Anniversary of Roe v Wade

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This is a great adult answer!

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I agree! you go!

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Posted by carlsbride

Why was there a rabbi at a pro-life rally if Jews believe that life begins after birth?

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Because Judaism is one of those religions that has 8,000 interpretations for EVERYTHING. There's an old joke that if you put 4 Jews in a room you'll get a minimum of 5 different opinions.

YET ANOTHER REASON why they shouldn't legislate morality.

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Posted by SomethingBlu

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Posted by JanuaryBride06

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Posted by carlsbride

Why was there a rabbi at a pro-life rally if Jews believe that life begins after birth?

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People have a right to go against the general opinion of their groups. He doesn't represent the opinion of all Jewish people, just like Bush doesn't represent the opinion of all Christians.

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This is a great adult answer!

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Why, thank you, Sasha.

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Posted by eroxgirl

Consider Nixmary Brown...of course her situation is different because abortion IS currently legal and she didn't have to be born, but who can say that she's better off having lived? If Roe v. Wade were overturned how many more children will be abused and possibly beat to death by unfit parents who didn't want them in the first place? Or grow up to be the same kind of monster they were born to? Isn't it WORSE for a child to KNOW they're unwanted and to suffer this kind of abuse than for a child to never have lived at all? I think it is.

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I have to quote myself because I truly believe people DO NOT THINK ABOUT THE LIFE OF AN UNWANTED CHILD. and please don't try to change the topic by mentioning late term abortions - that is NOT the norm, and it is not even legal! I would love to see someone show me an article or some evidence of a woman waking up in her third trimester and suddenly realizing she doesn't want to have a child and a doctor actually performing an abortion on her, because no doctor worth his medical degree would do it! Any 'doctor' who would do that will still be performing abortions even if Roe v. Wade were to be overturned.

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Posted by PrincessRose

Because Judaism is one of those religions that has 8,000 interpretations for EVERYTHING. There's an old joke that if you put 4 Jews in a room you'll get a minimum of 5 different opinions.

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Wow i had no idea, that must be confusing-I am not trying to be a smart azz I just never realized that the Torah was not the basis for Jewish law and that what was followed. But that is another topic-thanks.

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Posted by eroxgirl

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Posted by eroxgirl

Consider Nixmary Brown...of course her situation is different because abortion IS currently legal and she didn't have to be born, but who can say that she's better off having lived? If Roe v. Wade were overturned how many more children will be abused and possibly beat to death by unfit parents who didn't want them in the first place? Or grow up to be the same kind of monster they were born to? Isn't it WORSE for a child to KNOW they're unwanted and to suffer this kind of abuse than for a child to never have lived at all? I think it is.

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I have to quote myself because I truly believe people DO NOT THINK ABOUT THE LIFE OF AN UNWANTED CHILD. and please don't try to change the topic by mentioning late term abortions - that is NOT the norm, and it is not even legal! I would love to see someone show me an article or some evidence of a woman waking up in her third trimester and suddenly realizing she doesn't want to have a child and a doctor actually performing an abortion on her, because no doctor worth his medical degree would do it! Any 'doctor' who would do that will still be performing abortions even if Roe v. Wade were to be overturned.

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Yes, the life of an unwanted child. Unfortunately, most people that should get abortions, don't. It's so unfair to the child but the parents are on drugs, uneducated, ignorant and choose NOT TO have an abortion. It's still legal, free in most cases to low income (or no income) women and yet they choose to bring another child into this world.

And her mom is a psycho!! Are you aware that she had an aborted fetus in her kitchen sitting in a jar because she couldn't bear to part with it? Yet murdering her child is OK? This is a whole other topic. She was an ignorant monster who deserves to rot in jail and should STOP having kids...

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Posted by carlsbride

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Posted by PrincessRose

Because Judaism is one of those religions that has 8,000 interpretations for EVERYTHING. There's an old joke that if you put 4 Jews in a room you'll get a minimum of 5 different opinions.

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Wow i had no idea, that must be confusing-I am not trying to be a smart azz I just never realized that the Torah was not the basis for Jewish law and that what was followed. But that is another topic-thanks.

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You are coming off as a smart azz, so if that's not your intention, you failed.

I'm not Jewish, but I can imagine that much like the Bible, it can be interpreted in many different ways. Nothing is white or black in the Bible, why would the Torah be any different?

