Oh the controversy! Now that Fahrenheit 9/11 is out on DVD..

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Posted by eogara

One of my all time favorite movie quotes, that I think is appropriate here:

(from American President): 'President Andrew Shepherd: You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil who is standing center stage advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.'

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Posted by takeoutcook

a little off topic, but has anyone seen the psuedo documentary about George Bush and the role faith plays in his politics?

It's called 'George W. Bush - Faith in the White House.' It was made by a republican funded organization and the Republican Party was shipping about 100,000 to churches across america.

It uses actors to portray Bush through the years. . . it's supposed to be somewhat of a response to fahrenheit 9/11.

I haven't seen it - has anyone?

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Posted by marymoon

If you come out of the movie loving Bush more, (I can't see how it's possibe, but then again i can't see how supporting bush in the first place is possible, but I respect it)
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well i can't see how anyone can support kerry, so how do you like them apples

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Posted by marymoon

I'm sorry Don, your opinion simply does not count.

Or did you not get the memo?

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Posted by FutureMrsH

I am trying to prove a point here...

Ok, a few random points

#1 It is a documentary. A documentary doens't have to show 'both sides' in my opinion. A documentary states facts, and almost always takes one side or another. I'll admit, Moore didn't mitigate any of his accusations, but I don't think he had to.

response: something a bout a documentary...it has to be UNBIASED...which it is not, and does not qualify. If it is factual, it must state all of the facts, which is does not. And how are we determining that the majority of this IS factual, because it's up on a screen? If Moore was so prefessional and so interested in maintaining that this movie was a documentary, why was it filled with one sided opinions. Check out real documentaries, you see they report news, not opinions.

#2 The movie doesn't pain democrats any rosier than it paints republicans. it's about the repubs because they're in power. I'm sure Moor could make a movie that could be seen as him hating Kerry. He's not in love with John Kerry or any politicians, but his opinion is that a regime change is in order, and I agree with him.

THIS IS JMO: anyone who votes for someone just based on the fact that they are not the other person really is not making an educated decision. If someone feels that Kerry has strong points, then that's great...vote for him. I would like someone to tell me what though, because I honestly can't figure it out.

#3 If you come out of the movie loving Bush more, (I can't see how it's possibe, but then again i can't see how supporting bush in the first place is possible, but I respect it), then good for you. Everyone's going to take what they want from the film, and that's the cool thing about art

I agree w/ don on this one. Plus, if someone is going to base their decision on a movie, again, not the smartest thing to do. Weigh both sides. If you still want to vote for Kerry, go ahead. No one should be telling anyone who they should vote for. And honestly, everyone should keep this as a private matter. Those who strongly support Bush are going to support Bush, and the same goes for Kerry. No movie, no discussion on a chat board is really going to change anyone's mind.

#4 I've seen some of the extra footage.
They showed some of Condi's testominy before the 9/11 comission, which I watched on CSPan and it is sort of frightening.

They talked about how Bush only agreed to talk to the 9/11 comission if it was informla, not broadcast, never repeated, and Cheney could e there. They showed an interview with Bush after said meeting and him stammering over trying not to answer any questions

There is a short fi;m with Arab comedians talking about how they have dealt with the backlash from 9/11. I thought that was really cool.

There's a scene showing people in Iraq before the occupation, and how clear it was that they would NOT see the US as liberators...etc... I haven't seen it all yet, but it seems worth seeing.

ETA: There's also a soldier's eye witness account, whch I have not watched yet.

First of all, if you read the newspapers from way back when when Iraq was taken over, many civilians even reported to the press (it was in Newsday) that at first they were very excited about it. Some did switch sides though because change did not happen as fast as they would have liked...

Second, as a future SLP, I really resent the whole stammering thing. I understand he is president and certain things are expected of him. But one thing is for sure fluency does not reflect intelligence...I am not always fluent, but I am also very intelligent and even an honors student. I found it laughable that one of the people interviewed after the debate was commenting on Bush's stammering and HE himself was stammering and saying 'uh' and 'um' a million times!


Look, it basicly comes to this...I am not trying to be mean or give anyone a hard time, but can you see how many different ways something can be interpreted when one has a specific stand point? I respect all of your views, both democrat and republican. I would expect that everyone else would respect each other's view as well...even if it differs from yours. There is a reason why there is a curtain surrounding a voting booth. If you feel strongly, then vote. Just make sure you are opening your mind to both sides, rather than having some famous celebrity make the decision for you.

PS: PLEASE, NO ONE TAKE OFFENSE. THIS IS HOW I FEEL, IF YOU THINK I AM WRONG, THAT'S FINE AND ALL...BUT WE ALL MUST LEARN TO RESPECT EACH OTHER'S VIEWS.

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Posted by june262004



Also if you don't like a writer/director do you not see any other films by them?

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Posted by june262004

Ok No more Controversy!!!! But I am wondering what points of Bowling did you not like? What parts of it turned you off about MM Im just curious.


Also if you don't like a writer/director do you not see any other films by them?

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Posted by marymoon

I absolutely do not believe that a documentary has to be 'unbiased.' Everything I've learned from taking courses on documentary fi;mmaking and photograhy have told me the total opposite. I believe it was Leni Reifensthal (can't spell) who said 'Art is a Hammer, Not A Mirror' I wrote that down in my documentaries class and remembered it ever since. I really don't think it's possible for a documentary to be unbiased, and if it werem it would probably be damn boring.

My comment about Bush's stammering was not about any speech impediments he may or may not have, but about the fact that he really didn't seem to know how to answer the questions put forth to him.

And about voting for 'the other guy' most people will probably agree that politics IS about choosing the lesser of two evils most of the time. there is never going to be a perfect candidate who you agree with completely and who is always honest. It just doens't happen, so you just have to choose the one who isless evil and more likely to champion your causes.

One of the best additional scenes is one of the iraqi people before the invasion. it showed theit perfecty normal lifestyle and how much they did not want the war, and did not see the American forces as liberators.

ETA: Moore does present the facts in his documentaries. All of what he presents is documented. it is presented in a way that reflects his own opinion (all news is presented ina way t express the opinion of the write, editor, etc), but he never bends or distorts the truth (based on my research). I think that counts as a documentary. If you want to be completely unbiased, then you probably don't ahve anything to say. if you have nothing to say, why make a documentary at all? hat's one way of looking at it.

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Posted by june262004

How about how we had bin laden cornered???? But got Saddam instead? No beef just asking?

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