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jennbaby Posted:

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My friend is Jewish.
Her DH is Catholic.

They will not baptize the baby, so do they still have godparents?
Elizabeth Posted:

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Coincidentally, I just went to the Bris for my friends baby today and she is Jewish, he is Catholic. The baby will be raised Jewish. They had to pick godparents for the occasion which I did not know they did in the Jewish faith.

HTH
jennbaby Posted:

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I am trying to understand my friend.

Just trying to understand her way.

Thanks
spel Posted:

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we know lots of people in mixed marriages like that, but i've never heard of godparents when they are not raising the baby catholic. its quite surprising to me, actually.

Julybaby Posted:

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I know that there are godparents for a Jewish baby. My DH is Jewish (I'm not) and he is adamant about me not having a baby shower when the time comes. He says that it's considered bad luck to buy things for the baby before its born. His parents didn't buy anything for their children (cribs, stroller, clothes) until after their births. But I know Jewish mothers who have had showers. I guess you select which specific beliefs you want to follow. I also know that the baby's religion follows the mother's, so in your friend's case, the baby should be Jewish.

Julybaby Posted:

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I'm my niece's godmother, but she was not baptized in the Catholic church.

jennbaby Posted:

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Thanks Ladies, I am trying to learn.
Marnles Posted:

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Ok......I'm Jewish....and I am my nephew's G-d mother.....there is a Hebrew name for it, but I'm not sure what...but there are definitely G-d parents in the Jewish faith.

Marnles Posted:

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Also wanted to add - yes, it is considered bad luck to have a shower or buy anything for an unborn child. My SIL comes from a religious family, but they still had a baby shower for her before the fact. What they did though was keep all the presents for the baby at her mother's house until after my nephew was born.

groovypeg Posted:

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What is the role of Godparents in Judaism?

The role of Godparents in Judaism has grown out of the requirements of the ceremony of circumcision (Brit Milah or Brit for short). During the ceremony the baby boy needs to be held securely by someone whilst the Mohel performs the actual operation. Originally this person was the father of the boy, but by around the 9th Century this role began to taken by a person designated as the Sandak. The word Sandak is derived from a Greek word meaning “Godfather”.

Traditionally the Sandak would be one of the Grandfathers of the child, although in eastern Europe the role was often fulfilled by the Rabbi of the community. The Sandak’s wife, designated the Sandakit (Godmother) would bring the child from its mother to the Sandak for the ceremony.

Some time in the Middle Ages, in Eastern Europe, the idea of appointing a Sandakit was dropped in favour of appointing a grandfather or other person to be the Sandak and two other friends or relatives, who were usually either husband and wife or brother and sister to each other, to be the Kvatter and Kvatterin. These are Yiddish words derived from the old German word for Godfather.

The Brit Milah procedure, in some communities, from then on took place as follows. The baby boy would be passed from his mother to each woman attending the Brit in turn, finally ending up in the arms of the Kvatterin. She would then bring to the child to the room where the Brit was to be performed and hand it to the Kvatter. He would give the boy to the Mohel who would place him on the Sandak’s lap. The reason for all the passing around of the baby boy was based on ideas deriving from Leviticus 12:1-5, that a woman is somehow impure for thirty three days after childbirth and thus could not have direct contact with a man until that time had elapsed.

Beyond this role at the Brit the “Godparents” had and have no formal role in Judaism. The situation in Christianity is quite different. At the Christening it is the role of the Godparents to take upon themselves a vow that the child will be brought up a Christian until it reaches the age of Christian Confirmation. As Jews began to live in multi-cultural communities, an informal role developed for the Kvatter and Kvatterin – that of being an adult aside from the child’s parents with whom it develops a special relationship as it grows up.

How then does all this work in Liberal Judaism? Although we have no concept of women’s impurity, it might be a nice idea to involve a Kvatter and Kvatterin in the Brit of a boy. They can help to bring the boy to the welcoming arms of his Grandfather or other person appointed as Sandak. It is a special honour to give to two people who will take an interest in the child’s development.

What might we do though if child is a girl? Liberal Judaism provides a ceremony to welcome a girl in to the Covenant with similar prayers to those with which we welcome a boy. You can find the ceremony on page 585 of Siddur Lev Chadash. You could appoint a Kvatter and Kvatterin to bring a daughter into the arms of her Sandak who can then hold her while the drop of wine is touched to her lips

Hope this helps
jennbaby Posted:

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Thanks Peg
Marnles Posted:

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Misty Posted:

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Aah nevermind. I'm too tired to explain it.
jennbaby Posted:

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Thanks ALL
Marnles Posted:

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If it's the woman issue - YES!!!!!!!!! Thanks for 'getting it' - glad I'm not alone!

Misty Posted:

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LOL and I edited it because I was too tired to explain it.

No way are you alone, I've been trying to explain this stuff to DH for ages, and no matter how you cut it (no pun intended) it still sounds like a jewish woman means crapola!
Marnles Posted:

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Jenn - angry face not at you - at what was written about the women's role!! Sorry, should have clarified that one!

Marnles Posted:

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Misty - we're right here!! ----------->

Misty Posted:

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Marnles Posted:

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I took a women's studies class in college......I believe it's orthodox Jews (men of course) who say in the daily prayers 'I thank you G-d for not creating me a woman'.......hmph!

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