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Posted by carlsbride

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Posted by PrincessRose

Because Judaism is one of those religions that has 8,000 interpretations for EVERYTHING. There's an old joke that if you put 4 Jews in a room you'll get a minimum of 5 different opinions.

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Wow i had no idea, that must be confusing-I am not trying to be a smart azz I just never realized that the Torah was not the basis for Jewish law and that what was followed. But that is another topic-thanks.

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No, you were right on the fact that the Torah is the basis for Jewish law. It's just not taken perfectly literally all the time, and when things are up for interpretation they can be interpreted differently.

It's not so confusing, because you just take your own interpretation and go with it. It's not like there's any H*ll in the religion to fear, so as long as you're not a complete @sshole, G-d's okay with you.

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Posted by carlsbride

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Posted by PrincessRose

Because Judaism is one of those religions that has 8,000 interpretations for EVERYTHING. There's an old joke that if you put 4 Jews in a room you'll get a minimum of 5 different opinions.

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Wow i had no idea, that must be confusing-I am not trying to be a smart azz I just never realized that the Torah was not the basis for Jewish law and that what was followed. But that is another topic-thanks.

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Do you know how many denominations of Christianity exist? And we all go by the New Testament, don't we?

In freakonomics there's a chapter linking a decrease in crime over a decade after roe v. wade came down. The authors claim that fewer unwanted children were born into unhealthy situations that would later lead them to a life of crime. it's interesting

But I don't believe in abortion as birth control. If you can have sex, you have to accept the possibility that you can get pregnant, even if you're on the pill, etc

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Posted by SomethingBlu

You are coming off as a smart azz, so if that's not your intention, you failed.

I'm not Jewish, but I can imagine that much like the Bible, it can be interpreted in many different ways. Nothing is white or black in the Bible, why would the Torah be any different?

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Thanks for sticking up for me Sasha, but she's really just come under a common misunderstanding. Catholicism is very literal about the Bible - it doesn't leave things up to interpretation, and when things are interpreted, they are interpreted by the Pope and not questioned.

So of course she sees the Torah (first 5 books of the 'Old Testament') as to be taken literally. Really it's a mistake a lot of people make.

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Posted by marymoon

In freakonomics there's a chapter linking a decrease in crime over a decade after roe v. wade came down. The authors claim that fewer unwanted children were born into unhealthy situations that would later lead them to a life of crime. it's interesting

But I don't believe in abortion as birth control. If you can have sex, you have to accept the possibility that you can get pregnant, even if you're on the pill, etc

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This was a good thread you started woman!!

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Posted by PrincessRose

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Posted by SomethingBlu

You are coming off as a smart azz, so if that's not your intention, you failed.

I'm not Jewish, but I can imagine that much like the Bible, it can be interpreted in many different ways. Nothing is white or black in the Bible, why would the Torah be any different?

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Thanks for sticking up for me Sasha, but she's really just come under a common misunderstanding. Catholicism is very literal about the Bible - it doesn't leave things up to interpretation, and when things are interpreted, they are interpreted by the Pope and not questioned.

So of course she sees the Torah (first 5 books of the 'Old Testament') as to be taken literally. Really it's a mistake a lot of people make.

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I really felt the need to respond because it was condescending. But really, Catholicism is not that literall and the Vatican does get to make the 'rules' but Christianity as a whole relies on the Bible and that's interpreted in many different ways...just like there are many different religions under the 'Christianity' umbrella. Catholicism is not the end all and be all.

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Posted by SomethingBlu

Yes, the life of an unwanted child. Unfortunately, most people that should get abortions, don't. It's so unfair to the child but the parents are on drugs, uneducated, ignorant and choose NOT TO have an abortion. It's still legal, free in most cases to low income (or no income) women and yet they choose to bring another child into this world.

And her mom is a psycho!! Are you aware that she had an aborted fetus in her kitchen sitting in a jar because she couldn't bear to part with it? Yet murdering her child is OK? This is a whole other topic. She was an ignorant monster who deserves to rot in jail and should STOP having kids...

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OMG!!!! She should be tortured and killed herself, the monster. She should be given a court-ordered hysterectomy. I just can't deal with stories like this.

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Posted by eroxgirl

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Posted by SomethingBlu

Yes, the life of an unwanted child. Unfortunately, most people that should get abortions, don't. It's so unfair to the child but the parents are on drugs, uneducated, ignorant and choose NOT TO have an abortion. It's still legal, free in most cases to low income (or no income) women and yet they choose to bring another child into this world.

