marine's letter to micheal moore

First let me state who I AM:
Sgt Luginbuhl, Todd L
USMC Active Duty Infantry
Completed 2 tours in Iraq since 2003
Recently back from 7 month tour in Fallujah, Iraq

Now on to your new 'photo' of our Commander
in Chief as the main page to your website,
which I noticed after seeing the 'photo' on T.V.
tonight. YOU DISGUST ME. WHO gave you the right
to use those photos of fallen brothers in a
political and ANTI-American theme? Where
do you get off? I am unaware if you have ever
served, nor do I think if you had, that you
have ever seen combat.

Have you ever looked into the eyes of a dying man?
Well I have, and let me tell you the last thing
he would have said was, 'Tell Michael Moore to
use my face to disgrace the President'.

He probably would have said, 'My life is ending,
but our cause to restore a nation, and make
it democratic is real, and TRUE'. Why don't
you go over to Iraq and ask those Marines
in Fallujah? Ask them what they think, why

they think they should be there. They would
tell you something like this...'If we didn't
fight the terrorists there in Fallujah, we
would fight them here in America'. Or that
these Terrorists that plague Iraq, are the
only thing that stands in the way of freedom
for the people of Iraq. And we are PROUD to
SERVE TO MAKE THIS COUNTRY FREE WHATEVER
THE COST!

Michael, understand this, Marines do a job that
is not pretty and not easy, but as the late great
President Ronald Reagan stated: 'Some people go
their whole lives wondering if they made a
difference in the world, MARINES don't have
that problem.' We do a dirty job, and we do
it for the greater good of America and the
WORLD... Not because we don't like a
particular person or leader. Something you
could learn much from.

Remember this: 2,752 CIVILIANS died in an
attack on AMERICA'S soil in one morning on
September 11, 2001. Saddam Hussein killed
HUNDRED of THOUSANDS of Iraqi *****e's in
the late 90's to stop them from overturning
his dictatorship. Total deaths in the war
in Iraq are just over 1000, and we have
been fighting for over a year and a half.
How many CIVILIAN LIVES have been saved???

You never will be able to answer that
question. If a brother can't walk,
you push his wheelchair. If a fellow country
needs help, you go in to help them as we have
and ARE doing. You may think we are not helping
them, but we are doing far more FOR that
country than any reporter ever has stated.
It is because of the liberal slant the
media is putting on Iraq that you may never
fully understand what is
REALLY going on
over there. The FACT is, AMERICA needs us
in IRAQ. America also needs, and (as the
over 59 Million votes state) WANTS BUSH
TO LEAD THIS GREAT COUNTRY.
Come to think of it, until America went
into IRAQ, any Iraqi who showed the same
amount of disrespect for his country and
his countries leader would have been shot
in the street... odd how the freedoms you
take for granted are the same ones you
want us to deny others.

Disgruntled Marine,
Todd L Luginbuhl

Okay...Just one thing.it's not his photo..I believe it's a washington post photo..this disgrunteld marine should take it up with them.

ETA: I also want to say that the photo is not at all anti-american, and I'm sick of people (not you lilqt, you idn't write it) accusing other people of being 'un american'

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Posted by marymoon

Okay...Just one thing.it's not his photo..I believe it's a washington post photo..this disgrunteld marine should take it up with them.

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Is that the only defense you have?

Thanks for posting lilqtny, that letter was excellent.

I disagree so fundamentally that I wouldn;t know where to begin, and it's really not worth getting into. Lilqtny'
s FH is a marine and she has really strong feelings about that. I have really strong feelings about the war, and I don't want lilqtny to feel offended or hurt by what I have to say about the war her man is fighting. We've been there and done that and I don't want to go there again. I was just pointing out something about the pic.

His emotions are valid because they are his emotions. He is entitled to feel that way.

However, he is writing the letter to the wrong person, plain and simple - I think that is all marymoon meant to comment on.

You don't have to agree w/ the WAR to SUPPORT and APPRECIATE and RESPECT the men and women who are there fighting it. - GIVING UP THEIR LIVES for it ! -
They are our Military - w/o them this country is NOTHING. - Not rich, not powerful, not existing as we know it

ANYONE who can not see the importance of those troops should be ashamed of themselves. - You want to disagree w/ the war ? Fine, - I disagree w/ it too - But DO NOT disrepsct a Marine !!

Marisa..thank you.

You know what some of our troops biggest fear is..that when they return they will not get the respect they deserve.

