We haven't had a controversial discussion in a while...

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As for the families of the criminals.. I feel bad for them. But truly I am not as concerned for them as for the victims.

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Which I think is totally normal. I mean - of course the family of the criminal is in a state of pain that is unimaginable, but society's first concern should be the victim and their family.

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i agree - but just imagine you are the mother of that person - knowing you gave birth to them and that you created that monster - knowing that the person you loved with all your heart could do such horrible things - i mean that has to really mess someone up - and then do you stand by them? or forget them? as a parent you must be torn - do you still love them because they are your child? how do you just let them go - imagine you were the mother of a serial killer - how do you live with that? its just something that isnt really discussd or thought about thats why i brought it up...

but anywho - i dont know exactly how i feel about captial punishment....sometimes i think a life sentence is worse on the mind - being forced to live in jail, no choice, no freedom, treated like an animal, no visitors, no real life

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I also think that, unfortunately, becoming a serial killer may have absolutely NOTHING to do with the parents or how the child was raised. I truly believe that a child molester/serial killer/rapist/etc. has something actually chemically wrong in their brain that they are unable to stop themself from doing something this is so obviously and clearly wrong to the rest of society...

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yes i agree...that is why we have the term 'pyshopath' (dissocial personality disorder) or also sociopath. (SORRY I WAS A PSYCH MAJOR). People who know what they are doing is wrong but still do it because they get mer joy out of it. It is disgusting but there are people like that in this world. But other times there are people who clearly are unable to stop themselves from doing something but they think they are right in doing it- they are sick in the head. Although psychopaths are sick they know what they do is wrong. And you are born like that- it is an illness and I don't think any parent could control that.

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If you dont mind me saying, I agree that a parent can not control a mental issue their child has, however I have learned in all psy classes that with proper help ( which only the parent CAN control) a child with any mental issue can take precautions for their future. This is not at all an attempt to blame parents at all, but it has been proven that the majority of the sociopaths or pyshopaths have issues that were not taken care of properly from a young age.

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no i don't mind at all...we are all allowed to have our opinions and i like hearing others especially if they disagree it gives me more knowledge on the topic.

And I do agree with you. It is definitely true that the parent needs to take the first steps into getting their child the help. That can definitely help the child's future!!! And it stinks that unfortunately there are parents who dont care, don't want to or just plain are in denial of their childs behaviors or issues and they don't get those services for their children. And it just so happens that alot of the sociopaths are those who were not helped younger in life!!! I guess what i was saying in my last post was that the disease/illness can not be helped. But there are precautions that parents can take yes I believe that. And if i was ever in that situation i hope i would help my child instead of giving up hope!!

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I'll say it again...

agreed, however, it is often too late when a parent realizes their child has a problem... look at the kids from Columbine... After the shooting everyone noticed a 'problem' but no one ever reached out to help them... not school counselors, teachers, family, friends

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HOW DARE YOU!!!! just kidding.

You are right though it is sad to see how our justice system lets down our children. I mean yuo can't just blame the parents, there are others who see what is going on in the child- the teachers, friends, other students, counselors etc. But unfortunately it is blind sighted at times- like in the instance of the kids who started Colombine. It is sad but true and i think schools should have sessions with teh whole student body to discuss things like this

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It definitely is not JUST the parents. Many parents dont have all the facts about mental diseases to pinpoint what the problem might be. They won't know certain behavioral patterns and realize what is wrong with their child. Also i think its a case of being too emotionally involved sometimes, as a parent you will probably just automatically think 'oh hes just going through a phase' there are some signs that parents should never let go though so not saying this is always the case. I do think that in the school systems they should have somebody who can see these signs and figure out what is wrong with the child. If a teacher notices weird behavior she should speak to somebody about it and schools should have a psychologist, counselor to speak with the child. These are professionals who should figure out what is wrong with the child.

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Posted by yelley77

no one answered me, was OJ Simpson charged with 1st degree murder?

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no he was not guilty. I believe he did lose the civil case though and had to give money to the browns

Havent read the previous pages but I am for it (just once we are positively sure it is the right person).

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Posted by Espo22

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Posted by yelley77

no one answered me, was OJ Simpson charged with 1st degree murder?

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no he was not guilty. I believe he did lose the civil case though and had to give money to the browns

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No. lol. I mean when they brought him up on trial, what was he charged with? First degree murder, 2nd?

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Posted by Espo22

It definitely is not JUST the parents. Many parents dont have all the facts about mental diseases to pinpoint what the problem might be. They won't know certain behavioral patterns and realize what is wrong with their child. Also i think its a case of being too emotionally involved sometimes, as a parent you will probably just automatically think 'oh hes just going through a phase' there are some signs that parents should never let go though so not saying this is always the case. I do think that in the school systems they should have somebody who can see these signs and figure out what is wrong with the child. If a teacher notices weird behavior she should speak to somebody about it and schools should have a psychologist, counselor to speak with the child. These are professionals who should figure out what is wrong with the child.