And her mom is a psycho!! Are you aware that she had an aborted fetus in her kitchen sitting in a jar because she couldn't bear to part with it? Yet murdering her child is OK? This is a whole other topic. She was an ignorant monster who deserves to rot in jail and should STOP having kids...

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OMG!!!! She should be tortured and killed herself, the monster. She should be given a court-ordered hysterectomy. I just can't deal with stories like this.

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I know...I almost burst into tears when I read this. She is despicable in my eyes.

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Posted by JanuaryBride06

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Posted by carlsbride

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Posted by PrincessRose

Because Judaism is one of those religions that has 8,000 interpretations for EVERYTHING. There's an old joke that if you put 4 Jews in a room you'll get a minimum of 5 different opinions.

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Wow i had no idea, that must be confusing-I am not trying to be a smart azz I just never realized that the Torah was not the basis for Jewish law and that what was followed. But that is another topic-thanks.

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Do you know how many denominations of Christianity exist? And we all go by the New Testament, don't we?

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Yes-Catholicism is the one sect that has maintained all of the teachings from the New Testament - Protestants pick and and choose on certain social issues-you are correct. But all are united on abortion. But like I said-this is another topic entirely.

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Posted by SomethingBlu

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Posted by PrincessRose

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Posted by SomethingBlu

You are coming off as a smart azz, so if that's not your intention, you failed.

I'm not Jewish, but I can imagine that much like the Bible, it can be interpreted in many different ways. Nothing is white or black in the Bible, why would the Torah be any different?

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Thanks for sticking up for me Sasha, but she's really just come under a common misunderstanding. Catholicism is very literal about the Bible - it doesn't leave things up to interpretation, and when things are interpreted, they are interpreted by the Pope and not questioned.

So of course she sees the Torah (first 5 books of the 'Old Testament') as to be taken literally. Really it's a mistake a lot of people make.

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I really felt the need to respond because it was condescending. But really, Catholicism is not that literall and the Vatican does get to make the 'rules' but Christianity as a whole relies on the Bible and that's interpreted in many different ways...just like there are many different religions under the 'Christianity' umbrella. Catholicism is not the end all and be all.

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Catholicism is actually NOT literal about the bible. Some protestant sects do believe in a literal interpretation of the bible, catholicism does not.

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Posted by SomethingBlu

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Posted by marymoon

In freakonomics there's a chapter linking a decrease in crime over a decade after roe v. wade came down. The authors claim that fewer unwanted children were born into unhealthy situations that would later lead them to a life of crime. it's interesting

But I don't believe in abortion as birth control. If you can have sex, you have to accept the possibility that you can get pregnant, even if you're on the pill, etc

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This was a good thread you started woman!!

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I figured it would up the post count toward the 3mil (congrats laura)

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Posted by PrincessRose

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Posted by SomethingBlu

You are coming off as a smart azz, so if that's not your intention, you failed.

I'm not Jewish, but I can imagine that much like the Bible, it can be interpreted in many different ways. Nothing is white or black in the Bible, why would the Torah be any different?

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Thanks for sticking up for me Sasha, but she's really just come under a common misunderstanding. Catholicism is very literal about the Bible - it doesn't leave things up to interpretation, and when things are interpreted, they are interpreted by the Pope and not questioned.

So of course she sees the Torah (first 5 books of the 'Old Testament') as to be taken literally. Really it's a mistake a lot of people make.

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Sorry-I really am not trying to be a smart ***-I just have a different opinion then everyone.

Actually Catholicism does NOT take a literal interpretation of the bible. And no-we don't need the Pope to interpret everything for us - THAT is a common misunderstanding about Catholics.

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Posted by carlsbride

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Posted by JanuaryBride06

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Posted by carlsbride

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Posted by PrincessRose

Because Judaism is one of those religions that has 8,000 interpretations for EVERYTHING. There's an old joke that if you put 4 Jews in a room you'll get a minimum of 5 different opinions.

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Wow i had no idea, that must be confusing-I am not trying to be a smart azz I just never realized that the Torah was not the basis for Jewish law and that what was followed. But that is another topic-thanks.

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Do you know how many denominations of Christianity exist? And we all go by the New Testament, don't we?

