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Temper tantrums on walks... I'm going nuts! (long)

bluegrl24ny Posted:

Temper tantrums on walks... I'm going nuts! (long)

Golem is now an adolescent - which means teenage rebellion and other fun growing up things that puppies do. Having a large breed, stubborn, persistent male dog - we were prepared for this, and we keep our cool, correct him when he's bad, and he's back to his normally good behavior. Well, his new phase of temper tantrums is really pushing us to the end of our rope and I just need to vent before I go nuts! Golem LOVES everyone, all he ever wants to do is say hi to new people/animals and give them kisses... However, on the walks, it's not the time for that - when we do stop and talk to other people and we let him say hi, get petted, etc., he is sooo good.... It's when we leave, he throws a fit!! He wants to stay and he's protesting, we know this - but it's getting to be so annoying and frustrating when nothing seems to get through to him that his behavior is completly unacceptable! Here's what happens:
- Approaching people/other dogs - we will make him sit and wait until they pass.
- He is excited about saying hi, and when he realizes that we aren't allowing it - protests by jumping up and trying to bite the leash, growling.
- We do leash corrections and tell him NO!, or try to do the LOOK command with treats, to get his focus back on us, not the distraction. Repeat until he snaps out of it.
- Continue on the walk like nothing happened.

Craig just called me and said that Golem threw a temper tantrum right in front of the house on their walk today because a little girl walked by with her grandma, and Golem decided that he wanted to go over to her and say hi, and Daddy said it wasn't the time for it. So what happens? He throws a temper tantrum, growling, biting leash, jumping up. Craig had to do the alpha submission to calm him down until he stopped, then he went in the crate as punishemnt for the bad behavior.

We know what he's doing, he's protesting to try and see if we give in and we are not allowing it, but he's still trying to see if maybe this time it will work.... I know it's most likely something that other people with large breed dogs went through when they were puppies too -but at the same time - the rest of our neighbors see this occasional behavior and our corrections and I don't want them thinking he's a bad dog - especially since we have a Rottie, and the stereotypes are so quick to point fingers when the dog does something bad. He is a stubborn and persistent male Rottie, and he did the same thing when he was teething during his biting stage. It took us months to get him out of that! I guess I'd just like to hear from others who have been in this situation, just to know that we're not doing the wrong thing and thiat this too is an annoying phase that he will eventually get tired of. He is sucha good dog the rest of the time, it's just when we're holding him back from approaching people on the walks that he throws these fits... I'm going to call our trainer today also to see what she has to say about it, but any advice or feedback would be wonderful - especially from my fellow Rottie moms out there!! thanks so much!!
jcndd Posted:

Re: Temper tantrums on walks... I'm going nuts! (long)

I can picture your walks so clearly Asia was wonderful when we first started our walks. She's a HUGE sniffer so I would walk her down the middle of the road (sidestreets) so she didn't always pull to sniff grass and mailbox posts and that worked fine. She hit her terrible 2's around 6-8months old and regressed where she would literally PULL me wherever she wanted to go. That stopped and now it's started again. (She's 14 months) Whenever the kids or neighbors are outside she'll just pull me to them - once she's there she's fine and listens and let's everyone love her - but it's getting there and leaving that's killer. And to top it off - I'm 5 months PG now! She can't keep pulling me. I haven't figured out the solution on my own so I've put in a call to her trainer. I'll let you know what she says.
bluegrl24ny Posted:

Re: Temper tantrums on walks... I'm going nuts! (long)

OMG these dogs will never let us rest!!! I guess it's great that they are so loving and adore other people/dogs, but it's really starting to wear on me, and I'm wondering when I'm going to see the 'aloofness' that the AKC lists as part of the breed standard! Well, at least we can share our walking dilemmas with each other in the meantime! I'm going to call our trainer too, haven't gotten there yet, but I'll share what she says as well!
jcndd Posted:

Re: Temper tantrums on walks... I'm going nuts! (long)

Well, I spoke w/ mine. She said that rotties are very active dogs and need to run - not walk. So, her advise was to play first walk second. Example - Asia has a soccer ball and we'll kick it and she runs back and forth after it about 7 or 8 times and she's exhausted. My trainers suggestion was to do that and then she'll walk nice. And, as stupid as it sounds, I tried it and she was GREAT on her walk. Listened, didn't pull and basically was perfect. She said that Asia's obnoxiouness during the day is from lack of play. So, we need to play more. I'm learning rotties are very needy doggies!!
regi Posted:

