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Girls who are on the heavy side.

Original post by june262004

Has anyone thought of having the surgery. Everyone I talk to about it is so against it. I was talking to my best friend about this girl I saw from High school who had it done and looked great and my friend was like that is so bad that she is so young and had it done. Ya well she was never overweight so how does she know how hard it is. Some times I just feel like Im stuck and anything I do can't help me. Ive tried.

exotica776 Posted:

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Posted by mrsmeri1104

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Ok so you have the surgery (it was covered by insurance) and everything turns out great but because you lost the weight at such a rapid rate now you have all this hanging skin. Do you have the extra $25,000 or so it is going to cost you to have the plastic surgery to have it removed? This is also a down side to losing the weight so fast.



this is true, my coworkers sister had this done. at the time she was about 26 years old and weighed something like 425lbs her insurance covered the surgery, she is now a size 12 and its been about 3 years or so. however she has a ton of skin that needs to be removed. insurance wont cover it because its considered 'cosmetic' and she doesnt have the almost 30k to have the surgery done right now. just another thought for you.
dpli Posted:

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Posted by skew


Posted by dpli

If you have never been overweight it is difficult to describe why it can be so challenging to lose and it is usually more complicated than having willpower.



actually i WAS a little chunky at one time (freshman year) and i was determined to lose the weight. yes it was hard but i WAS determined to lose the weight and then some. IMO, it's a matter of conditioning the mind (AGAIN, health issues excuded).




I only said that b/c you mentioned in your first post that you didn't think you could relate b/c you weren't overweight. I wasn't trying to attack you or anything.

I loved watching the Biggest Loser, mostly because they did do it without surgery. I just hope they can continue to keep it off without the personal trainers and help they had on the show. It was also interesting to see how they talked about being overweight. I think in some cases, food is an addiction and needs to be dealt with through therapy as well as changing habits. I often times am saddened when I see the anger and hostility directed at obese people simply because they are obese. While I wouldn't do the surgery myself, I can understand on an emotional level why people are tempted to have it.
skew Posted:

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Posted by skew


Posted by dpli

If you have never been overweight it is difficult to describe why it can be so challenging to lose and it is usually more complicated than having willpower.



actually i WAS a little chunky at one time (freshman year) and i was determined to lose the weight. yes it was hard but i WAS determined to lose the weight and then some. IMO, it's a matter of conditioning the mind (AGAIN, health issues excuded).




I only said that b/c you mentioned in your first post that you didn't think you could relate b/c you weren't overweight. I wasn't trying to attack you or anything.
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OH NO NO, i wasn't trying to be defensive. sorry if i came off that way.
Pookiesangel Posted:

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Beware, my spelling *****!!


Okay here is my two cents for whatever it's worth to those who read it.

Research shows that obesity surgery benefits outweigh the risks by more than 70%.

Those who are morbidly obese, meaning a BMI over 40 or above, usually have risk factors, like high blood pressure, heart disease, sleep apena, diabetes, etc.

I had the surgery, twice actually.

The first time I had my surgery I was 519 pounds, and at age 28 was worried that I would get some of the above since heart plms and diabetes run in my family. I lost 170lbs with the first surgery.
I instantly had more energy, freedom of movement, basically I had my life back, I could enjoy things again. I even started dating again and being social, that actually brought FH into my life.

About a year ago I started to gain weight back and it freaked me out.. so I went to see a whole bunch of doctors and had a good amount of test done to see what was wrong, I found out two things, one my orginally surgery wasn't done correctly and I had a massive henia under my surgery scar. So I went to have a revision and hernia repair in Feb, and have since lost about 40 pounds...

Choosing to have this surgery is not easy, you give up ALOT, you will never eat the same way again, or feel the same way about food again. Your body goes through massive changes, due to the simple fact that for the first 6 to 8 months your practically starving yourself until your pouch (smaller stomach) gives a bit and you can eat a normal portion without getting sick (throwing up). You are on supplements for the rest of your life, and when you reach your goal, you will probably have to have another surgery..plastic surgery since no amount of excersise will put back all the hanging skin you will have.

Having the surgery is a personal choice, I made it for two reasons, wanting to make sure I didn't have to suffer as my father, grandmother and aunt due with diabetes and heart plms and secondly my desire to have children, at 500 or 300 getting pregant could have been a major health issue.

