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NY POST article - what are your thoughts???

TrayLu47 Posted:

NY POST article - what are your thoughts???

March 2, 2004 -- EVERYTHING you thought you knew about marriage just may be wrong.
Love isn't all you need, honesty is overrated and children can drive you apart.

So contends Dr. John W. Jacobs, whose new book, 'All You Need Is Love, and Other Lies about Marriage' (HarperCollins, $24.95), takes many long-accepted 'truths' and turns them on their head.

'There are myths that marriages are natural and easy to do,' says Jacobs, a New York psychiatrist who began working with couples in the early '80s, after his own divorce.

In fact, he says, marriages are fragile - and knowing how to keep them healthy is anything but intuitive, natural and easy.

The facts seem to bear that out. Half of all first marriages end in divorce, and two-thirds of all subsequent marriages fail as well.

The reason, says Jacobs, is divorce is fairly simple. It's marriage that's hard, and few couples have the skills to make it thrive.

For starters, we're living longer - so we have a lot more time to drive each other crazy.

Two-income households have become the norm, creating a problem traditional couples years ago rarely had to contend with: Just who's responsible for what at home has become a new arena for conflict.

And then there's sex - and today's widespread perception that our love lives are lustier than ever. Talk about pressure.

No wonder people are quick to take the easy way out and simply split up.

'Marriage is seen as a voluntary union,' Jacobs says.

'That wasn't true just a 100 years ago. People deserted marriages and had affairs,' he adds with a rueful laugh, 'but they didn't get divorced. Now they can.'

Luckily, there's help for marriages on the verge of a breakdown.

The first step, Jacobs says, is being aware that it's not merely your fault the marriage is in trouble - outside forces are at work, too. That's where therapy comes in.

'The beginning of therapy can bring tremendous relief when they realize it's not all their fault, or their spouse's,' Jacobs says.

From there, a couple needs to look within, at the behaviors that can be changed so they can stay married. Anger, resentment, disappointment - all these feelings, Jacobs says, need to be addressed.

Some husbands and wives, Jacobs says, have hurt each other so badly, 'they're in a downward spiral.'

'They not only dislike their spouse, they think they're 100 percent in the right, and the further they spiral down, the more they're sure of it because their spouse is behaving worse and worse.'

Once a couple has calmed down enough to talk instead of fight, there is challenge.

'They need to really admit who they are, not who the other person is,' Jacobs says.

'You have to figure out in fact whether who you are meshes well enough with your spouse and what he or she wants in life.'

Sometimes, they don't mesh, and there's no middle ground for rapprochement.

Jacobs says it's akin to having one person intent on living in New York and the other in California: The solution isn't moving to Des Moines.

But in other cases, he says, compromise is possible, and a marriage has a good shot of being saved.

It's crucial, Jacobs says, to know when to call for help.

'If you are beginning to feel that you really don't like your spouse, get help early,' Jacobs says. 'The longer it goes on, the harder it is to reverse.'

Understanding why marriage is vulnerable to outside pressures and our own misguided expectations - drilled into us from countless pop songs and movies - is a big step toward keeping a union happy and healthy.

'Have the courage and the humility to fight for your marriage,' writes Jacobs, who's now in the 22nd year of a happy second marriage.

'Love requires skillful, hard work . . . That's the love that real people find in real marriage.'

TrayLu47 Posted:

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I didn't realize the article was so long. Anyway, they are considering doing a story on this at my job, I just wanted to get feedback as to what others thought about it. To some degree it's true, however, I don't agree that honesty is over-rated and I don't believe children can destroy your marriage - to me it's all about the foundation you've set from the beggining.

What-Now Posted:

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A lot of things are true in this article. I also happen to think that just a foundation is not enough. Marriage is like a houseplant (sorry for a silly example, but I am currently dealing with some very finicky plants of mine and it’s actually very true) it takes work and care to keep it up throughout it’s whole life not just in the very beginning.

Of, course children don’t destroy marriage, but they are a challenge, because it’s a new element that a couple nee to learn to deal with together.

The alarming number of divorces in USA is probably what brought this on and it’s a good think that it’s finally considered important enough to be covered in a major Newspaper. It’s just way too easy to get a divorce here, it’s not something that is an exception, it’s a norm, and I don’t think it should be. JMO

Overall, I thought it was a good article. Thank you for posting!

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TrayLu47 Posted:

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What now! Thanks for your response! For the most part I agree with what you said. However, a foundation in a relationship is extremely important. For instance when building a house - what's the first thing that is laid - the foundation!. if there is no foundation at the bottom the rest of the house will not be able to stand on its own.

A foundation is a combination of what you bring as individuals into the marriage as well as how you communicate, trust, respect and honor one another. Foundation is whether or not you have common goals and are compatible. It's whether you really LIKE the person and can stand all their idiosyncratic behaviors without going crazy, it's the basic tools you need for the survival of your marriage.

ChristineC68 Posted:

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Aside from how easy it is to divorce I think social pressures and obligations that have changed over the past several decades may be a contributing factor to the rise in divorce.

Wives used to be financially dependent on their husbands. Now that most households have two incomes, women have acheived more freedoms since they are able to support themselves.

