There was a huge pro life march on washington yesterday. I have to say I really resent some of the language the right is using in this debate
There was a rabbi who was comapring abortion with homosexuality
and people kept talking about what abortion did to them, as if abortion is an entity unto itself, like a monster
Other language I did't like was comparing abortion to the state actually killing people. It completely takes the responsibility away from people. I honestly couldn;t march either for or against legal abortion. I don't think that's the issue. No one WANTS people to have abortions. if people didn't want or need abortions legality would be irrelevent.
Oh and 'feminist pro-abortionists' they kept referring to feminism as this evil... feminism doens;t begin and end with abortion, and it's scary to think that because then the pro life movement can just disregard all of feminism>
People were also saying that the right to privacy was invented and is not guaranteed by the constitution
Thoughts?
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All I am going to say is after a certain amount of weeks, when most women already know they are pregnant and have had time to think about their options, it should NOT be legal unless the mothers health is at risk. Now woman should wait until the last few weeks of pregnancy and then decide to have one.
They still do late term abortions up until birth. If you checked out how and knew the baby could feel pain I think most of you would agree with me. Its the sickest most horrible, brutal act, and I can not believe we as humans do it.
Just my opinion.
I completely agree with your viewpoint on partial birth abortions. I think most would say how gruesome and horrifying this act is. There is pain involved for the baby, that is a proven fact-and the process involved is absolutely disgusting. I'm sorry, I too cannot believe how anyone could ever go through this and feel ok about themselves. Its very upsetting.
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edited: I would have chosen 'No, Thank God'
JanuaryBride06
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Sorry I accidentallyt hit enter..there was supposed to be a 5th choice 'no, thank god'
This was supposed to the be 5th choice
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52% of all abortions occur before the 9th week of pregnancy, 25% happen between the 9th & 10th week, 12% happen between the 11th and 12th week, 6% happen between the 13th & 15th week, 4% happen between the 16th & 20th week, and 1% of all abortions (16,450/yr.) happen after the 20th week of pregnancy.
You should always know what you are discussing. Here are the statistics of when abortions occur. This is in the United States.
Thanks-I was just about to post this - in 2003 there were 1.5% or 19, 650 abortions performed at 21 weeks or MORE. Full term is 37 weeks.
People should always remember that there are three kinds of lies in this world: Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics.
We don't know the circumstances of those abortions, and we're not the ones to judge those circumstances. I know someone who's had an abortion and regrets it deeply. But She's Still Pro-Choice because it isn't her place, or anyone's place for that matter, to judge or legislate 'morality'.
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Here are the rest:
Who's having abortions (age)? 52% of women obtaining abortions in the U.S. are younger than 25: Women aged 20-24 obtain 32% of all abortions; Teenagers obtain 20% and girls under 15 account for 1.2%.
Who's having abortions (race)? While white women obtain 60% of all abortions, their abortion rate is well below that of minority women. Black women are more than 3 times as likely as white women to have an abortion, and Hispanic women are roughly 2 times as likely.
Who's having abortions (marital status)? 64.4% of all abortions are performed on never-married women; Married women account for 18.4% of all abortions and divorced women obtain 9.4%.
Who's having abortions (religion)? Women identifying themselves as Protestants obtain 37.4% of all abortions in the U.S.; Catholic women account for 31.3%, Jewish women account for 1.3%, and women with no religious affiliation obtain 23.7% of all abortions. 18% of all abortions are performed on women who identify themselves as 'Born-again/Evangelical'.
Who's having abortions (income)? Women with family incomes less than $15,000 obtain 28.7% of all abortions; Women with family incomes between $15,000 and $29,999 obtain 19.5%; Women with family incomes between $30,000 and $59,999 obtain 38.0%; Women with family incomes over $60,000 obtain 13.8%.
Why women have abortions 1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child, and 93% of all abortions occur for social reasons (i.e. the child is unwanted or inconvenient).
At what gestational ages are abortions performed: 52% of all abortions occur before the 9th week of pregnancy, 25% happen between the 9th & 10th week, 12% happen between the 11th and 12th week, 6% happen between the 13th & 15th week, 4% happen between the 16th & 20th week, and 1% of all abortions (16,450/yr.) happen after the 20th week of pregnancy.
