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You are coming off as a smart azz, so if that's not your intention, you failed.
I'm not Jewish, but I can imagine that much like the Bible, it can be interpreted in many different ways. Nothing is white or black in the Bible, why would the Torah be any different?
Thanks for sticking up for me Sasha, but she's really just come under a common misunderstanding. Catholicism is very literal about the Bible - it doesn't leave things up to interpretation, and when things are interpreted, they are interpreted by the Pope and not questioned.
So of course she sees the Torah (first 5 books of the 'Old Testament') as to be taken literally. Really it's a mistake a lot of people make.
Sorry-I really am not trying to be a smart ***-I just have a different opinion then everyone.
Actually Catholicism does NOT take a literal interpretation of the bible. And no-we don't need the Pope to interpret everything for us - THAT is a common misunderstanding about Catholics.
Also, to go back to an earlier post, I don't think that the fact that Jewish people and others do not have baby showers before the baby is born can be related with when life begins. It's more of a tradition based on the fact that in the past (and in the present) many pregnancies do not end in a healthy baby being born, miscarriages and other problesm are very common, etc
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Posted by PrincessRose
Because Judaism is one of those religions that has 8,000 interpretations for EVERYTHING. There's an old joke that if you put 4 Jews in a room you'll get a minimum of 5 different opinions.
Wow i had no idea, that must be confusing-I am not trying to be a smart azz I just never realized that the Torah was not the basis for Jewish law and that what was followed. But that is another topic-thanks.
Do you know how many denominations of Christianity exist? And we all go by the New Testament, don't we?
Yes-Catholicism is the one sect that has maintained all of the teachings from the New Testament - Protestants pick and and choose on certain social issues-you are correct. But all are united on abortion. But like I said-this is another topic entirely.
FYI...there are way more religions under Christianity than Catholism and Protestants.
Christian types
Christians are classified by denomination, which are split resulting from arguments over doctrine. The first split was in the 5th century after the Church Council of Chalcedon. The dispute was over the personhood of Jesus. Should he be regarded as one person with two natures, or as two persons? The philosophically technical nature of the discussion and the lack of professional translators caused the split. The Christians who did not agree with the decision of the Council to excommunicate them, became the Non-Chalcedonian Orthodox. The largest Non-Chalcedonian Churches are the Coptic Orthodox in Egypt, the Ethiopian Orthodox, the Armenian, and some Lebanese Orthodox Churches. Recent discussions between the Roman Catholic Pope John Paul II and the Coptic Orthodox Pope Shenouda III concluded that they believe many of the same things after all, even though the Coptic Church does not recognise the Pope as its leader.
The second split happened in the 11th century. It is called the Great Schism. It was mostly based on personality conflicts between the Bishops of Rome and Constantinople, fuelled by cross-cultural miscommunications and some really bad behaviour on the part of the Crusaders from Western Europe. The Christians in Western Europe are led by the Bishop of Rome, known also as the Pope, and are called the Roman Catholic Church. Most Christians in Eastern Europe, Russia, and the Middle East belong to the Orthodox Churches, led by the Bishops of other cities or areas.
In the 15th century a decreased sense of tradition and the invasion of ideas from the revival of studies on the pagan world led a number of reformers over the years to develop new ideas and to break away from main-stream Christianity to found the Protestant churches. Some Catholics and Orthodox do not consider Protestants to be fully Christian. The most important of these reformers were Martin Luther and John Calvin. Later, disagreements caused these denominations to split again into smaller groups. Main Protestant denominations today are the Anglican, Lutheran, Baptist, and Presbyterian Churches.
