Did anyone see that girl in some school who turned her back and refused to do the pledge of allegiance?
Original post by NovemberSue
It made me sick.If she has a problem with living in this country,she should go live in another country and see if she has it that easy there!
alina
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Novemberbride: Perhaps you should tell us how bad it is to live in other democratic countries? I really hope that you have more sources than just the TV pictures of IRAQ or other non-democratic nations.
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The news article on CNN actually does give her reason in quotes. The truth is, she doesn't really owe an explanation. I can definitely see both sides of the argument here, but I think her 1st amendment right should prevail. Anyway, it's Friday! Let's agree to disagree
NovemberSue
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I think the girl has to learn a lot about life in other countries so she can appreciate her freedom here. It just really urks me when people don't appreciate how lucky they are to live in a country like this as compared to how the poor people are living in some of the other countries around the world!
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marnles...I think 'to the republic for which it stands' is meant for the government...
just because someone does not say the pledge for whatever reason...does not mean that they are not loyal...
november...I didn't see it, so I shouldn't really comment...it is hearsay to me...
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But how do we know she doesn't appreciate her country? I know this is a bad example, but just because I might complain about DH not doing the dishes doesn't mean I don't appreciate him otherwise. I dont take him for granted, but at the same time I may not think it's fair.
I agree that we should all be grateful for what we have, and count our blessings. I also think you can be grateful and appreciate what we have in this country as well as speak up for justice.
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For the girl that turned her back on the American Flag, I believe she said she was doing that because she opposes the way America is handling the Iraq situation. It kind of strikes me funny that she is opposing a country that fights for freedom to give people the right to turn their backs on the flag. Seems ironic.
For the girl that doesn't want to say the Pledge of Allegiance, that is also her right to do so but seems just as ironic to me. If she opposes saying the word god than she should omit it when she says the pledge or just stay silent. The pledge is to show patriotism to the flag and county and not a way to promote god.
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I disagree with you Yabbo. I think not saying the pledge/turning your back on the flag are one in the same. She is not a loyal citizen IMO, and does not deserve to have the same rights, if she does not appreciate the rights of American citizens as written in the Constitution and enforced by the government.
I must agree that we should agree to disagree on this. Because of course we could go back and forth and probably never change each others opinions; nor do I want to. What I will say is that I respect that all of us have our own and can be mature enough to discuss them...whether they are the same or not. I'm done now.
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Well lets look at this way, next time I am introduced to someone whom I dont like or believe in I will turn my back. It works both ways. Now thats pretty rude. You could be polite.
Its the same principle
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So let me get this. This woman is a student at a New York college, plays basketball, can study anything she likes, take that education, go anywhere in the world, do whatever she pleases with this eductation, get a job pretty much anywhere she wishes so long as she gets decent grades...and she's opressed by the US government?
Riiiiight.
Oh, and I wonder if her education is being paid for by any government subsidized school loans. I'd love to hear about it.
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Wacky, that's true, doing what she did at her games was not the best place for her to do this. One of the articles said that you wouldn't do this in your workplace and that her being part of the team was her priveledge, not her right.
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Look you dont have to like everything in this country.
It is your right. But what about being polite, or respecting others. What happened to those.
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Toni Smith turns her back on the National Anthem, which I think is TOTALLY disrepectful of being an AMERICAN
NovemberSue
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Mistyeyed, WELL SAID!!!!!!!
dkga1026
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She didn't say she was oppressed. She thinks the US government should be more concerned about fixing things at home rather than going overseas to free other societies of oppressive governments. Whether we agree with her or not, we can't take away her right to voice this.
I think the irony in all of this is that we are over in Iraq trying to free a society who isn't allowed to speak out against their government - they live in fear - and yet we denounce someone who does it here. Freedom of speech does not only apply to speech we like to hear - that is the drawback of living in a free and democratic society - you also have to give a fair chance to those who say what you don't like.
Okay, I am off my soapbox now.
alina
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How was this girl disrespectful of others by turning her back to the flag? She didn't interrupt the pledge, and all other people should only be concerned with their behavior, not so much hers, when saying the pledge.
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dkga1026, I agree with you on the gov't paying more attention to this country, rather than trying to 'democratize' others... All too often the democratizations are left half undone, and often the people in those countries are worse off in democracy than they were with other forms of gov't
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misty...I'm not really sure...but I think there are 2 different stories...the basketball player...and now a student...but I am not familiar with the later one...
Marni...so you are saying that I am not a loyal citizen...and [do] not deserve to have the same rights, if [I do] not appreciate the rights of American citizens as written in the Constitution and enforced by the government.
This hurt me alot because I am a loyal citizen...and I LOVE the US and appreciate everything I have (which believe me, right now is not a lot)...and I use my Constitutional rights, such as the 1st amendment, as symbolic speech...
this is allowed in the US...a citizen (non-military) does NOT have to say the pledge...nor do they have to stand...the protocol is that the person cannot disrupt someone else from saying it if they choose..
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annie..that makes me very sad that you would condone violence
wacky
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Well then I guess from now on I can do as I please when I encounter, people of different religions, ethnic backgrounds or color that I dont like.
You can do things without believing in them.
It the same ****. Its a sporting event and saying the Pledge is customary.
I worked in a medical office in a very orthodox jewish neighborhood and many of the patients wanted only the doctor (male) to touch them, which just couldnt be. I was the medical assistant (female)
Sometimes you have to bend your rules and beliefs thats life. Thats why We Are A Melting Pot.
NovemberSue
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This girl I believe was in college so she shouldn't be so naive. I never heard her give any explanation for what she was doing.She was asked by the media and remained silent.
