What are your thoughts on capital punishment?
This is one of those things i am not completely one sided about how I feel. Personally i think its better to let them rot in jail, i mean those in death row have to be put on suicide watch and for many its worse to live the rest of their live in jail. Killing is wrong no matter what, but i am also not one of those ppl who is strongly against it.
I am for it. However, I feel that the victims' families should have a say in wether the person who took their loved one away should be executed or sentenced to life in prison. As we can see, we are pretty even split on this subject. I know that if one of my family members was killed I would want the criminal to be executed. I don't think it is necessarily 'justice for the victim' when the family members are morally opposed to the punishment.
Posted by Kimbalina
Posted by DnellD809
I'm against it! Like a lot of people said though...if it were someone in my family who was killed I would want to murder that person myself! But I really do think that letting someone sit in jail for the rest of their life would be worse punishment. They would WANT to die!
Unless,, jail is better than the life they were leading,, homeless and broke.
as in the case of the man who took my aunts life
Posted by yelley77
Posted by Kris0703
Posted by yelley77
Here is my thought.
I'm slightly torn, but I'm more for it than against it. I think that if a person feels they have the right to murder someone at random, they deserve to have their life taken by the court. HOWEVER, I feel that the decision to handout the death penalty should be unanimous. Not 4 jurors say no and 5 say yes... There should be NO DOUBT that the person being tried committed that crime and that the death penalty 'justifies' the action.
Criminal trails are unanimous verdicts. all by unreasonable doubt. So, that's really not the issue
so every single juror has to agree that the person is guilty? you don't think that jurors are sometimes persuaded into a different verdict if they are the minority vote?
Posted by Kris0703
Posted by yelley77
Posted by Kris0703
Posted by yelley77
Here is my thought.
I'm slightly torn, but I'm more for it than against it. I think that if a person feels they have the right to murder someone at random, they deserve to have their life taken by the court. HOWEVER, I feel that the decision to handout the death penalty should be unanimous. Not 4 jurors say no and 5 say yes... There should be NO DOUBT that the person being tried committed that crime and that the death penalty 'justifies' the action.
Criminal trails are unanimous verdicts. all by unreasonable doubt. So, that's really not the issue
so every single juror has to agree that the person is guilty? you don't think that jurors are sometimes persuaded into a different verdict if they are the minority vote?
yes, every single juror has to have a guilty verdict.
Posted by mandag
Posted by Kimbalina
As for the families of the criminals.. I feel bad for them. But truly I am not as concerned for them as for the victims.
Which I think is totally normal. I mean - of course the family of the criminal is in a state of pain that is unimaginable, but society's first concern should be the victim and their family.
Posted by Espo22
Posted by yelley77
Posted by Kris0703
Posted by yelley77
Here is my thought.
I'm slightly torn, but I'm more for it than against it. I think that if a person feels they have the right to murder someone at random, they deserve to have their life taken by the court. HOWEVER, I feel that the decision to handout the death penalty should be unanimous. Not 4 jurors say no and 5 say yes... There should be NO DOUBT that the person being tried committed that crime and that the death penalty 'justifies' the action.
Criminal trails are unanimous verdicts. all by unreasonable doubt. So, that's really not the issue
so every single juror has to agree that the person is guilty? you don't think that jurors are sometimes persuaded into a different verdict if they are the minority vote?
This probably happens alot unfortunately, ESPECIALLY with cases that go on for such a long time. I mean some people have to be away from their families for a while and I think if there is one person who does feel differently, many times that person might get persuaded by the others or they might just go with what everyone else feels so it doesn't drag out more
Posted by Future Mulligan
Posted by mandag
Posted by Kimbalina
As for the families of the criminals.. I feel bad for them. But truly I am not as concerned for them as for the victims.
Which I think is totally normal. I mean - of course the family of the criminal is in a state of pain that is unimaginable, but society's first concern should be the victim and their family.
but anywho - i dont know exactly how i feel about captial punishment....sometimes i think a life sentence is worse on the mind - being forced to live in jail, no choice, no freedom, treated like an animal, no visitors, no real life
Posted by Future Mulligan
Posted by mandag
Posted by Kimbalina
As for the families of the criminals.. I feel bad for them. But truly I am not as concerned for them as for the victims.
Which I think is totally normal. I mean - of course the family of the criminal is in a state of pain that is unimaginable, but society's first concern should be the victim and their family.
i agree - but just imagine you are the mother of that person - knowing you gave birth to them and that you created that monster - knowing that the person you loved with all your heart could do such horrible things - i mean that has to really mess someone up - and then do you stand by them? or forget them? as a parent you must be torn - do you still love them because they are your child? how do you just let them go - imagine you were the mother of a serial killer - how do you live with that? its just something that isnt really discussd or thought about thats why i brought it up...
but anywho - i dont know exactly how i feel about captial punishment....sometimes i think a life sentence is worse on the mind - being forced to live in jail, no choice, no freedom, treated like an animal, no visitors, no real life
someone with a life sentence is basically waiting in jail to die - but they are probably going to wait a really really long time, longer than the guy on death row - sometimes i think that punishment is worse
Posted by Espo22
Posted by yelley77
Posted by Kris0703
Posted by yelley77
Here is my thought.
I'm slightly torn, but I'm more for it than against it. I think that if a person feels they have the right to murder someone at random, they deserve to have their life taken by the court. HOWEVER, I feel that the decision to handout the death penalty should be unanimous. Not 4 jurors say no and 5 say yes... There should be NO DOUBT that the person being tried committed that crime and that the death penalty 'justifies' the action.