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you are right. there are so many parents who dont know what they are allowed to get for their child- services and help wise. some parents are just no educated enough...or those who are socioeconomically not well off....they might not have the tools to help them get what htey need for their child. it is sad but true. and i agree i think there should be a child psychologist in every school. i know some do have them- but i think it is necessary especially for our children. why make them suffer if they dont have to.

I think to an extent socio or psycho paths have a history of abuse of some sort in their childhood. Most of the felons I work with are either victims of physical and/or sexual abuse as children , neglected , or watched their father kick the crap out of their mother. Many exibit signs early on that they are not mentally stable and nothing was done to address the problem

Now that doesn't mean that all people who are abused end up murderers or rapists , but these people didn't just become sociopaths from nothing. It is a combination of chemical and environmental situation that lead to violent criminal behavior.

That being said, Most criminals know right from wrong, they just don't care

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Posted by yelley77

no one answered me, was OJ Simpson charged with 1st degree murder?

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O.J. was charged with two counts of murder with special circumstances (almost the same)
but prosecutors seeked sentence of life without parole for O.J. if he is convicted, rather than death penalty.

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Posted by cbcf

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Posted by Espo22

It definitely is not JUST the parents. Many parents dont have all the facts about mental diseases to pinpoint what the problem might be. They won't know certain behavioral patterns and realize what is wrong with their child. Also i think its a case of being too emotionally involved sometimes, as a parent you will probably just automatically think 'oh hes just going through a phase' there are some signs that parents should never let go though so not saying this is always the case. I do think that in the school systems they should have somebody who can see these signs and figure out what is wrong with the child. If a teacher notices weird behavior she should speak to somebody about it and schools should have a psychologist, counselor to speak with the child. These are professionals who should figure out what is wrong with the child.

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you are right. there are so many parents who dont know what they are allowed to get for their child- services and help wise. some parents are just no educated enough...or those who are socioeconomically not well off....they might not have the tools to help them get what htey need for their child. it is sad but true. and i agree i think there should be a child psychologist in every school. i know some do have them- but i think it is necessary especially for our children. why make them suffer if they dont have to.

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Yes some schools do have them and sometimes even in the schools that have them I dont think they are used enough.

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Posted by yelley77

no one answered me, was OJ Simpson charged with 1st degree murder?

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O.J. was charged with two counts of murder with special circumstances (almost the same)
but prosecutors seeked sentence of life without parole for O.J. if he is convicted, rather than death penalty.

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A perfect example of how the jury could be swayed the other way. They totally dropped the ball on this one, lol

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Posted by jessnstu08

I think to an extent socio or psycho paths have a history of abuse of some sort in their childhood. Most of the felons I work with are either victims of physical and/or sexual abuse as children , neglected , or watched their father kick the crap out of their mother. Many exibit signs early on that they are not mentally stable and nothing was done to address the problem

Now that doesn't mean that all people who are abused end up murderers or rapists , but these people didn't just become sociopaths from nothing. It is a combination of chemical and environmental situation that lead to violent criminal behavior.

That being said, Most criminals know right from wrong, they just don't care

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def what i was trying to say earlier in my post haha glad you got that across!!! and yes i agree. plus there are alot of other factors that come into play like you said about the effects of childhoods on socio or psychopaths!!

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Posted by Kris0703

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Posted by yelley77

no one answered me, was OJ Simpson charged with 1st degree murder?

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O.J. was charged with two counts of murder with special circumstances (almost the same)
but prosecutors seeked sentence of life without parole for O.J. if he is convicted, rather than death penalty.

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thank you!!!

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Posted by yelley77

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Posted by Kris0703

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Posted by yelley77

no one answered me, was OJ Simpson charged with 1st degree murder?

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O.J. was charged with two counts of murder with special circumstances (almost the same)
but prosecutors seeked sentence of life without parole for O.J. if he is convicted, rather than death penalty.

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thank you!!!

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hahahaha, your welcome

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Posted by Kris0703

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Posted by yelley77

no one answered me, was OJ Simpson charged with 1st degree murder?

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O.J. was charged with two counts of murder with special circumstances (almost the same)
but prosecutors seeked sentence of life without parole for O.J. if he is convicted, rather than death penalty.

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A perfect example of how the jury could be swayed the other way. They totally dropped the ball on this one, lol

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That is what I wanted to say. When someone goes with a charge of first degree murder, they are sure the defendant committed the crime (as stated by someone earlier inthis thread). The evidence swayed the jury to a not guilty verdict... I'm also not convinced that every single juror thought OJ was innocent.

For it.

When I was younger, I would have been against it.

My cousin was murdered, and the killer was found guilty of manslaughter in the first degree.

He is serving 25 years in jail - since this all happened, my feelings have changed and I am 100% for it, when you know that it was pre-meditated and intentional.