In general, the Protestant denominations differ from the Catholic and Orthodox Churches in having having abandoned a number of the traditional sacraments, no ordained priesthood, and not having the same fondness for Mary, the mother of Jesus, that the Catholic and Orthodox churches have. The main worship service in Catholic Churches is the Mass and the main worship service in many Orthodox Churches is called the Divine Liturgy. Both services involve a ceremony with a priest where Jesus transforms a small amount of bread and wine into his actual body and blood, but without changing the accidents (appearance, taste, colour, etc.) of the bread and wine. Catholics and Orthodox Christians believe the bread and wine actually become the body and blood of their Saviour, Jesus. Catholics in particular have developed a short ceremony worshipping Jesus present in the Eucharist. This ceremony is known as Eucharistic Benediction. Some Protestant churches have ceremonies more or less similar to the Mass, but believe the bread and wine are symbolic only. Protestants also differ from Catholic and Orthodox Christians in placing more emphasis on the individual's personal conversion experience. Catholic and Orthodox Christians place the emphasis on the ongoing growth in holiness that should take place over the person's lifetime. Roman Catholic Christian spirituality often involves the use of statues and other artistic representations, candles, incense, and other physical items as reminders or aids to prayer. The Orthodox Churches also use candles, incense, and bells, and icons but there are never statues in an Orthodox Church. Orthodox Churches have a particularly well-developed spiritual-beauty connection. Orthodox and Catholic worship also involves use of gestures, such as the Sign of the Cross. The Roman Catholic sign of the cross is made by touching in sequence your forehead, chest, one shoulder, then the other shoulder. There is also bowing, kneeling, and prostration involved in Catholic and Orthodox worship. Protestants have traditionally viewed these as a temptation to idolatry, and have not incorporated as much artwork into their prayer life.
There are other denominations that do not fit into the three largest categories. Some of the larger and more important of these are:
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, often called Mormons
Jehovah's Witnesses
Unitarian Universalists
One denomination that is Protestant but has some beliefs that are different from most Protestant denominations is the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
All of these denominations are less than 200 years old. Most of them do not believe Jesus is God, or do not believe in the Trinity, or for other reasons do not believe what other Christians believe.
More than 3000 Christian denominations now exist, each a little different from the others, but all of them believe that Jesus is God. The biggest by numbers is the Catholic Church.
Well it's not that simple, but in general terms, I think it's appropriate to compare Protestants and Catholics as 2 general groups for arguments sake.
Simple terms. If your religion believes in Jesus Christ, it falls under Christianity.
Posted by SomethingBlu
Simple terms. If your religion believes in Jesus Christ, it falls under Christianity.
Posted by marymoon
Posted by SomethingBlu
Simple terms. If your religion believes in Jesus Christ, it falls under Christianity.
What about Jews for Jesus?![]()
Posted by PrincessRose
I say keep R v. W as is. It probably won't be overturned, because frankly, overturning it is political suicide.
Posted by marymoon
Posted by SomethingBlu
Simple terms. If your religion believes in Jesus Christ, it falls under Christianity.
What about Jews for Jesus?![]()
Posted by PrincessRose
Posted by marymoon
Posted by SomethingBlu
Simple terms. If your religion believes in Jesus Christ, it falls under Christianity.
What about Jews for Jesus?![]()
You know Darned Well that Jews for Jesus is NOT a valid sect of Judaism. It is an arm of Christianity used for Propaganda and Missionary Work. We've had this conversation before.
Sasha is 100% right - if you think Jesus is the Messiah/Savior, then you are a Christian.
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Posted by PrincessRose
I say keep R v. W as is. It probably won't be overturned, because frankly, overturning it is political suicide.
I disagree that overturning it is political suicide. Only the Supreme Court can overturn Roe v. Wade (unless some legislation is passed effectively overturning the decision-however, the law's constitutionality would be challenged which would again bring the decision before the Supreme Court). Since Supreme Court Justices keep their positions for life, their careers won't be ruined by overturning the decision. They don't have to worry about alienating groups of supporters. I hope the Justices will respect the ruling and remain impartial when interpreting challenges to the decision. However, the future of Roe v. Wade looks a little shaky as more conservative Justices are appointed.
Posted by marymoon
Also, to go back to an earlier post, I don't think that the fact that Jewish people and others do not have baby showers before the baby is born can be related with when life begins. It's more of a tradition based on the fact that in the past (and in the present) many pregnancies do not end in a healthy baby being born, miscarriages and other problesm are very common, etc
Posted by PrincessRose
Posted by marymoon
Also, to go back to an earlier post, I don't think that the fact that Jewish people and others do not have baby showers before the baby is born can be related with when life begins. It's more of a tradition based on the fact that in the past (and in the present) many pregnancies do not end in a healthy baby being born, miscarriages and other problesm are very common, etc
And furthermore, this is not wholly the case.