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Yes-Catholicism is the one sect that has maintained all of the teachings from the New Testament - Protestants pick and and choose on certain social issues-you are correct. But all are united on abortion. But like I said-this is another topic entirely.

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FYI...there are way more religions under Christianity than Catholism and Protestants.


Christian types
Christians are classified by denomination, which are split resulting from arguments over doctrine. The first split was in the 5th century after the Church Council of Chalcedon. The dispute was over the personhood of Jesus. Should he be regarded as one person with two natures, or as two persons? The philosophically technical nature of the discussion and the lack of professional translators caused the split. The Christians who did not agree with the decision of the Council to excommunicate them, became the Non-Chalcedonian Orthodox. The largest Non-Chalcedonian Churches are the Coptic Orthodox in Egypt, the Ethiopian Orthodox, the Armenian, and some Lebanese Orthodox Churches. Recent discussions between the Roman Catholic Pope John Paul II and the Coptic Orthodox Pope Shenouda III concluded that they believe many of the same things after all, even though the Coptic Church does not recognise the Pope as its leader.

The second split happened in the 11th century. It is called the Great Schism. It was mostly based on personality conflicts between the Bishops of Rome and Constantinople, fuelled by cross-cultural miscommunications and some really bad behaviour on the part of the Crusaders from Western Europe. The Christians in Western Europe are led by the Bishop of Rome, known also as the Pope, and are called the Roman Catholic Church. Most Christians in Eastern Europe, Russia, and the Middle East belong to the Orthodox Churches, led by the Bishops of other cities or areas.

In the 15th century a decreased sense of tradition and the invasion of ideas from the revival of studies on the pagan world led a number of reformers over the years to develop new ideas and to break away from main-stream Christianity to found the Protestant churches. Some Catholics and Orthodox do not consider Protestants to be fully Christian. The most important of these reformers were Martin Luther and John Calvin. Later, disagreements caused these denominations to split again into smaller groups. Main Protestant denominations today are the Anglican, Lutheran, Baptist, and Presbyterian Churches.

In general, the Protestant denominations differ from the Catholic and Orthodox Churches in having having abandoned a number of the traditional sacraments, no ordained priesthood, and not having the same fondness for Mary, the mother of Jesus, that the Catholic and Orthodox churches have. The main worship service in Catholic Churches is the Mass and the main worship service in many Orthodox Churches is called the Divine Liturgy. Both services involve a ceremony with a priest where Jesus transforms a small amount of bread and wine into his actual body and blood, but without changing the accidents (appearance, taste, colour, etc.) of the bread and wine. Catholics and Orthodox Christians believe the bread and wine actually become the body and blood of their Saviour, Jesus. Catholics in particular have developed a short ceremony worshipping Jesus present in the Eucharist. This ceremony is known as Eucharistic Benediction. Some Protestant churches have ceremonies more or less similar to the Mass, but believe the bread and wine are symbolic only. Protestants also differ from Catholic and Orthodox Christians in placing more emphasis on the individual's personal conversion experience. Catholic and Orthodox Christians place the emphasis on the ongoing growth in holiness that should take place over the person's lifetime. Roman Catholic Christian spirituality often involves the use of statues and other artistic representations, candles, incense, and other physical items as reminders or aids to prayer. The Orthodox Churches also use candles, incense, and bells, and icons but there are never statues in an Orthodox Church. Orthodox Churches have a particularly well-developed spiritual-beauty connection. Orthodox and Catholic worship also involves use of gestures, such as the Sign of the Cross. The Roman Catholic sign of the cross is made by touching in sequence your forehead, chest, one shoulder, then the other shoulder. There is also bowing, kneeling, and prostration involved in Catholic and Orthodox worship. Protestants have traditionally viewed these as a temptation to idolatry, and have not incorporated as much artwork into their prayer life.

There are other denominations that do not fit into the three largest categories. Some of the larger and more important of these are:

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, often called Mormons
Jehovah's Witnesses
Unitarian Universalists
One denomination that is Protestant but has some beliefs that are different from most Protestant denominations is the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

All of these denominations are less than 200 years old. Most of them do not believe Jesus is God, or do not believe in the Trinity, or for other reasons do not believe what other Christians believe.

More than 3000 Christian denominations now exist, each a little different from the others, but all of them believe that Jesus is God. The biggest by numbers is the Catholic Church.