I think that once you lose someone close to you at the hand of someone else, your view on the topic is likely to change.

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Posted by yelley77

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Posted by Kris0703

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Posted by Kris0703

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Posted by yelley77

no one answered me, was OJ Simpson charged with 1st degree murder?

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O.J. was charged with two counts of murder with special circumstances (almost the same)
but prosecutors seeked sentence of life without parole for O.J. if he is convicted, rather than death penalty.

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A perfect example of how the jury could be swayed the other way. They totally dropped the ball on this one, lol

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That is what I wanted to say. When someone goes with a charge of first degree murder, they are sure the defendant committed the crime (as stated by someone earlier inthis thread). The evidence swayed the jury to a not guilty verdict... I'm also not convinced that every single juror thought OJ was innocent.

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all they needed was one...

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Posted by Kris0703

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Posted by yelley77

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Posted by Kris0703

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Posted by yelley77

no one answered me, was OJ Simpson charged with 1st degree murder?

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O.J. was charged with two counts of murder with special circumstances (almost the same)
but prosecutors seeked sentence of life without parole for O.J. if he is convicted, rather than death penalty.

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A perfect example of how the jury could be swayed the other way. They totally dropped the ball on this one, lol

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That is what I wanted to say. When someone goes with a charge of first degree murder, they are sure the defendant committed the crime (as stated by someone earlier inthis thread). The evidence swayed the jury to a not guilty verdict... I'm also not convinced that every single juror thought OJ was innocent.

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all they needed was one...

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that is my point. all you need is one juror to feel passionate about what they believe. If you have 10 jurors who say guilty and one that says not guilty, that one not guilty vote can then persuade some, if not all, the other jurors to see his/her side. And vice versa. So my point is that at least one juror site there while another gives a verdict to a judge thinking, 'i do not agree' EVEN if they don't say it out loud or hesitate.

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Posted by cbcf

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Posted by jessnstu08

I think to an extent socio or psycho paths have a history of abuse of some sort in their childhood. Most of the felons I work with are either victims of physical and/or sexual abuse as children , neglected , or watched their father kick the crap out of their mother. Many exibit signs early on that they are not mentally stable and nothing was done to address the problem

Now that doesn't mean that all people who are abused end up murderers or rapists , but these people didn't just become sociopaths from nothing. It is a combination of chemical and environmental situation that lead to violent criminal behavior.

That being said, Most criminals know right from wrong, they just don't care

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def what i was trying to say earlier in my post haha glad you got that across!!! and yes i agree. plus there are alot of other factors that come into play like you said about the effects of childhoods on socio or psychopaths!!

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It is really scary how deep the issues can lay with some of these guys. Most have messed up childhoods, and i would say that almost all of them came from homes where domestic violence was an issue ( at least the ones who disclose information to me, alot of them tell me to f off or call me a stupid white biotch , but thats ok im used to it lol) .

I have a few clients/ defendants that scare the cr*p out of me and I handle them with kid gloves. friggin scary

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Posted by yelley77

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Posted by Kris0703

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Posted by yelley77

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Posted by Kris0703

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Posted by Kris0703

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Posted by yelley77

no one answered me, was OJ Simpson charged with 1st degree murder?

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O.J. was charged with two counts of murder with special circumstances (almost the same)
but prosecutors seeked sentence of life without parole for O.J. if he is convicted, rather than death penalty.

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A perfect example of how the jury could be swayed the other way. They totally dropped the ball on this one, lol

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That is what I wanted to say. When someone goes with a charge of first degree murder, they are sure the defendant committed the crime (as stated by someone earlier inthis thread). The evidence swayed the jury to a not guilty verdict... I'm also not convinced that every single juror thought OJ was innocent.

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all they needed was one...

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that is my point. all you need is one juror to feel passionate about what they believe. If you have 10 jurors who say guilty and one that says not guilty, that one not guilty vote can then persuade some, if not all, the other jurors to see his/her side. And vice versa. So my point is that at least one juror site there while another gives a verdict to a judge thinking, 'i do not agree' EVEN if they don't say it out loud or hesitate.

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I think about this in many cases, but I also know that there is alot more behind death penalty cases which is what we are focusing on. Like I think I said before, there is sooo much that goes into these cases. Prosecutors won't even put it on the table if they don't feel 100% about it. And lots of times the judge is the one who makes that decisions. We tell juries ALL THE TIME that they can't look at the punishment in order to find guilt or innocence. 99% of the time the jury isn't even allowed to know what the punishment will be bc they don't want it to cloud their decision.

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99% of the time the jury isn't even allowed to know what the punishment will be bc they don't want it to cloud their decision.

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i know that it would affect my decision. If i was 90% sure someone was guilty and 10% unsure but then found out that the punishment was death, I wuld have to go back and revisit the case b/c now you aren't talking about 2 years in jail, you're talking about someones life.

It's interesting to hear those of you who work in the court system... you know all of the stuff us civilians don't know much about.