In the end, the vast majority of people who have had weight loss surgery do go on to lead happy and HEALTHIER lives..

Please check out this website for more information and if you need a referral to a doctor please FM, for my second surgery I had it done at Winthrop and from the surgeons to the nurses I couldn't have been treated better.

ObesityHelp

ETA: I went back and read some of the posts about excersise and people who have WLS (weight loss surgery) also have to go it. I mean isn't excercise just part of life, regardless if your big or small?
june262004 Posted:

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Thanks Jen
Pookiesangel Posted:

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Posted by june262004

Thanks Jen



I was hoping you would read it before I left.. if you have any questions let me know.. there is another Bride on here who had it done and she has helped me alot too.. so we are around if ya have questions...
june262004 Posted:

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Thank you so much Jen. Im so glad you are recovering and feeling better.
ambersmom Posted:

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Jenn, thank you for sharing that very personal experience. I have considered it moreso since one of my client's is a big supporter and I can't believe how drastically her life has improved. It's not all about vanity (although I would be lying if I said that didn't play into it). I have some health issues that do play into my consideration of this and I want to see my baby girl graduate from high school. Traditional weight loss methods are just not working for me right now.

cabooct7 Posted:

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It's not a cure for bad eating habits. You have to realize that you are only supposed to eat
1-2oz of food at a time. Picture a cube of cheese!
june262004 Posted:

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Posted by cabooct7

It's not a cure for bad eating habits. You have to realize that you are only supposed to eat
1-2oz of food at a time. Picture a cube of cheese!



did you read this thread?
February05 Posted:

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Posted by june262004


Posted by cabooct7

It's not a cure for bad eating habits. You have to realize that you are only supposed to eat
1-2oz of food at a time. Picture a cube of cheese!



did you read this thread?



she's right though... when you first get the surgery, you cannot exceed 3 oz, and have to wait until it is 'digested' until you can eat again or you will get violently sick. and 3 oz is Basically the size of a big cheese cube

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Goldi1021 Posted:

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Posted by TracyInQueens

IMO, someone cuttting you open and rearranging your insides is not a 'quick fix' by any means.



THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!!

I had the gastric bypass surgery as well. My procedure was done a little over 2 and a half years ago in the summer of 2002. I lost 115 pounds. I went from a size 24 to a size 8/10 and I have never been healthier in my life.

I find it amazing how many of the posters here speak vicariously through other people's experiences. Unless you have lived through the experience of this surgery yourself, it is very hard to give an accurate account about it. Everyone's experience is different.

Having this surgery was a very personal and difficult decision. It was long researched. Anyone who has this surgery needs to make informed decisions. It is not something to take lightly. It is not something to do unless you have exhausted every effort possible. Even the best of surgeons will ask you to have 6 consistent months of doctor supervised diet attempts before they will do the surgery. Insurance companies won't approve you for surgery unless this is done as well.

Yes you can die from the surgery. One in 200 die on the table. But more than that die from heart attacks, diabetes related problems, high blood pressure and sleep apnea - ALL OF WHICH are associated with obesity. There are risks to every type of surgery. That is fact. When you go to get a tooth pulled, you sign a release that there are risks involved, but would it keep you from pulling the tooth? I hardly doubt it. A person can die in heart surgery, but would it keep someone from having it just so you can die from a heart attack? I don't think so. This is nothing short of the same thing.

Another fact that I am sure many of you know (or maybe you don't) is that 95% of people who go on diets will gain it back. Those numbers are NOT good. It is also not good for the heart to gain and lose and gain and lose. It is too much stress.

I was quite a success story as far as this surgery goes. I was a borderline diabetic with high blood pressure and joint problems in my knees. I had difficulty breathing and doing everyday tasks that most people take for granted. I followed everything that my doctor told me to do. I used a nutritionist and a personal trainer. I started working out at the gym three times a week as soon as I got medical release from my surgeon (6 weeks post op) and 6 weeks after that, I started abdominal work. I have continued that exercise regimen to this day.

I saw my future ahead of me. My mother had been over 300 pounds for as long as I can remember. She has every obesity related illnes you can think of - diabetes, high BP, high cholesterol, you name it. That was not the life I wanted for myself. I needed a better quality of life than I had - now I have it.