Likelihood of abortion: An estimated 43% of all women will have at least 1 abortion by the time they are 45 years old. 47% of all abortions are performed on women who have had at least one previous abortion.
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Thanks-I was just about to post this - in 2003 there were 1.5% or 19, 650 abortions performed at 21 weeks or MORE. Full term is 37 weeks.
People should always remember that there are three kinds of lies in this world: Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics.
We don't know the circumstances of those abortions, and we're not the ones to judge those circumstances. I know someone who's had an abortion and regrets it deeply. But She's Still Pro-Choice because it isn't her place, or anyone's place for that matter, to judge or legislate 'morality'.
I agree- the mother could have been at risk or the baby might have a serve birth defect- I do not agree with 3rd terimester abortions- and since that is NOT covered under Roe V wade for the 1 millionth time- it's really not the issue
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Nobody should say it's illegal or legal - it should be a woman's choice.
Abortions should definitely not be a means of birth control, but it does happen this way.
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Bottom line...
women should have the right to choose! END OF STORY!
you don't want one? good for you, congrats! I personally would not have one either. but keep your nose out of other people's business!
abortion is legal, so no one has the right to tell others what they can or can't do.
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I am pro chioce and I am hoping that it is not over-turned but that is JMO
I agree- it would be a huge step backwards for the womens's movement
I think it's really easy for a rich, white man to say it should be illegal- they should walk a day in the shoes of scared, pregant, poor 14 year old and then decide
but this goes back to education and why is a 14 year old having unprotected sex...
this isn't to say not all young childern know what to do with childern, i have serveral cousins that had babies at a young age 15...and they are doing great. it depends on the education, family and enviroment
and part of the problem is that it's called a women's movement. granted the female has to carry and adopt to the whole process, but who is to say at any point, i don't want to do this anymore of consenting with a male to bring a new life to this world. and why doesn't a male have a say in it when it's his alway when its consented?
that is true, i do agree with the notion that the world will be even worse off if it were overturned. what im saying is there needs to be a way to not 'depend' on abortion...
ah...it's much easier for the man to walk away from the situation and disappear. Much harder for the woman. In fact, it really is the woman's responsibility The courts also award custody to the women of divorce more than the man. It's societal.
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Bottom line...
women should have the right to choose! END OF STORY!
you don't want one? good for you, congrats! I personally would not have one either. but keep your nose out of other people's business!
abortion is legal, so no one has the right to tell others what they can or can't do.
very well said!
personally I wouldn't have one- but I want the right to choose
I don't think you can judge some one if you haven't been in their shoes- I don't think it's anyone's first choice
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Posted by diluvchu
52% of all abortions occur before the 9th week of pregnancy, 25% happen between the 9th & 10th week, 12% happen between the 11th and 12th week, 6% happen between the 13th & 15th week, 4% happen between the 16th & 20th week, and 1% of all abortions (16,450/yr.) happen after the 20th week of pregnancy.
You should always know what you are discussing. Here are the statistics of when abortions occur. This is in the United States.
Thanks-I was just about to post this - in 2003 there were 1.5% or 19, 650 abortions performed at 21 weeks or MORE. Full term is 37 weeks.
People should always remember that there are three kinds of lies in this world: Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics.
We don't know the circumstances of those abortions, and we're not the ones to judge those circumstances. I know someone who's had an abortion and regrets it deeply. But She's Still Pro-Choice because it isn't her place, or anyone's place for that matter, to judge or legislate 'morality'.
This was posted in respone to the people who kept saying late term abortions were illegal or not part of this dissussion-this is proof that they are done. I posted no comment re: circumstances-these are statistical facts re: numbers-that is all.
Sources: The Alan Guttmacher Institute, 'Induced Abortion' Facts in Brief (2003). Ibid. The Alan Guttmacher Institute, 'Abortion in Context: United States and Worldwide' Issues in Brief, 1999 No. 1 (1999). The Alan Guttmacher Institute, “Abortion Incidence and Services In the United States in 2000.” Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health, Vol. 35, (Jan/Feb 2003).
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This was posted in respone to the people who kept saying late term abortions were illegal or not part of this dissussion-this is proof that they are done. I posted no comment re: circumstances-these are statistical facts re: numbers-that is all.
