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FutureMrsLMS Posted:

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I think its an interesting topic, albeit it caused popcorn and clearly appeared offensive...but the basic premise, if I understand the link and the deleted messages is that the disparity in education levels of the Bride and Groom is not common and also a reason for concern with the latest marriages that are gracing the NY Times/Newsday Wedding announcements.

I find it interesting because I have a # of married friends who are married to spouses of varied education levels and the results are mixed. I don't think higher education necessarily means a higher income, but it defintely means that the higher educated person has ACCESS to a more refined sense of culture or lifestyle that would not be accessible to those who lack the income or academic credentials to frolic in that type of environment. That type of 'inequality' can..over time...result in feelings of inequality inside the Wife or Husband that is expressed resentfully over the years...

I def saw this when my parents experienced a break in their relationship when my mom decided to finish college and my dad never bothered to get a HS degree. To this day, my mother is resentful that my dad can't intelligently talk about anything on CNN or NPR because he just doesn't understand the arguments, the politics or any of the perspectives of high level people in our society. Over time, you either consider your partner someone you can hold an intelligent conversation with, or you seek that stimulation elsewhere..(and vice versa).

I saw this article which also made the same point:

'Disparity in academic qualifications between couples is yet another major reason for divorce between nationals and expatriates, said the officials.

'Unequal education level plays a part in building up a sense of stubbornness in one of the couples because he or she harbours an inferiority complex,' explained the officials.

Source:

http://living.oneindia.in/insync/divorce-expatriates-emirates-211107.html

See also:

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/fulltext/119400377/PDFSTART

where the study analyzes inter-racial couples and states, 'Individual-level socioeconomic
status in the form of education or income at
the time of marriage is consistently and negatively
associated with the likelihood of marital disruption
(Bumpass, Martin, & Sweet, 1991; Larson &
Holman, 1994; White, 1990).

Remember the wedding announcement/video notes 2 distinctions: 1) the couple is interracial (she is African American, he is Caucasian) and 2) the socio-economic disparity which presentsa challenge (she being a Stanford grad and daughter of a Princeton college professor, he a son of blue collar worker parents and an NYIT grad)...

Now I dont mean to start any ..I am just posting as a way to develop the dialogue here on Education/Income disparities in a marriage and recent trends concerning same.

wedding_girl Posted:

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Posted by Stardutchess

I understand the stigma that might be attached to being a sanitation worker, but.............

I would kill for a job with GREAT benefits, job SECURITY, awesome vacation time, annnnnnnnd seriously decent pay.

Not to mention that it is super hard to get a job with DSNY these days.



Well said. I totally agree
AngnShaun Posted:

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Posted by FutureMrsLMS

To this day, my mother is resentful that my dad can't intelligently talk about anything on CNN or NPR because he just doesn't understand the arguments, the politics or any of the perspectives of high level people in our society.

Now I dont mean to start any ..I am just posting as a way to develop the dialogue here on Education/Income disparities in a marriage and recent trends concerning same.




you dont need a degree to be able to talk intelligently... about anything... my father is one of the smartest people i know... he never went to college and worked with his hands all his life...

RitasEngaged Posted:

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Posted by AngnShaun


Posted by FutureMrsLMS

To this day, my mother is resentful that my dad can't intelligently talk about anything on CNN or NPR because he just doesn't understand the arguments, the politics or any of the perspectives of high level people in our society.

Now I dont mean to start any ..I am just posting as a way to develop the dialogue here on Education/Income disparities in a marriage and recent trends concerning same.




you dont need a degree to be able to talk intelligently... about anything... my father is one of the smartest people i know... he never went to college and worked with his hands all his life...




NOT TALKING INTELLIGIENTLY ABOUT CNN HAS NOTHIGN TO DO WITH COLLEGE DEGREES
stinenandy2010 Posted:

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Posted by AngnShaun


Posted by FutureMrsLMS

To this day, my mother is resentful that my dad can't intelligently talk about anything on CNN or NPR because he just doesn't understand the arguments, the politics or any of the perspectives of high level people in our society.

Now I dont mean to start any ..I am just posting as a way to develop the dialogue here on Education/Income disparities in a marriage and recent trends concerning same.




you dont need a degree to be able to talk intelligently... about anything... my father is one of the smartest people i know... he never went to college and worked with his hands all his life...