It is important to realize that the surgery does not make you lose weight. What the surgery is, is a tool that puts people on an even playing field. It makes your stomach smaller allowing you to only consume a certain volume and by bypassing the small intestine, you do not absorb the calories (as well as nutrients - thus creating the need to take supplements for the rest of your life). It is also important to know that only 15% of people who have gastric bypass will reach their ideal body weight. I started at 260 and I am now 145 and never healthier in my whole life.

It is essential for a gastric bypass patient to exercise. Without exercise, the even playing field you have just given yourself is useless. Those who do not exercise do not have the same results as those who don't. I am not talking about those who CAN'T exercise because of skin interference. Yes I have some loose skin but I minimized my need for plastic surgery because I exercised. I have also reshaped my body into something I never could have dreamed of. Gastric bypass didn't do that - EXERCISE did.

As far as having children goes, it isn't hard at all. Surgeons will say that a person can expect to lose all of the weight from surgery within a year and a half. A woman should wait until her weight has stabilized before she tries to conceive. That makes logical sense. By the time that happens, the pouch has stretched enough that the expectant mother can take in enough nutrients and calories she needs to have a healthy baby combined with prenatal and other vitamins. After a drastic weight loss, women are much more fertile. There are many women who were infertile before they lost weight. Gastric bypass patients are often told to double up on birth control because of hyper-fertility.

Another thing to consider in regard to having children is this. SOME women who are obese are often considered high risk pregnancies. They have more incidences of gestational diabetes. SOME women who are obese also have more of a chance of having a child with a disability - developmental or otherwise. In essence, they MAY put themselves AND their unborn child at risk. I teach special ed and have done extensive research in this area. NOTE -I did say SOME not ALL women.

I am an active participant in gastric bypass support groups. I have been interviewed by Allure magazine and have been featured in a national television news feed in regard to this topic. I was asked by my surgeon to participate in these events because I did what I was told to do.

I am not a poster child for this procedure, but I am informed. If this helps anyone gain a better understanding of what gastric bypass is like, then I am glad. However, there will always be naysayers and negativity. If you are a person who wishes to or is going to have gastric bypass, you are making a very brave decision to extend your life with better quality.

Before and After pics:
February05 Posted:

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goldi... you look amazing! and im sooo happy for you that everything turned out so great (well, not that it 'turned out'... it obviously took alot of work on your part)... but im glad that it all paid off.


i had a question though, and i, in NO way, mean to challenge anything you said, but more for my own information.

my father has actually been going to doctors for the last year regarding this procedure. (originally he was TOO obese that they didnt even want to do the procedure on him b/c it was too high risk). He's read alot about it, and still hasnt made a final decision b/c some of his research seems to bring him around in circles.... anyway, back to the question...

with the # that you wrote.. that 1 in 200 die on the table.... My fathers (current) Dr. told him bascially the same amount... BUT said that those numbers arent a true representation of the risks of the procedure, as many people have complications that follow and are related to the surgery itself. i honestly dont remember the exact number itself but it was something like for every 1 in 200 that die on the table, there are also another 40-50 that pass away shortly after or have Extreme permanent complications due to the procedure. Please know that im not challenging what you say... BUT as my dad is still considering getting this done, i really want to know ALL sides... especially those that have gone through it
Goldi1021 Posted:

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Posted by neeniebean86

goldi... you look amazing! and im sooo happy for you that everything turned out so great (well, not that it 'turned out'... it obviously took alot of work on your part)... but im glad that it all paid off.


i had a question though, and i, in NO way, mean to challenge anything you said, but more for my own information.

my father has actually been going to doctors for the last year regarding this procedure. (originally he was TOO obese that they didnt even want to do the procedure on him b/c it was too high risk). He's read alot about it, and still hasnt made a final decision b/c some of his research seems to bring him around in circles.... anyway, back to the question...

with the # that you wrote.. that 1 in 200 die on the table.... My fathers (current) Dr. told him bascially the same amount... BUT said that those numbers arent a true representation of the risks of the procedure, as many people have complications that follow and are related to the surgery itself. i honestly dont remember the exact number itself but it was something like for every 1 in 200 that die on the table, there are also another 40-50 that pass away shortly after or have Extreme permanent complications due to the procedure. Please know that im not challenging what you say... BUT as my dad is still considering getting this done, i really want to know ALL sides... especially those that have gone through it



Thank you for your kind words. It was a lot of work. This surgery gets more negative publicity than positive unfortunately. and I don't consider any of your questions to be challenging or invasive in any way.

