Maybe this will shed some light on why there are so many animals still dying in shelters. So many people 'buy' rather than adopt, so I'm curious to see what portion are doing what.
It's anonymous, so you don't have to worry!
lolita4life
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i do not think that to STOP BUYING from Breeders is the answer....... i think to SPAY & NUETER is the answer.
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i do not think that to STOP BUYING from Breeders is the answer....... i think to SPAY & NUETER is the answer.
Exactly! and it's not the reputable breeders that are causing the over-population problem -- they often require spay/neuter contracts when they sell the dogs. Further, they actually screen the buyers to make sure they are suitable owners and if, for some reason the pup doesn't work out in the new home, they will take the dog back to ensure that it never ends up in a shelter. Of course, pet shops will sell to anyone and take no responsibilty for the animal after it leaves, often selling badly bred animals (pure-bred AKC registration means nothing if you don't know where the pup actually came from) with health and temperment problems to unprepared impulse buyers. The problem is irresponsible owners and irresponsible breeding by puppy mills and back-yard breeders, NOT the reputable breeders, who breed one to two litters a year and are dedicated to bettering their breed -- there is a big difference.
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Posted by lesleyw Exactly! and it's not the reputable breeders that are causing the over-population problem -- they often require spay/neuter contracts when they sell the dogs. Further, they actually screen the buyers to make sure they are suitable owners and if, for some reason the pup doesn't work out in the new home, they will take the dog back to ensure that it never ends up in a shelter. Of course, pet shops will sell to anyone and take no responsibilty for the animal after it leaves, often selling badly bred animals (pure-bred AKC registration means nothing if you don't know where the pup actually came from) with health and temperment problems to unprepared impulse buyers. The problem is irresponsible owners and irresponsible breeding by puppy mills and back-yard breeders, NOT the reputable breeders, who breed one to two litters a year and are dedicated to bettering their breed -- there is a big difference.
Couldn't have said it better myself!
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Both the ASPCA and the Humane Society agree...
Breeders are a huge part of the problem. If everyone that bought from a breeder adopted, we wouldn't have the problems we have.
Yes - spay and neuter. ALL animals. Breeding certainly isn't spaying and neutering!!!
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Breeders are a huge part of the problem.
IMO: Reputable breeders are not b/c all of their dogs come with a Spay/Nueter Contract.. thats not a bad thing is it? But when it comes to BackYard Breeders, yes i agree they may add to the problem.
If everyone that bought from a breeder adopted, we wouldn't have the problems we have.
IMO: But not everyone wants that because they are looking for a SPECIFIC type of dog. And I feel if they just 'settle' for any dog in a shelter, they may end up resenting it and beating it, neglecting it, etc..... But i do agree that MORE people should adopt from shelters rather than 'buy'... but it depends on the type of person and situation at hand.
Yes - spay and neuter. ALL animals. Breeding certainly isn't spaying and neutering!!!
IMO: No its not spaying and nuetering, but like i said true breeders make you sign a contract stating you WILL spay/nueter.... and they only sell to forever homes.....
An off-topic point I would like to add is that IMO I think that a large portion of dogs that are adopted from shelters tend to get adopted to the wrong people. They 'adopt' from a shelter rather than buying from wherever or whomever b/c they CAN't afford a dog in the FIRST place! (now definatly not everyone, but there are unfortunatly people like this) They end up neglecting , etc... (not that people who dont buy dogs arent the same, but i personally have seen it more in free/cheap dogs cuz ANYONE can get one) Shelters call references and thats pretty much it sometimes. You meet them once and walk out with an animal. At least with a breeder you get to know them and have many meetings before you take your baby home. Like i said... these arent always the case, but i hope you see my point.
Julybride.. i am in no way saying you are wrong, but i think you are very stubborn in opinions. I feel like you need to have a slightly more open mind when it comes to these things, b/c it is very evident you are an animal lover. I just wish you wouldnt attack everyone and TRY to mkae them/us feel bad. There are many other ways to get your point across. I think you dwell on the breeder aspect when perhaps you should focus more on petshops, puppymill torture, neglagent owners, etc... i am just asking for you to not shun everything we say and to take it and try to see our points. i thin we can all learn alot from one another....
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my oreo and domino were from north shore.
