Disagreement w/ Friend

skew Posted: Mar 06, 2004 03:46 PM

Disagreement w/ Friend

if you are catholic and married outside the church, does the catholic church recongize the sacrament?

Lorena Posted: Mar 06, 2004 03:50 PM

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Pretty certain that the answer is no. Do you mean that it is a civil marriage or a marriage under a different faith?

skew Posted: Mar 06, 2004 03:55 PM

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i mean both bride and groom are catholic and have a ceremony performed at the reception location, will the catholic church recognize the marriage?

i say no, she says yes. i always thought that a catholic priest cannot marry a couple outside the church.

butterfly20 Posted: Mar 06, 2004 03:56 PM

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pretty sure the church only recognizes maraiges that are in a church....

june262004 Posted: Mar 06, 2004 03:59 PM

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Posted by butterfly20

pretty sure the church only recognizes maraiges that are in a church....

Yup.

MegLehner Posted: Mar 06, 2004 04:01 PM

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I think your right Skew - Catholic priests are not allowed to marry outside of a Church

skew Posted: Mar 06, 2004 04:02 PM

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ok, the disagreement continues. if the church doesn't recognize the marriage, can you then have your child baptized or do you have to be married in the church first?

Lorena Posted: Mar 06, 2004 04:04 PM

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Yeah, who's marrying them? From what I know most priests won't marry outside the church. I've heard of exceptions but don't think there are supposed to be exceptions, if you know what I mean. If they are definitely not getting married by a priest then they are definitely not married in the eyes of the church. Only a priest or deacon can perform the sacrament of matrimony.

karen32 Posted: Mar 06, 2004 04:09 PM

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Posted by skew

ok, the disagreement continues. if the church doesn't recognize the marriage, can you then have your child baptized or do you have to be married in the church first?

it depends on the church. many will require you and your DH to attend classes before they will baptize your child. not sure if you have to go through the whole ceremony.

my cousin called around to a few churches with regards to getting her daughter baptized (they were married at their hall) and she got varying responses from a flat-out no, to attend classes, to have to get re-married in a church.

good luck!!!

Lorena Posted: Mar 06, 2004 04:12 PM

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Don't know what the church officially feels but I can tell you that my FSIL had 2 sons baptized in the church and she wasn't married at all. I don't know though if not being married at all is viewed differently than being married but not in the Catholic church. That is a possibility.

lullabella Posted: Mar 06, 2004 04:16 PM

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Posted by skew

i mean both bride and groom are catholic and have a ceremony performed at the reception location, will the catholic church recognize the marriage?

i say no, she says yes. i always thought that a catholic priest cannot marry a couple outside the church.

This is my understanding. My FI and I are both Catholic and we are getting married at Oheka. We are using a Cathoic priest who has left priesthood to marry.

I think the only time they recognize it is if one of you is from another religion... like JEWISH when you ahve a Rabbi and a priest.

If I am wrong let me know, because I would lOVE To have a Roman Catholic Priest perform my ceremony.

Jen_n_Dale Posted: Mar 06, 2004 04:16 PM

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This is what will happen with us. I want to raise our kids catholic because I am catholic. We are getting married at our hall. I know they will give us a hard time when it comes to having our children baptized.

And if the church gives me a hard time, well then maybe it is time for a new religion that is accepting of us.

june262004 Posted: Mar 06, 2004 04:18 PM

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Posted by Jen_n_Dale

This is what will happen with us. I want to raise our kids catholic because I am catholic. We are getting married at our hall. I know they will give us a hard time when it comes to having our children baptized.

And if the church gives me a hard time, well then maybe it is time for a new religion that is accepting of us.

AGREED!

Lorena Posted: Mar 06, 2004 04:25 PM

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Posted by lullabella

I think the only time they recognize it is if one of you is from another religion... like JEWISH when you ahve a Rabbi and a priest.

I agree. That was why I asked if it was a civil ceremony or a ceremony under a different faith.

Lorena Posted: Mar 06, 2004 04:28 PM

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Posted by Jen_n_Dale

This is what will happen with us. I want to raise our kids catholic because I am catholic. We are getting married at our hall. I know they will give us a hard time when it comes to having our children baptized.

And if the church gives me a hard time, well then maybe it is time for a new religion that is accepting of us.

I completely respect your decision to get married at your hall. I'm curious/confused though. How do you feel that the church has wronged you? Is it because you don't understand why they require the sacraments to take place in the church. I don't have really strong feelings about this ether way so I'm not at all trying to start a disagreement. I'm just curious.

chris605 Posted: Mar 06, 2004 04:43 PM

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I think you are correct...

Jen_n_Dale Posted: Mar 06, 2004 04:46 PM

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If they give me a hard time about letting me have my baby baptized in the Catholic church being we won't be getting married in the Catholic church.

Lorena Posted: Mar 06, 2004 04:47 PM

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Posted by Jen_n_Dale

If they give me a hard time about letting me have my baby baptized in the Catholic church being we won't be getting married in the Catholic church.

I can certainly agree with that.

Jen_n_Dale Posted: Mar 06, 2004 04:52 PM

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Thanks! I just know when we do decide to have a baby, it will be loved regardless.

And I totally understand what you were saying. Sometimes when you read something it can be taken 2 ways when you read it. It sometimes is hard to express yourself through just typing.

Lorena Posted: Mar 06, 2004 04:57 PM

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Posted by Jen_n_Dale

And I totally understand what you were saying. Sometimes when you read something it can be taken 2 ways when you read it. It sometimes is hard to express yourself through just typing.

I was thinking the exact same thing when I read your resonse! It's harder to 'read between the lines' when you are actually reading and not having an actual conversation out loud!!!