I completely agree, my father barely graduated HS, but started his own company that turned into a multimillion company. He is one of my heroes and most intelligent people I know.

Perfect example...Bill Gates...doesn't have a college degree and I'm pretty sure he can hold an intellectual conversation.
FutureMrsLMS Posted:

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you dont need a degree to be able to talk intelligently... about anything... my father is one of the smartest people i know... he never went to college and worked with his hands all his life...




I

Perfect example...Bill Gates...doesn't have a college degree and I'm pretty sure he can hold an intellectual conversation.


Thats not a perfect example. Bill Gates could have dropped out of Michigan State and still have done well. He came from an affluent family.

Also, how are you people defining intelligence? Speaking about the issues intelligently doesn't just mean reading CNN but also understanding where the opinions are coming from and comparing/contrasting the events and opinions to those of other sources. There are other levels of intelligence as well besides just being socially aware of our country through public media - there's also awareness of how our universe was created, what 'Pi' really means, and what the world consider great literature..

It is a question of being exposed to all these elements that academia gives you and being in the real world does not. Its painfully clear to me when I talk to my dad on a daily basis.

Also, starting a successful company and being smart are not mutually exclusive. There are smart people who are rich and smart people who are poor. JESSICA SIMPSON can't tell the difference between Chicken and Tuna on her last TV show, but she can make millions of dollars selling her fashion line and perfume. Compare that kind of wealth attainment with that of educated, wealthy elites such as Stephen Hawkings, Steve Jobs, Meg Whitman (CEO of eBay), and the educated folks who are Deans of universities like Princeton, Harvard, Yale, etc. Being rich doesnt mean anything other than you know how to market a product that people are interested and want to buy.However being educated and being in an academic environment where your ideas are constantly challenged and forced to grow is a completely different realm.
Thats-What-She-Said Posted:

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I kind of understand what FutureMrsLMS is saying. Although I think that education level and intelligence are two very different things. With education more opportunities are opened, as well as a higher future income potential. Yes there are exceptions, but for the most part there is a very different earning capacity for someone with an advanced degree and someone with a high school diploma.

And earning potential can be a source of problems in a family, especially once children are involved. My parents also had a very different educational background and it did cause stress when I was growing up.
allornil Posted:

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I think a big thing here is that large educational differences can really put a chasm in a relationship. I'm in agreement on this one. It doesn't mean anyone is less intelligent, but it can cause an imbalance in discussions etc.

Sometimes its just the subjects you were exposed to in college alone.

Obviously this isn't an all or nothing subject. My father is brilliant yet, only has an associates degree. My Mom has 2 masters degrees. Sometimes I really wonder how my mom got through school lol. Shes so smart but honestly, she has no common sense at all. Yet, she graduated college at 20.
kedra5 Posted:

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Heres the article that started the whole thing...

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AngnShaun Posted:

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Posted by FutureMrsLMS




you dont need a degree to be able to talk intelligently... about anything... my father is one of the smartest people i know... he never went to college and worked with his hands all his life...




I

Perfect example...Bill Gates...doesn't have a college degree and I'm pretty sure he can hold an intellectual conversation.


Thats not a perfect example. Bill Gates could have dropped out of Michigan State and still have done well. He came from an affluent family.

Also, how are you people defining intelligence? Speaking about the issues intelligently doesn't just mean reading CNN but also understanding where the opinions are coming from and comparing/contrasting the events and opinions to those of other sources. There are other levels of intelligence as well besides just being socially aware of our country through public media - there's also awareness of how our universe was created, what 'Pi' really means, and what the world consider great literature..

It is a question of being exposed to all these elements that academia gives you and being in the real world does not. Its painfully clear to me when I talk to my dad on a daily basis.

Also, starting a successful company and being smart are not mutually exclusive. There are smart people who are rich and smart people who are poor. JESSICA SIMPSON can't tell the difference between Chicken and Tuna on her last TV show, but she can make millions of dollars selling her fashion line and perfume. Compare that kind of wealth attainment with that of educated, wealthy elites such as Stephen Hawkings, Steve Jobs, Meg Whitman (CEO of eBay), and the educated folks who are Deans of universities like Princeton, Harvard, Yale, etc. Being rich doesnt mean anything other than you know how to market a product that people are interested and want to buy.However being educated and being in an academic environment where your ideas are constantly challenged and forced to grow is a completely different realm.



youre the one that defined intelligence as being able to discuss CNN & NPR.... So i guess we would all be referring to that definition...