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julybride -- you seem to refuse to hear any other point of view, so, honestly, I don't understand your multiple posts about this topic, other than trying to force your views on people and judge people who have had different experiences than you. I certainly agree that adopting is a wonderful thing to do, but it is not right for everyone all the time. It is important that people understand the truth about pet stores and the type of industry they are supporting by buying animals from them. But, again, as long as someone is a resposible owner, there is no sense in dwelling on a decision that has already been made. Most people will not buy another animal from a pet store once they know the facts. The fact that you seem incapable of distinguishing between responsible breeding and puppy mills/backyard breeders makes me think you are not quite as educated on this topic as you would like us to believe. Breeders are dedicated to their breeds and participate in breed rescue; they require spay/neuter contracts and take back dogs that don't work out in homes to keep them out of shelters; they are producing healthy, well-tempered dogs who will not end up in shelters. Your quote about the ASPCA is not backed up by their material. I have the ASPCA Complete Guide to Dogs and they have pages in there about the benefits of getting your dog from a good breeder. It says 'Animal shleters, rescue groups, and reputable breeders are unquestionably the best sources for obtaining healty, well-socialized dogs.'
I think we all agree that it is a wonderful thing to rescue a dog. Maybe a constructive way you can try to advocate for this is to share your experiences on all the dogs that you have adopted and rescued and how these dogs have made your life better. I think that would be better than attacking breeders, since you really don't have any knowledge about breeders.
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Breeders are a huge part of the problem. If everyone that bought from a breeder adopted, we wouldn't have the problems we have.
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Just have to add -- If everyone who bought a dog knew it was a life-time commitment and provided proper training, attention and exercise for their dogs, as well as spaying and neutering them, we wouldn't have the problems we have.
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julybride -- you seem to refuse to hear any other point of view, so, honestly, I don't understand your multiple posts about this topic, other than trying to force your views on people and judge people who have had different experiences than you. I certainly agree that adopting is a wonderful thing to do, but it is not right for everyone all the time. It is important that people understand the truth about pet stores and the type of industry they are supporting by buying animals from them. But, again, as long as someone is a resposible owner, there is no sense in dwelling on a decision that has already been made. Most people will not buy another animal from a pet store once they know the facts. The fact that you seem incapable of distinguishing between responsible breeding and puppy mills/backyard breeders makes me think you are not quite as educated on this topic as you would like us to believe. Breeders are dedicated to their breeds and participate in breed rescue; they require spay/neuter contracts and take back dogs that don't work out in homes to keep them out of shelters; they are producing healthy, well-tempered dogs who will not end up in shelters. Your quote about the ASPCA is not backed up by their material. I have the ASPCA Complete Guide to Dogs and they have pages in there about the benefits of getting your dog from a good breeder. It says 'Animal shleters, rescue groups, and reputable breeders are unquestionably the best sources for obtaining healty, well-socialized dogs.'
I think we all agree that it is a wonderful thing to rescue a dog. Maybe a constructive way you can try to advocate for this is to share your experiences on all the dogs that you have adopted and rescued and how these dogs have made your life better. I think that would be better than attacking breeders, since you really don't have any knowledge about breeders.
I agree, very well said.
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OK well I will comment on this topic because I really am on the S*** list according to ,any of you.
I stopped at a pet store to look at the puppies with my mom and sister and GASP I bought fred!!!!
I fell in love with him th second that I saw him and what would have happened to him if I didnt?
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We went to North Shore 3 times looking for a dog. But, there weren't any suitably sized dogs for a 1 level, 1 bedroom, 1 bathroom condo.
I am allergic to cats, so cats were out of the question.
It would have been unfair to the dog if we adopted a large, or even medium sized pet.
So, we searched and searched for a SMALL dog. And, here she is! And, we love her to pieces.
I have to agree with Jess that if we didn't find THIS specific dog, we wouldn't have gotten one at all.
At the end of the day, the MOST important thing is that we all LOVE and CARE FOR our animals, regardless of where they came from! Just because an animal is adopted or rescued doesn't mean it's getting a good home. We saw countless pets at North Shore that had been returned
Neo is from a breeder, and honestly I didn't even think of going to a shelter...sorry but I'm just being honest. My husband and I both wanted a puppy my husband had his heart set on a Dobe.
Rescuing Dobes is sometimes even harder then a puppy. Many times they are raised for attack or fighting. Many of the ads for rescuing Dobes said 'not for couples with children' Since Dh and I want children this was not an option.
I don't think because I 'bought' a dog that I killed another one. IMO it's those irresponisble people who take on animals and then cannot care for them properly. Keep the blame on thoses who actually gave thme up, or didn't spay them.
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I got Oreo from Last Hope (a rescue organization) and Gatsby from a friend whose cat was knocked up days before she was supposed to be neutered. I got Phoebe from a co-worker who found her in front of our school. I was going to bring her to the Freeport Humane Society, but I then decided that I wanted to keep her, and I am glad I did.
Lesley, you are 100% right! I said similiar things too last night but i think it went unrecognized cuz its the last post on page 1. At least you and i are on the same page
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Posted by julybride44
Breeders are a huge part of the problem.