Understood. They are done. But those statistics don't say whether or not those 1% were done to save the mother's life, because the baby was drastically unhealthy, or because someone got flakey and decided they didn't want to have the baby.
Statistics can mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people. That was my point - these are only numbers, they don't mean much.
I still think a child who didn't ask to come into this world doesn't deserve to come into it unloved and unwanted. Those scars run deeper.
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I really hope they don't change it. If you don't believe in abortion, then don't have one. What works for you may not work for other people.
I always find it interesting that most of the people who are Anti-Abortion are also the same people who want to cut programs for children and would never adopt or be a foster parent.
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I really hope they don't change it. If you don't believe in abortion, then don't have one. What works for you may not work for other people.
I always find it interesting that most of the people who are Anti-Abortion are also the same people who want to cut programs for children and would never adopt or be a foster parent.
I have a friend whose parents have adopted 10 children (yes, 10!) in addition to the 3 children they had together. Whenever someone brings up abortion to her, she says, 'They can't reverse roe v. wade -- my parents ran out of room in their house.'
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I have a friend whose parents has adopted 10 children (yes, 10!) in addition to the 3 children they had together. Whenever someone brings up abortion to her, she says, 'They can't reverse roe v. wade -- my parents ran out of room in their house.'
That's hilarious and heartbreaking all at the same time.
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I really hope they don't change it. If you don't believe in abortion, then don't have one. What works for you may not work for other people.
I always find it interesting that most of the people who are Anti-Abortion are also the same people who want to cut programs for children and would never adopt or be a foster parent.
I have a friend whose parents has adopted 10 children (yes, 10!) in addition to the 3 children they had together. Whenever someone brings up abortion to her, she says, 'They can't reverse roe v. wade -- my parents ran out of room in their house.'
Wow, talk about full house. That is wonderful to know. My mom is anti abortion, but also pro choice and she had two foster children when I was younger. She raised me not to judge others but to help people instead. ETA: It is a shame that more people aren't as giving as your friend's parents.
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This was posted in response to the people who kept saying late term abortions were illegal or not part of this discussion-this is proof that they are done. I posted no comment re: circumstances-these are statistical facts re: numbers-that is all.
Understood. They are done. But those statistics don't say whether or not those 1% were done to save the mother's life, because the baby was drastically unhealthy, or because someone got flakey and decided they didn't want to have the baby.
Statistics can mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people. That was my point - these are only numbers, they don't mean much.
I still think a child who didn't ask to come into this world doesn't deserve to come into it unloved and unwanted. Those scars run deeper.
I don't know of anyone that asked to be born - I know I didn't - but I am glad I was. I don't know of any child that was asked to be murdered, either. We should not be playing God - who deserves to be born or who deserves to die should not be decided by another human being. Life is precious, we are turning into a culture of death.
I think those numbers do mean something - they represent the number of lives that were taken, the number of babies that were killed-that means alot in my book. As for reasons on the above statistics - as you can see only 7% of abortions performed are for health reasons or rape-the rest are performed as a form of birth control:
21% can't afford a baby 21% are unready for responsibility 16% concerned about how having a baby could change their lives 12% have problems with relationship or want to avoid single parenthood 11% are not mature enough/are too young to have children 8% have all the children they want/have all grown-up children 3% possible fetal health problem 3% maternal health problem 1% pregnancy resulted from rape or incest 1% husband/partner wants them to have abortion 1% don?t want others to know they had sex or are pregnant
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No one knows when exactly life begins. Some believe it begins at conception; some believe it begins when a fetus is viable (can live outside the womb). That doesn't clear up the debate, but where we stand on this can really affect where we stand on abortion.
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I am quietly pro-life. I rarely voice my opinion on these kinds of topics, and I have no idea why I'm posting now.
I do not think Roe V. Wade will ever be overturned. I think that we are too far in one direction to do that.
Like many other things, I do not think it should be a government issue. To have a law on this issue, regardless of whether abortion is legal or illegal, is kind of sad.
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Like many other things, I do not think it should be a government issue. To have a law on this issue, regardless of whether abortion is legal or illegal, is kind of sad.
good point- they are more focused on legestating morality- gay marriage for instance in the last election- and there are many people in this country that are swayed by those type of issues
the government has much bigger problems- like finding Osama - they should focus on that