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Is that the only defense you have?

Thanks for posting lilqtny, that letter was excellent.

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thanks egora and as for anyone who feels my post was directed toward them, it was not. I was on the military wives support forum and someone shared it I just copied it pasted it here, haven't really read these board since early this morning. and YES LILQTNY FH is MARINE and she is DAMN PROUD, OHHH RAAHHHH!!!!!! and thanks for not wanting to offend me or my man i was only sharing I haven't seen a post about this pic before.

oh and the strong emotions part was right too, it was just something I thought I'd share but everyone on this board has to jump on it and get defensive I'm glad you enjoyed it egora!

ETA: tHANKS FOR YOUR SHOW OF SUPPORT MARRISA

The things is that yes many soliders fighting support the war...MANY do not, but you are not going to hear too much from them..why because how would it look to complain about defending their country?

When people sign up to defend the country, they do it assuming it will be when neccesary, but itf it's not neccesary, they dont have a choice..they go.

I have family members in Iraq and the word is that yes, many people are defending this country with pride( though its debatable it we need defending from Iraq) but they also state many many soliders are disheartened, dont believe in what they are doing etc...and I feel bad and respect ALL of them.

When people sign up to defend the country, they do it assuming it will be when neccesary, but itf it's not neccesary, they dont have a choice..they go

Actually I can interject some light on this..while in basic training you have classes and it is UNDERSTOOD that you may be called upon to fight for a cause you personally do not believe in or even against your home country for those who are immigrants. So the uninformed excuse doesnt fly anymore..The one area where you cna get duped is in which MOS you will have (JOB) the military has been known to promise that you can fly planes etc but unless you get that in writng..you can get screwed.

Yeo..and that's why I didn;t go into my anti war stance, etc and why I disagreed with some of the things the letter write was saying ..because I respect everyone in the armed forces, and it's not about how I feel about the war. I don't need to keep throwing that in lilqtny's face. She knows too much about the war as it is. And I don't want to show anything but respect for her FH.

The letter is I think misdirected, and I think it IS honoring the troops in its own way, saying we wish they didn't ahve to die, and placing blame, whter you agree with it or not. A lot of people believe Bush has blood on his hands, not because they disrect our soldiers at all, but because they feel saddened and angry that so many young men and women have to be put in that situation and god forbid, die. It's showing support for the troops, not everyone agrees with that tactic. I for one, won't put a yellow ribbon on my car, but it dones't mean I don't support the troops, and some people find the bush photo offensive, and that doens't mean they don't support the troops, it's just two different mindsets. I think the important thing is that both our troops and the iraqi people are given due respect and that all of them are returned to peace, safety and stability as soon as possible.

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Posted by myasmom

When people sign up to defend the country, they do it assuming it will be when neccesary, but itf it's not neccesary, they dont have a choice..they go

Actually I can interject some light on this..while in basic training you have classes and it is UNDERSTOOD that you may be called upon to fight for a cause you personally do not believe in or even against your home country for those who are immigrants. So the uninformed excuse doesnt fly anymore..The one area where you cna get duped is in which MOS you will have (JOB) the military has been known to promise that you can fly planes etc but unless you get that in writng..you can get screwed.

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I think even though you're told you could go into combat, I still think a lot of people probably don't realize that they will have to go, and a lot of people join for the GI bill, etc. it doens't mean they're stupid. They signed up as adults knowing what the consequences would be, but still...

AMEN to returning home safely.

Yep. It is their issue. I don't think they're ever uninformed about the possibility fo going to war, I jst think some people don't believe it. But that's definitely their problem

ETA: There are also people who really don't have another choice other than thae army to 'make it', or they feel its their only choice, etc... I know several people for whom that was the case...But still they signed on the dotted line. My issue is sending people when it's not 100% necessary. But I don't get to make those decisions

I think thats the hardest aspect for people to realize about the military..certain things are just not your decision. And you have to be prepared mentally just as much as physically.

Trust me..you go in weak but you come out strong..also this war is a reality check. As I said before..many people have some sheltered ideas as to how we became a super power.

I think (actually I KNOW) it is possible to love and support our troops but not support the war.

for all our men and women over seas

and for Mr. Moore when many disgruntled Marines come home J/K

but seriously if I was him, I'd stay far far away from any military bases, they may have an accident while doing training , lol

support the war or not support our uniformed men and women because they are the ones keeping ourA#$es safe enough to sit here and post our messges!