There are many patients who are deemed too heavy for the procedure for a few reasons. One may be that if the patient is to have the procedure done laparoscopically, the instruments are not long enough to reach the stomach and the intestines to do the work. He may opt to have the procedure done open with an incision that runs about 3 inches long. Also, it makes sense that the fewer comorbidities you have going in, the less of a chance you have of more risks during and after surgery. In other words, the less you weigh going in, the less risks you have.

As far as the numbers go, your father's doctor was right. The only statistic I gave was the number that die on the table. There are many types of complications that people can have. I am fortunate not to have had any. Some may be strictures (when the opening to the stoma gets blocked. A long term issue may be vitamin deficiencies. As far as I know, the surgical team I used is top notch, performing the surgery on high profile people. FM me if you would like names, I would be more than happy to help.

What your father has to decide is whether or not the benefits outweigh the risks. If he is in danger of a heart attack or a diabetic, think of what he may have to endure if he doesn't do something to improve his health. It could be heart surgery or years of insulin dependency. I watched my mom just have triple bypass open heart. Unfortunately, she is too old to have weight loss surgery otherwise, I would have put her on the table next to me. No matter if your father decides to lose weight through diet and exercise, medicine or surgery, he is going to need support from his family. It isn't an easy decision. I hope this helps.
February05 Posted:

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Thank you

(i bookmarked this so i can tell him both yours and pookies stories/ experiences. i'll FM anything else)... thank you again for taking the time to share all of this!!!!
Goldi1021 Posted:

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I am glad I can help. It is a pleasure when people take the time to read and inform themselves as opposed to making uninformed judgements. Good luck again.

june262004 Posted:

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Posted by june262004


Posted by cabooct7

It's not a cure for bad eating habits. You have to realize that you are only supposed to eat
1-2oz of food at a time. Picture a cube of cheese!



did you read this thread?



she's right though... when you first get the surgery, you cannot exceed 3 oz, and have to wait until it is 'digested' until you can eat again or you will get violently sick. and 3 oz is Basically the size of a big cheese cube

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And Im pretty sure I even said I knew that. I said it would give me a 'jump start' as someone else put it. I know people who had it done. I know how much you can eat.
February05 Posted:

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Posted by june262004
And Im pretty sure I even said I knew that. I said it would give me a 'jump start' as someone else put it. I know people who had it done. I know how much you can eat.



ok... i was just saying that she was right about the food portions
Goldi1021 Posted:

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I think people need to be very careful when they make generalizations about how you eat after surgery. Everyone is different.

Both my sister and I had this surgery. I had mine six months before she did. she is 13 years older than I am. She lost more than I did, is much thinner than I am and I am not fat at all. We cannot tolerate the same foods. She can eat somethings that I just cant.

However, I have a lot more muscle mass than she does and it shows. We both exercise but I work out about an hour longer than she does.
june262004 Posted:

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Posted by june262004
And Im pretty sure I even said I knew that. I said it would give me a 'jump start' as someone else put it. I know people who had it done. I know how much you can eat.



ok... i was just saying that she was right about the food portions




Ok I didn't mean that to be snotty. But I just wanted it to be known that I KNEW that. I even saw it on Tv. YA YA on TV and MTV at that. The girl on TV was going to have the surgery and they showed how much she could eat. And to be honest I was like I CAN'T do that. Its to little and I LOVE food so much. But I hear you aren't hungry. You get full really fast.

GOLDI Thank you SO MUCH FOR THAT. I read everything you wrote and WOW GIRL you look SO GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know how much work it is ( I will admit I didn't know it was as much as you did) but I am willing to do it. After my High School years being tormented I can do it. I want to look good at my 10 year

No really I want to do it FOR me. Im sick of myself. Im sick of looking like this. Im sick of being unhealthy!

I will be honest that 1 in 200 scared me a lot. What makes the risks higher is there anything?

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