There was a huge pro life march on washington yesterday. I have to say I really resent some of the language the right is using in this debate
There was a rabbi who was comapring abortion with homosexuality
and people kept talking about what abortion did to them, as if abortion is an entity unto itself, like a monster
Other language I did't like was comparing abortion to the state actually killing people. It completely takes the responsibility away from people. I honestly couldn;t march either for or against legal abortion. I don't think that's the issue. No one WANTS people to have abortions. if people didn't want or need abortions legality would be irrelevent.
Oh and 'feminist pro-abortionists' they kept referring to feminism as this evil... feminism doens;t begin and end with abortion, and it's scary to think that because then the pro life movement can just disregard all of feminism>
People were also saying that the right to privacy was invented and is not guaranteed by the constitution
Thoughts?
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I'm assuming that you were born into a caring wonderful family that provided for your basic needs and then some, yes? Well then of course you are glad you were born!!!!! I'm glad I was born - I have two wonderful parents who love me and gave me all they could give.
Ask that question of any of the kids being bounced around from foster home to foster home. Ask that question of any of the kids who were 'lost in the system'. My heart goes out to these kids. There are too many who go unloved. I'm not saying we should be taking them out back and killing them. I'm saying that maybe we should spend more time focusing on them than worrying about hypothetical future children, which frankly, Fetuses are.
I know that pregnant women talk about the bond they share with the baby inside them, and I probably will someday too. But those are babies who are loved and wanted, and the bond is more than likely on the part of the mother who is already in love with this child. Heck, when we were looking to get a dog, I had her named and was already in love with her, I can only imagine how I'll be when we actually have children. Abortion's not the right choice for me. But for someone else it is.
Everyone's so worried about these future babies, but are you going to adopt them? Are you going to raise them to adulthood? Are you going to provide everything they need?
I Thought Not. So who is?
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i find this a win lose situation...
abortion can be good say a women was raped but to have an abortion cause it was a mistake when i was in bed from a hookup to very wrong.
if you old enough to have sex, you should be old enough to know the results.
This is like an escape clause to do whatever you want cause it can be fixed.
prehaps if there wasn't abortion, it would make the US a more responseable place to live and making other tuff laws to prevent dead beat parents. why should a life die cause people aren't smart enough to know the results?
at the end, people will always be upset as we can't please every because the world has to be Politcally Correct and appeal to everyone.
I respect your opinion but it frightens me that anyone would label abortion as an easy fix or an escape clause.
Amen, It is definitely not an easy anything !!!!
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When my friend lost her twins and she was 3 months pregnant - they were not fetuses to me-I cried. Did my friend want twins-probably not-but that didn't make them any less human. For some reason I feel that as a human being I have not only a responsibility to take care of myself and my own - but to also give something back, to protect those who need it. To help those who cannot help themselves-babies.
It is sad that there are children who have no home, but that doesn't make me wish they were dead, I am sure they don't wish they were dead either-that is a terrible thing to say. Women have a choice - my sil adopted a baby from a mother who chose life for her daughter - this mother was 22-from a good home-already had a child-but couldn't afford another. She Chose to give life, there are options.
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I am unsure, though the thought of the law being overturned frightens me. I don't understand how law makers are so concerned with a fetus that cannot live outside of the mother's body, yet they don't seem to care about the child once it's alive.
The old, white men who are in congress can never know the experience of a young woman who makes this incredibly painful decision.
Beyond that, I really wish that the GOP would realize that if they funded sexual education programs and encouraged condom use, that the abortion rate most likely wouldn't be as high as it is now.
I agree. So many people are anti abortion, but they are also anti-sex education. If you want less teenagers to have abortions, you need to educate them on how to protect themselves. I am pro-choice and I don't think it should be abolished - that would be an injustice to women everywhere (plus it would just result in an increase in unsafe, illegal abortion). So many people fight abortion and find it wrong, but so is the number of neglected, unloved children in this world. If someone doesn't want a child, do you really want that person to be forced to be a parent (adoption is obviously an option - but that is just another child added to a huge number of children looking for a home and living a pretty crappy life oftentimes)
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Like many other things, I do not think it should be a government issue. To have a law on this issue, regardless of whether abortion is legal or illegal, is kind of sad.
good point- they are more focused on legestating morality- gay marriage for instance in the last election- and there are many people in this country that are swayed by those type of issues
the government has much bigger problems- like finding Osama - they should focus on that
This isn't exactly what I meant.