IMO: Reputable breeders are not b/c all of their dogs come with a Spay/Nueter Contract.. thats not a bad thing is it? But when it comes to BackYard Breeders, yes i agree they may add to the problem.
(Julybride44 said) If everyone that bought from a breeder adopted, we wouldn't have the problems we have.
IMO: But not everyone wants that because they are looking for a SPECIFIC type of dog. And I feel if they just 'settle' for any dog in a shelter, they may end up resenting it and beating it, neglecting it, etc..... But i do agree that MORE people should adopt from shelters rather than 'buy'... but it depends on the type of person and situation at hand.
(Julybride44 said)Yes - spay and neuter. ALL animals. Breeding certainly isn't spaying and neutering!!!
IMO: No its not spaying and nuetering, but like i said true breeders make you sign a contract stating you WILL spay/nueter.... and they only sell to forever homes.....
An off-topic point I would like to add is that IMO I think that a large portion of dogs that are adopted from shelters tend to get adopted to the wrong people. They 'adopt' from a shelter rather than buying from wherever or whomever b/c they CAN't afford a dog in the FIRST place! (now definatly not everyone, but there are unfortunatly people like this) They end up neglecting , etc... (not that people who dont buy dogs arent the same, but i personally have seen it more in free/cheap dogs cuz ANYONE can get one) Shelters call references and thats pretty much it sometimes. You meet them once and walk out with an animal. At least with a breeder you get to know them and have many meetings before you take your baby home. Like i said... these arent always the case, but i hope you see my point.
Last time I checked, breeders werent the people dumping animals in shelters!
Julybride.. i am in no way saying you are wrong, but i think you are very stubborn in opinions. I feel like you need to have a slightly more open mind when it comes to these things, b/c it is very evident you are an animal lover. I just wish you wouldnt attack everyone and TRY to mkae them/us feel bad. There are many other ways to get your point across. I think you dwell on the breeder aspect when perhaps you should focus more on petshops, puppymill torture, neglagent owners, etc... i am just asking for you to not shun everything we say and to take it and try to see our points. i thin we can all learn alot from one another....
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Jessica -- I totally agree with everything in your post. I wanted to reference it in my post, but my head was still a little bleary at 6:15 am. And can you guess why I would be awake at 6:15 am on a Sunday? My little bundle of puppy love and joy, of course. I still haven't gotten Satchmo to understand the concept of sleeping in on the weekend....working on that...
I especially appreciate how you pointed out that we can all learn from each other. I completely agree. All of us love our animals and take the best care of them the we know how and that's what really matters.
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Piggy(our cat) was adopted from North Shore and Baby (our lab) was unexpectely bought while awww-ing over dogs in a pet shop. the poor thing didn't have enough room in her crate and had an ear infection.. She was already almost 6 months old and obviously not well taken care of. My heart broke and I couldn't leave the store without bringing her home with me. And it was the best deision I ever made.
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DH and I got Bama from a breeder. He's the first dog that we've ever owned, and we wanted to ensure that we got a dog that was very healthy and had a good temperament. Getting a dog from a good and responsible breeder is the way to go if you want that. I would've loved to have adopted a rescue/shelter dog, but I would've been DEVASTATED if the dog were to have gotten sick. So, that's why we went with a purebreed..... But, I donate to the North Shore Animal League
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North Shore Animal League. FH and I were looking for an adult dog not a puppy but saw her on the way out , I knew she was the one
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'adopt' from a shelter rather than buying from wherever or whomever b/c they CAN't afford a dog in the FIRST place! (now definatly not everyone, but there are unfortunatly people like this) They end up neglecting , etc... (not that people who dont buy dogs arent the same, but i personally have seen it more in free/cheap dogs cuz ANYONE can get one)
Actually--I do have to agree with Jess on this point....shelters make it awfully easy for people to get 'pets' for cheap, when they can't can't afford to take care of them afterwards. Also, it allows fighters to get cheap 'bait dogs' for their training.
I really don't know what the answer to this debate is.....I still stand firm in my beliefs against breeders, however, I would never slam people for buying from a breeder---I have more issues against the people who assume responsibity for pets when they can't afford them.....but, that being said-- I do wish that breeding wasn't so prevelant.....b/c when people do buy from a reputable breeder, it does take a home away from a shelter dog or thrown away street dog who needed a place to call home. (and Jess, I know you disagree with this and you can slam me if you wish....) But, those are my feelings....I wish we could find a way to solve the overpopulation---but, I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon. And as long as there are people like me and other rescuers out there....we will continue to do our best to find homes for those animals who weren't wanted and suffered abuse and neglect because they weren't a perfect,