Re: Temper tantrums on walks... I'm going nuts! (long)


Posted by jcndd

Well, I spoke w/ mine. She said that rotties are very active dogs and need to run - not walk. So, her advise was to play first walk second. Example - Asia has a soccer ball and we'll kick it and she runs back and forth after it about 7 or 8 times and she's exhausted. My trainers suggestion was to do that and then she'll walk nice. And, as stupid as it sounds, I tried it and she was GREAT on her walk. Listened, didn't pull and basically was perfect. She said that Asia's obnoxiouness during the day is from lack of play. So, we need to play more. I'm learning rotties are very needy doggies!!



Golem shouldn't be punished for his behavior. It is not going to stop his jumping and tantrums. Rotties need a lot of exercise. Try playing with her more. THis should solve the problem.

Also, is he fixed?? If not, you might want to consider getting it done. Dogs became a bit calmer after they are neutered and in the long run-it's healthier for the dog!!!
bluegrl24ny Posted:

Re: Temper tantrums on walks... I'm going nuts! (long)

thanks for that feedback - and to answer your questions, I play with Golem outside for about 20 - 30 minutes every night before our walk, kicking his ball back and forth and playing fetch with his Air Kong. I learned a while ago that it was the only way to have somewhat of a peaceful walk with him if we play first, otherwise he was all over the place on the walk!! He was also neutered back in February, and that calm theory is SUCH an old wives tale... He's just as active/hyper as he was before - maybe even more so now! He is a puppy though, and adolescence for Rotties is always a trying time. Our breeder warned us about it and we've also done TONS of reaserch, so we knew it was coming. However, no one tells you how not to lose your mind during the process!

It's frustrating, bc I know he's getting enough exercise, he's just protesting when I'm deciding we need to leave/not say hi to people - he needs to learn that when we say it's time to go, there's no questioning it. That is why we punish him for these temper tantrums, because once he feels he can bully us to get his way then forget it- down the line we'll have a 140+ pound Rottweiler who will think he's calling the shots, and that's not what we want! Last night was great though, he actually didn't have any tantrums on our walk, but we didn't see any people either! Oh well, patience and consistency are our allies right now Thanks again girls!
jcndd Posted:

Re: Temper tantrums on walks... I'm going nuts! (long)


Posted by bluegrl24ny

It's frustrating, bc I know he's getting enough exercise, he's just protesting when I'm deciding we need to leave/not say hi to people - he needs to learn that when we say it's time to go, there's no questioning it. That is why we punish him for these temper tantrums, because once he feels he can bully us to get his way then forget it- down the line we'll have a 140+ pound Rottweiler who will think he's calling the shots, and that's not what we want! Last night was great though, he actually didn't have any tantrums on our walk, but we didn't see any people either! Oh well, patience and consistency are our allies right now Thanks again girls!



I totally agree. They need to know that their behavior is wrong. And Asia didn't calm down a bit after being spayed either. It's so hard for me to give her the play she needs now...I'm exhausted from walking back and forth with her w/ the ball now that I'm pg
As for the people - DH thinks I'm crazy, but I've established words with Asia that I think she gets...When I'm leaving the house for an errand or something where I'll be back fairly soon (not that they have a concept of time) I'll tell her bye Asia - see you in a little while. When people leave our house we always say bye to her so that she doesn't freak when they leave. DH thinks I'm nuts and swears she has no clue what I'm saying, but she doesn't jump on the door when I or guests leave - and if I say bye so and so when we greet someone on our walks she gets it... just a suggestion
bluegrl24ny Posted:

Re: Temper tantrums on walks... I'm going nuts! (long)

that's a good suggestion, I might try that if he acts out again on our walk tonight! Usually I have him sit, then we say 'Okay, go say hi' when we know the approaching person wants to see the dog. Leaving is the problem, so I'll try it saying, 'okay say bye' and hopefully that will work!
jcndd Posted:

Re: Temper tantrums on walks... I'm going nuts! (long)

There are times when I'll try ANYTHING! Let me know how it works!

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