The pressure to have children has lifted a bit and I think that having children does make people try to 'stick it out for the kids'. (Depite numerous studies that say this hurts the child more then helps them).

These are just some of my opinions.
Sonicstef Posted:

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I don't agree that honesty is over-rated and I don't believe children can destroy your marriage


I believe children can destroy a marriage. Not that its the children doing so but the addition of a child that changes a life you have made so radically and some people cant adjust.

The article in interesting but its not giving any information that isnt common knowledge in my opinion. Anyone who is married knows these things already..it would be more interesting to read the book perhaps.

As a side note, it annoys me when therapists suggest therapy to everyone. Therapy is not for everyone. Sometimes people can solve their own problems. Not that it doesnt work for some but I think therapy is used as a solution for every problem when instead people should be looking at themselves for the root of the problem. Maybe if people were more self suffcient, there wouldnt be such a desire to blame others for the problems in marriage and thus a lower occurance of divorce.
nrvbrd Posted:

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IMO, before you even think about having children, you need to work on your marriage, making it the healthiest and strongest it can be.

Having children, particulary newborns can challenge the strongest of marriages,as the wife cannot give her 100% attention to her husband anymore.

As we all have said many times on this marriage at times is not easy.

Yes, your spouse annoys you, yes you do not feel like gettin it on sometimes, but you have to learn to overcome those things.

While I do notcondone dishonesty, I do think you can be honest but tactful as to not hurt the person's feelings.
shamma Posted:

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There are no 2 people on this earth that are compatible, you will never find anyone just like you. You have to be willing to work out/past the differences and do not let every little thing become a mountain. Stop trying to fix people, stop trying mold them, learn to accept them, they have to accept you and all your flaws. I guess our society has really become the kind that want quick fixes and if this is not working the easy thing to do is leave. I think that is what we have become. No one wants to put the effort forth anymore. Why bother, there is always more out there.
TrayLu47 Posted:

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Ladies - thanks for your reply! I do agree for the most part.

However Stef, you'd be surprised to know that there's a large population of people who don't know some of the things they mention in this article - especially for couples soon to be married. We here on the boards have access to and share so much information with each other, which helps us all in many different ways. However, it's not the same for other people out there. I think the alarmingly high divorce rates are driving the media, professionals and others to open up more about marriage. Personally I love this topic b/c it's interesting, and no matter how much knowledge and experience i've gained thus far, I can always learn in every situation.

I totally agree that therapy is not for everyone and some people can work out their issues on their own, however, there are some that for so many years live a miserable existence and feel they don't have options. I'm a huge advocate of counseling. Having been to marriage counseling, and thoroughly enjoyed the process and most of all LEARNED so much, I think it's an under-utilized tool in our society right now. When I watch and listen to what's going on around me in the news and with family and friends, hell I want to be a personal billboard for more people to try therapy!
Sonicstef Posted:

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Stop trying to fix people


This is such a big issue for so many women. I cant tell you how many women I know who have married a man thinking he is going to change. HE IS NOT. But things will change like he will probably lose his hair, his teeth and get a gut at some point. HE WILL GET UGLY eventually. And SO WILL YOU!

If people would just go into marriage realizing that, everyone will be so much better off.
jennbaby Posted:

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Posted by nrvbrd

IMO, before you even think about having children, you need to work on your marriage, making it the healthiest and strongest it can be.




This was so well said. I know someone who had a child and her husband was not at all happy when she got pregnant. He wasn't crazy about having a child at the time she wanted to. She thought he would change after he saw the baby. Well they are now seperated.

Children don't necessarily change a marriage for the better or make it stronger, it can sometimes make it worse.

Sassyz75 Posted:

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Not to mention, when you have a child, your relationship isn't about you and your DH anymore, it's about you, your DH and this third person.

sometimes people stay together while they have kids- and when the kids grow up and leave home, the parents realize they never had a relationship between the two of them.

that is why I find it so important to develop a very strong with my DH before we TTC
shamma Posted:

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Is anything in life guaranteed?? You can have your ducks all in a row and wham things change who knows. That is why I have vowed to take it one day at a time. Let tomorrow worry about itself. Not that I don't care, but today has enough worries of its own. Live the best life you can live while you can.
nrvbrd Posted:

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Posted by Sassyz75

Not to mention, when you have a child, your relationship isn't about you and your DH anymore, it's about you, your DH and this third person.

sometimes people stay together while they have kids- and when the kids grow up and leave home, the parents realize they never had a relationship between the two of them.




My goodness, you are so right, I know people who have stayed together for the kids. It is unfortunate that they think by doing that you are protectig them, when in fact you are hurting them and giving them a false view of relationships.
ChristineC68 Posted:

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After my grandparent's were married for over 50 years, my nanny realized they really didn't have much in common.

He always worked or played golf and she raised kids and took care of the house. I had an uncle that was always very sick and was never really able to move away from home so they had their 'kids' in the house forever.

But she was so cute, she then started to take interest in things that interested my grandfather. After a year or so she was an avid and knowlegable Mets fan.

It goes to show that we will always have to work on our relationships.

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