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Posted by wenndypoo
I never meant to imply that community college grads (I am one of them) are less educated or under-employed. My point was that money can buy you things, in most cases better things, but that lack of money doesn't mean you get nothing.
Posted by oct.2004bride
Posted by wenndypoo
I never meant to imply that community college grads (I am one of them) are less educated or under-employed. My point was that money can buy you things, in most cases better things, but that lack of money doesn't mean you get nothing.
No it means your getting a lot less!
I don't think it is fair to say people are making excuses or not working hard enough. I know plenty of friends (minorities) who the minute the could work HAD TO WORK. To help their families. They had no choice, sometimes they worked 2 jobs to help out. All while going to HS/college. They don't have the luxury or should i say enough time in the day to work harder, study harder like the majority middle class teens. SO what should we say...to bad? Find the time? Forget you family, think of yourself and your future! This is the unfortunate environmental factor that they have to deal with that most of white teen do not have to deal with. I am not saying there aren't poor white people who don't have to deal with this situation too but the majority is minorities.
Posted by oct.2004bride
I don't think it is fair to say people are making excuses or not working hard enough. I know plenty of friends (minorities) who the minute the could work HAD TO WORK. To help their families. They had no choice, sometimes they worked 2 jobs to help out. All while going to HS/college. They don't have the luxury or should i say enough time in the day to work harder, study harder like the majority middle class teens. SO what should we say...to bad? Find the time? Forget you family, think of yourself and your future! This is the unfortunate environmental factor that they have to deal with that most of white teen do not have to deal with. I am not saying there aren't poor white people who don't have to deal with this situation too but the majority is minorities.
Posted by oct.2004bride
Hmmmm...I always go back and forth on this subject. I do feel that there is a number of people that are at a disadvantage as far as schooling goes.. I do feel the majority of those people are minorities. Yes there are poor white people who grew up in these areas. And i understand Juliets issue. But the fact is she was, like she said the minority in that area. WHich means most of the people who live and went to school there were minorities. I do feel there are people that are at a huge disadvantage and do not have the luxuries that most white people have. Are there white people who have this issue...definately.
IMO...i feel that as the years go by more and more 'good' schools are becoming multiracial. SO i do have hope for the future. But it doesn't deny what still exists. I do feel that minorities are at a disadvantage and understand why there is affirmitive action. But i would also piss me off if i applied to a job or school that i was looked over because of a quota.
Posted by xjulietx
I just have to say that neither me nor the students who went to Harvard were poor, but the district has a lot of minorities. My comment is based on how the same financial and social status as well as the same education meant entirely two different things when a Hispanic last name was tacked onto the end of it.
If it was a matter of poor white or poor hispanic, that would have been different. This was like high-lower income/low-end of middle income families. Not struggling but not rolling in it and neither student was desperate for a break, but the Hispanic kid got it, because of his ethnic background.
Posted by xjulietx
I meant the kids from Brentwood who went to Ivy League schools (Harvard as one of those)
I was just clarifying that none of us were poor, just came from different ethnic backgrounds and the 'minority' one got preferential treatment.No wars, just thoughts.
Meg- I've often considered getting a job at the EEOC. Or becoming a Title VII atty.
Think about all the people in politics who are very successful- most of them come from families with lots of money and 'historical' backgrounds- I personally think that affirmitive action is trying to give that type of 'leg up' to minorities- they don't have that background...
Posted by butterfly20
plus there are some colored people out there who still blaim the current white people for the slavery that happened over 100 years ago, the current people werent around 100 years ago yet they get harassed over it...
Posted by steph4777
Posted by butterfly20
plus there are some colored people out there who still blaim the current white people for the slavery that happened over 100 years ago, the current people werent around 100 years ago yet they get harassed over it...
We haven't been 'colored' since 1970... We are now African-Americans.
I don't really see anyone as complaining. I think we're all discusisng things, and it seems like you agree with us that there's something wrong with the system!
Posted by MCDO15
my problem, many blacks are sterotyped as drug dealers, dropping out of school ... and many whites are looked as if they have nothing better to do then spend money and whatever... Well, either they did something right or the person before them did something right. Everybody has for the most part, most control of there life. go out and do somthing instead of complaining.
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In regards to the stereotyped as drug dealers... me personally i think most people think the drug dealer not because of the skin color but when they see the baggy rapper clothing, the slang 'yo, yo whats going on up in the crib' talk, and such... there are caucasian people who act the SAME way and i get freaked out then also!... for me its the way people present themselves for whether i feel comfortable around them....
now i can see how there would be a racism problem still going on in the south...to be honest most caucasian men around their 50's that i have talked to seem to say somewhat racist things.. if they talk about a person in a story and the person wasnt white they seem to mention the race(which is inappropriate)
Posted by marymoon
I don't really see anyone as complaining. I think we're all discusisng things, and it seems like you agree with us that there's something wrong with the system!
Personally i think referring to black people as 'African-americans' Was stupid. I work with a lot of black people and have asked them, if you are from haiti why do we call you african-american. It implies all black people are from Africa. ANd they aren't. The are from all over (Bahamas, Haiti, Jamiaca, Europe, etc) and referring to them as Africans is WRONG!
Posted by steph4777
Posted by butterfly20
plus there are some colored people out there who still blaim the current white people for the slavery that happened over 100 years ago, the current people werent around 100 years ago yet they get harassed over it...
We haven't been 'colored' since 1970... We are now African-Americans.
Posted by MCDO15
this converstation is sad and weak. nobody will ever experience any type of minority situation until you lived it or become some else. last i check, we can't switch who we are. AA.....thats just a bunch of bull. i really don't believe in that system.
'We have to hire sombody for this important job. make sure you interview at least 2% black people or they will get upset'
my problem, many blacks are sterotyped as drug dealers, dropping out of school ... and many whites are looked as if they have nothing better to do then spend money and whatever... Well, either they did something right or the person before them did something right. Everybody has for the most part, most control of there life. go out and do somthing instead of complaining.
Now, if my comments got off track, i do aplogize. if i offending anyone, my aplozies again. i read a few post and this is what i came up with.