There are some interpretations that say that a baby's soul doesn't enter the body until the bris or naming. A bris happens 8 days AFTER birth. There is no set procedure for the date of a naming ceremony.
Posted by marymoon
I was kidding around![]()
notice the winky face![]()
ETA: also we've had this discussion yes, so you know that I think that the concept, or general idea of jews for jesus is a good one (I personally believe it would be a good thing for christians to understand their jewish roots) but that as a group I think they're a little scary, because that's not really what they're following..
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Posted by PrincessRose
I say keep R v. W as is. It probably won't be overturned, because frankly, overturning it is political suicide.
I disagree that overturning it is political suicide. Only the Supreme Court can overturn Roe v. Wade (unless some legislation is passed effectively overturning the decision-however, the law's constitutionality would be challenged which would again bring the decision before the Supreme Court). Since Supreme Court Justices keep their positions for life, their careers won't be ruined by overturning the decision. They don't have to worry about alienating groups of supporters. I hope the Justices will respect the ruling and remain impartial when interpreting challenges to the decision. However, the future of Roe v. Wade looks a little shaky as more conservative Justices are appointed.
I kind of feel that if R v W is overturned it will open a HUGE political can of worms. I believe many women (and men) who have never been political before will start to jump up and rally against rights being taken away.
(I would not be one of them)
Even if they rally, there's still nothing they can do about it. The Supreme Court's decision is essentially final unless legislation is passed effectively overturning the decision (and that legislation would probably be challenged for its constitutionality). I'm sure there were plenty of protests when the Supreme Court decided Brown v. Board of Ed, but that didn't stop the decision from being enforced or from the Justices reconsidering the issue.
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Posted by marymoon
I was kidding around![]()
notice the winky face![]()
ETA: also we've had this discussion yes, so you know that I think that the concept, or general idea of jews for jesus is a good one (I personally believe it would be a good thing for christians to understand their jewish roots) but that as a group I think they're a little scary, because that's not really what they're following..
Some of us don't think that's very funny. A lot of Jews are rather put off by the concept of Jews for Jesus, as it is VERY disrespectful - click here - and has little to do with educating Christians.
If Christians want to understand their 'Jewish Roots' then they should study them, rather than try to convert those who practice them.
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Posted by PrincessRose
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Also, to go back to an earlier post, I don't think that the fact that Jewish people and others do not have baby showers before the baby is born can be related with when life begins. It's more of a tradition based on the fact that in the past (and in the present) many pregnancies do not end in a healthy baby being born, miscarriages and other problesm are very common, etc
And furthermore, this is not wholly the case.
There are some interpretations that say that a baby's soul doesn't enter the body until the bris or naming. A bris happens 8 days AFTER birth. There is no set procedure for the date of a naming ceremony.
I was actually going to add to the post that this is another example of 4 people, 5 answers. Just trying to say that the fact that jewish people don;t ahve baby showers is not a decisive 'aha' statement about when life begins. And I mean clearly no one would agree that you can kill a baby at 1-7 days old b/c the soul has not yet entered
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Posted by PrincessRose
Posted by marymoon
Also, to go back to an earlier post, I don't think that the fact that Jewish people and others do not have baby showers before the baby is born can be related with when life begins. It's more of a tradition based on the fact that in the past (and in the present) many pregnancies do not end in a healthy baby being born, miscarriages and other problesm are very common, etc
And furthermore, this is not wholly the case.
There are some interpretations that say that a baby's soul doesn't enter the body until the bris or naming. A bris happens 8 days AFTER birth. There is no set procedure for the date of a naming ceremony.
I was actually going to add to the post that this is another example of 4 people, 5 answers. Just trying to say that the fact that jewish people don;t ahve baby showers is not a decisive 'aha' statement about when life begins. And I mean clearly no one would agree that you can kill a baby at 1-7 days old b/c the soul has not yet entered
I missed this part.
No one would suggest killing a baby at any age, no.
My point was that the government should not legislate morality based on Christianity because other religions have different beliefs on when life begins, and I used the baby shower as one example of such.