Im willing to bet Jessica Simpson had very little to do with the sucess of her business other than having a pretty face and a famous name... im sure there were some pretty smart people making all sorts of decisions and advising her...

if she started the company on her own that would be a different story
Danielle41209 Posted:

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Although I missed the initial comment, I get the gist of what was said.

Regardless of educational status, Love should be a key factor in any relationship. My FH only has a BA and I have both my MAT and BA. Just because I have an extra degree it doesn't mean that I am superior to him. To me, it means I chose to continue my education for myself and no one else.

I hope I don't cause any by stating this... its JMO
AngnShaun Posted:

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I just want to say... that Shaun had his Bachelors Degree long before I did (in fact i havent even had mine for a month yet) lol... and anyone that knows us will tell you that im much smarter than he is...
RitasEngaged Posted:

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Posted by FutureMrsLMS




you dont need a degree to be able to talk intelligently... about anything... my father is one of the smartest people i know... he never went to college and worked with his hands all his life...




I

Perfect example...Bill Gates...doesn't have a college degree and I'm pretty sure he can hold an intellectual conversation.


Thats not a perfect example. Bill Gates could have dropped out of Michigan State and still have done well. He came from an affluent family.





so if you come from and 'affluent family' that makes you smart
FutureMrsLMS Posted:

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Posted by RitasEngaged




so if you come from and 'affluent family' that makes you smart



No, it means you have access to resources that certain non-financially able people do not.
RitasEngaged Posted:

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Posted by FutureMrsLMS


Posted by RitasEngaged




so if you come from and 'affluent family' that makes you smart



No, it means you have access to resources that certain non-financially able people do not. Learn to read.



are you freaking kidding me - you are nuts and need help but i think your FH is crazier than you

i can read ahole!!!!!

RitasEngaged Posted:

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Posted by FutureMrsLMS


Posted by RitasEngaged




so if you come from and 'affluent family' that makes you smart



No, it means you have access to resources that certain non-financially able people do not.


like how you edited your post
FutureMrsLMS Posted:

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Posted by RitasEngaged

like how you edited your post



I also like how emotional you are getting over my post.
RitasEngaged Posted:

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Posted by FutureMrsLMS


Posted by RitasEngaged

like how you edited your post



I also like how emotional you are getting over my post.



i dont get emotional i just cant believe you think like this it amuses me how crazy you are
FutureMrsLMS Posted:

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Posted by FutureMrsLMS


Posted by RitasEngaged

like how you edited your post



I also like how emotional you are getting over my post.



i dont get emotional i just cant believe you think like this it amuses me how crazy you are



Rita my dear,

Holding an unpopular opinion does not make me crazy. It just makes me different.

Also, nowhere in my post did I advocate the original post or what she meant to imply. My original post simply pointed out what challenges are presented when a couple of economic, racial and educational disparities face when they marry. I personally think it shouldnt matter, my parents are still married despite the education gap and budding resentment, but that doesnt mean people who love each other shouldn't let a thing like a degree stop them. Clearly you assumed I was advocating the opposite and that is simply factually incorrect.

RitasEngaged Posted:

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Posted by FutureMrsLMS


Posted by RitasEngaged


Posted by FutureMrsLMS


Posted by RitasEngaged

like how you edited your post



I also like how emotional you are getting over my post.



i dont get emotional i just cant believe you think like this it amuses me how crazy you are



Rita my dear,

Holding an unpopular opinion does not make me crazy. It just makes me different.

Also, nowhere in my post did I advocate the original post or what she meant to imply. My original post simply pointed out what challenges are presented when a couple of economic, racial and educational disparities face when they marry. I personally think it shouldnt matter, my parents are still married despite the education gap and budding resentment, but that doesnt mean people who love each other shouldn't let a thing like a degree stop them. Clearly you assumed I was advocating the opposite and that is simply factually incorrect.




dont call me dear thanks and you are never factual just delusional

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