I also do not think that Gay Marriage should be a government issue either.
There are other things that shouldn't be under Government control either. However, it has nothing to do with the original post.
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When my friend lost her twins and she was 3 months pregnant - they were not fetuses to me-I cried. Did my friend want twins-probably not-but that didn't make them any less human. For some reason I feel that as a human being I have not only a responsibility to take care of myself and my own - but to also give something back, to protect those who need it. To help those who cannot help themselves-babies.
It is sad that there are children who have no home, but that doesn't make me wish they were dead, I am sure they don't wish they were dead either-that is a terrible thing to say. Women have a choice - my sil adopted a baby from a mother who chose life for her daughter - this mother was 22-from a good home-already had a child-but couldn't afford another. She Chose to give life, there are options.
You are correct, there are options...they are abortion, adoption or keeping the baby. No one should be able to tell anyone else what to do with her body, bottom line
JanuaryBride06
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She Chose to give life, there are options.
The point is she had a CHOICE and everyone should be able to make that choice for themselves.
carlsbride
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She Chose to give life, there are options.
The point is she had a CHOICE and everyone should be able to make that choice for themselves.
My point was there are better options other than murder
stephanief
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She Chose to give life, there are options.
The point is she had a CHOICE and everyone should be able to make that choice for themselves.
My point was there are better options other than murder
you can call it whatever you want, I think it is wonderful that you are not making the choice for all of us.
JanuaryBride06
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She Chose to give life, there are options.
The point is she had a CHOICE and everyone should be able to make that choice for themselves.
My point was there are better options other than murder
It's a question of when you think life begins. And no matter when you or I think it begins, no one has a right to legislate what women can and can't do with their bodies.
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My point was there are better options other than murder
but that's only b/c in eyes it's murder- not in the eyes of the law
carlsbride
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My point was there are better options other than murder
but that's only b/c in eyes it's murder- not in the eyes of the law
A law made by man - man does not create life - why should man have a right to take it away
lipglossjunky73
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UMMMM - Does anybody else think that maybe this is a bit too heavy for LIW - even in NWR?
As soon as someone posts about religion, sexuality, politics, and abortion, a brawl is not too far behind - JMO - I posted at first, and then was getting worried at where this whole thread was going!!!
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Posted by carlsbride
Posted by Beth1210
My point was there are better options other than murder
but that's only b/c in eyes it's murder- not in the eyes of the law
A law made by man - man does not create life - why should man have a right to take it away
Man doesn't create life....man and woman don't create life? OK, now I am confused. If I do not believe in g0d, then who creates life? Please enlighten me
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UMMMM - Does anybody else think that maybe this is a bit too heavy for LIW - even in NWR?
As soon as someone posts about religion, sexuality, politics, and abortion, a brawl is not too far behind - JMO - I posted at first, and then was getting worried at where this whole thread was going!!!
I think it's healthy to debate serious issues that affect us all......
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A law made by man - man does not create life - why should man have a right to take it away
I am sorry- but this just getting out of hand- I believe in science- and not that God makes babies
the egg gets fertilized by the sperm- I don't see how man doesn't play a role in that
JanuaryBride06
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Posted by lipglossjunky73
UMMMM - Does anybody else think that maybe this is a bit too heavy for LIW - even in NWR?
As soon as someone posts about religion, sexuality, politics, and abortion, a brawl is not too far behind - JMO - I posted at first, and then was getting worried at where this whole thread was going!!!
Where else could it go, though? It's heavy, yes, but it's relevant and people need to understand what the other side thinks. Not try to CHANGE anyone's minds, because you can't, but hopefully, what some people take away from this intense talk is why people think the way that they do.
lipglossjunky73
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no - I'm just saying there are people getting pretty heated here - and things like this tend to go poorly - but carry on ladies!!!
<------------- pacifist at heart
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She Chose to give life, there are options.
The point is she had a CHOICE and everyone should be able to make that choice for themselves.
My point was there are better options other than murder
just because you would not have an abortion, does not mean that no one else should. give the 'murder' talk a rest alright.
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It's a question of when you think life begins. And no matter when you or I think it begins, no one has a right to legislate what women can and can't do with their.
Exactly - is it a life the exact moment the sperm and egg combine? is it a life when it develops a nervous system and thus can feel pain and is considered sentient? or is it a life when it can survive on its own independent of its mother? It is hard to agree on what is right or wrong, when people have a hard time agreeing when a fetus is a life.