC Posted:

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Posted by missK

The only thing they dont mention too is the taxes in LI. The houses may be going down in price but the taxes arent.



yeah but if you think about it...when you have kids...I know if i lived in the city i would send my kids to private school vs. if i lived in long island i would send them to public school. So it comes out to the same thing. Tuition for catholic schools in queens are outrageous now, can you imagine when its time for our kids to go to school?
AllyDrew1108 Posted:

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The problem with Long Island, which has been an on-going problem for many years - is the price to live there (taxes, etc) is insane,yet the salaries are HORRIBLE on LI.

Newsday has done articles and editorials on that too. It's really not fair to the residents, esp those paying like $10K a year. Unless you commute to NYC or are a doctor, lawyer, biz owner or educator, you can't really work on LI which I think is sad.

When I moved from NYC to NJ, I was shocked at what some of the people who live out here in NJ are making - so much more than LI and it costs about $450K to get a decent home in a decent area out here as well. (We just looked at tiny $200K 'houses' on Friday in the middle of nowhere).

I can't speak for myself salary wise - I keep finding small companies who won't pay me nearly what I was making in NYC back in 2001.
AllyDrew1108 Posted:

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If you live in NYC and have kids, they can go to special schools that are free - they just take entrance exams. My ex grew up in Manhattan and his folks had NO money and he went to the best music and art schools and they weren't private.

He was very cultured, artistic and smart. I think it depends on the parents, not the schools. City kids have tons of culture, museums, theaters, music, etc. right in their own backyard. If parents take advantage of what's out there, the kids will benefit.




Posted by LCnAC


Posted by missK

The only thing they dont mention too is the taxes in LI. The houses may be going down in price but the taxes arent.



yeah but if you think about it...when you have kids...I know if i lived in the city i would send my kids to private school vs. if i lived in long island i would send them to public school. So it comes out to the same thing. Tuition for catholic schools in queens are outrageous now, can you imagine when its time for our kids to go to school?

Mici n KC Posted:

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Posted by jessamyn78

Well I guess that is good for us! Most of the houses we are looking at have been on the market for 3-6 months already.



Some houses have been on the market for much longer!
MrsD71208 Posted:

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Posted by blurgirlny

The problem with Long Island, which has been an on-going problem for many years - is the price to live there (taxes, etc) is insane,yet the salaries are HORRIBLE on LI.

Newsday has done articles and editorials on that too. It's really not fair to the residents, esp those paying like $10K a year. Unless you commute to NYC or are a doctor, lawyer, biz owner or educator, you can't really work on LI which I think is sad.

When I moved from NYC to NJ, I was shocked at what some of the people who live out here in NJ are making - so much more than LI and it costs about $450K to get a decent home in a decent area out here as well. (We just looked at tiny $200K 'houses' on Friday in the middle of nowhere).

I can't speak for myself salary wise - I keep finding small companies who won't pay me nearly what I was making in NYC back in 2001.



Salaries are MUCH lower? I'm a teacher on LI making almost double the salary than a new teacher in the city.........that's not true for teachers at least! Guess if you want to switch careers, become a teacher on L.I. LOL
MrsD71208 Posted:

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Posted by missK

The only thing they dont mention too is the taxes in LI. The houses may be going down in price but the taxes arent.



It's crazy how they keep going up and up....and to add, town taxes are a killer too!
DiamondPipa Posted:

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Posted by MrsDtoBe


Posted by missK

The only thing they dont mention too is the taxes in LI. The houses may be going down in price but the taxes arent.



It's crazy how they keep going up and up....and to add, town taxes are a killer too!



omg yeaaa that is so weird!!! i never heard of town taxes til we started looking in LI.
AllyDrew1108 Posted:

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That's why I said 'educators' in my list of careers who make money on LI. My dad was a teacher on LI and made 2x my mom who worked in Queens.


Posted by MrsDtoBe


Posted by blurgirlny

The problem with Long Island, which has been an on-going problem for many years - is the price to live there (taxes, etc) is insane,yet the salaries are HORRIBLE on LI.

Newsday has done articles and editorials on that too. It's really not fair to the residents, esp those paying like $10K a year. Unless you commute to NYC or are a doctor, lawyer, biz owner or educator, you can't really work on LI which I think is sad.

When I moved from NYC to NJ, I was shocked at what some of the people who live out here in NJ are making - so much more than LI and it costs about $450K to get a decent home in a decent area out here as well. (We just looked at tiny $200K 'houses' on Friday in the middle of nowhere).

I can't speak for myself salary wise - I keep finding small companies who won't pay me nearly what I was making in NYC back in 2001.



Salaries are MUCH lower? I'm a teacher on LI making almost double the salary than a new teacher in the city.........that's not true for teachers at least! Guess if you want to switch careers, become a teacher on L.I. LOL

Mici n KC Posted:

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Posted by blurgirlny

If you live in NYC and have kids, they can go to special schools that are free - they just take entrance exams. My ex grew up in Manhattan and his folks had NO money and he went to the best music and art schools and they weren't private.

He was very cultured, artistic and smart. I think it depends on the parents, not the schools. City kids have tons of culture, museums, theaters, music, etc. right in their own backyard. If parents take advantage of what's out there, the kids will benefit.




Posted by LCnAC


Posted by missK

The only thing they dont mention too is the taxes in LI. The houses may be going down in price but the taxes arent.



yeah but if you think about it...when you have kids...I know if i lived in the city i would send my kids to private school vs. if i lived in long island i would send them to public school. So it comes out to the same thing. Tuition for catholic schools in queens are outrageous now, can you imagine when its time for our kids to go to school?




This is true, but not everyone has that option. I grew up in Queens and my sister and I both went to private school our whole lives.
MissMath Posted:

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I don't know...I read these articles, but I still see people buying houses at a high price... we got our house for a great price, but nothing extremely low....

sassygirl9 Posted:

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LI may have higher teacher pay, but they only like to hire first years or teachers with no more than 5 years experience, because they don't have to pay them more. So a teacher with 15 years experience will not get hired if competing with a 3rd year teacher. I know ladies who this happened to.

In the past few years NYC teachers have gotten raises so I don't think there is a big gap as before
lkdrnw Posted:

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It stinks, cause people will not get the money they paid for their house, but for those of us looking for a house, it is very good news

tlp123 Posted:

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I think that the prices are going to continue to go down for awhile. Many people took out mortgages that they can't afford to pay and that problem will continue for a while.

MrsD71208 Posted:

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Posted by DiamondPipa


Posted by MrsDtoBe


Posted by missK

The only thing they dont mention too is the taxes in LI. The houses may be going down in price but the taxes arent.



It's crazy how they keep going up and up....and to add, town taxes are a killer too!



omg yeaaa that is so weird!!! i never heard of town taxes til we started looking in LI.



Where on LI are you looking Kathy?

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