Criminal trails are unanimous verdicts. all by unreasonable doubt. So, that's really not the issue
so every single juror has to agree that the person is guilty? you don't think that jurors are sometimes persuaded into a different verdict if they are the minority vote?
This probably happens alot unfortunately, ESPECIALLY with cases that go on for such a long time. I mean some people have to be away from their families for a while and I think if there is one person who does feel differently, many times that person might get persuaded by the others or they might just go with what everyone else feels so it doesn't drag out more
Posted by Future Mulligan
I wonder how the families of the people on death row feel - imagine that was your son or daughter about to get killed? i wonder how those families deal with it all....any one of us could have a messed up kid can't we? i just always wonder how they feel because their lives must be crushed as well
ETS: even families of criminals who arent on death row - imagine how hard it must be to deal with if your loved one commited such a horrible crime?
Posted by mandag
Posted by Future Mulligan
Posted by mandag
Posted by Kimbalina
As for the families of the criminals.. I feel bad for them. But truly I am not as concerned for them as for the victims.
Which I think is totally normal. I mean - of course the family of the criminal is in a state of pain that is unimaginable, but society's first concern should be the victim and their family.
i agree - but just imagine you are the mother of that person - knowing you gave birth to them and that you created that monster - knowing that the person you loved with all your heart could do such horrible things - i mean that has to really mess someone up - and then do you stand by them? or forget them? as a parent you must be torn - do you still love them because they are your child? how do you just let them go - imagine you were the mother of a serial killer - how do you live with that? its just something that isnt really discussd or thought about thats why i brought it up...
but anywho - i dont know exactly how i feel about captial punishment....sometimes i think a life sentence is worse on the mind - being forced to live in jail, no choice, no freedom, treated like an animal, no visitors, no real life
I also think that, unfortunately, becoming a serial killer may have absolutely NOTHING to do with the parents or how the child was raised. I truly believe that a child molester/serial killer/rapist/etc. has something actually chemically wrong in their brain that they are unable to stop themself from doing something this is so obviously and clearly wrong to the rest of society...
Posted by yelley77
Posted by mandag
Posted by Future Mulligan
Posted by mandag
Posted by Kimbalina
As for the families of the criminals.. I feel bad for them. But truly I am not as concerned for them as for the victims.
Which I think is totally normal. I mean - of course the family of the criminal is in a state of pain that is unimaginable, but society's first concern should be the victim and their family.
i agree - but just imagine you are the mother of that person - knowing you gave birth to them and that you created that monster - knowing that the person you loved with all your heart could do such horrible things - i mean that has to really mess someone up - and then do you stand by them? or forget them? as a parent you must be torn - do you still love them because they are your child? how do you just let them go - imagine you were the mother of a serial killer - how do you live with that? its just something that isnt really discussd or thought about thats why i brought it up...
but anywho - i dont know exactly how i feel about captial punishment....sometimes i think a life sentence is worse on the mind - being forced to live in jail, no choice, no freedom, treated like an animal, no visitors, no real life
I also think that, unfortunately, becoming a serial killer may have absolutely NOTHING to do with the parents or how the child was raised. I truly believe that a child molester/serial killer/rapist/etc. has something actually chemically wrong in their brain that they are unable to stop themself from doing something this is so obviously and clearly wrong to the rest of society...
as I said in an earlier post. If a person thinks that they have the right to go around murdering people, they deserve the higest form of punishment... whether that is my mother, my friend or my FH. If the police called me and told me they just caught my mother killing someone and she is a serial killer, she'd deserve the punishment. That doesn't mean that I don't love my mother, it just means that justice should be served. My mother took the life of someone who had a family and they must live with that forever.... If someone killed my mother, i'd wish the same punishment for them.
Again, I'mnot a cold hearted person, but i do believe in justice.
NOTE: my mom is not a serial killer, it's just an example. lol
Posted by Kris0703
I think what we have to remember here is that people do not get the death penalty for minor reasons. It's not even everytime someone murders someone. There are specific things that the crime had to have in order for death penalty to even be put on the table. We are not talking about an ordinary crime here. Not that ANY murder should be looked at lightly, but people who say they are against it has to understand what a 1st degree murder really entails. These people are monsters. We don't send little grandma's who accidentally ran someone over to the chair. Although the only agrument I can see is making sure it is the right person. Other then that - it's these people that like to 'play God' and they don't seem to care very much about taking lives. I don't have any sympathy for them. JMO
Posted by Future Mulligan
Posted by yelley77
Posted by mandag
Posted by Future Mulligan
Posted by mandag
Posted by Kimbalina
As for the families of the criminals.. I feel bad for them. But truly I am not as concerned for them as for the victims.
Which I think is totally normal. I mean - of course the family of the criminal is in a state of pain that is unimaginable, but society's first concern should be the victim and their family.
i agree - but just imagine you are the mother of that person - knowing you gave birth to them and that you created that monster - knowing that the person you loved with all your heart could do such horrible things - i mean that has to really mess someone up - and then do you stand by them? or forget them? as a parent you must be torn - do you still love them because they are your child? how do you just let them go - imagine you were the mother of a serial killer - how do you live with that? its just something that isnt really discussd or thought about thats why i brought it up...
but anywho - i dont know exactly how i feel about captial punishment....sometimes i think a life sentence is worse on the mind - being forced to live in jail, no choice, no freedom, treated like an animal, no visitors, no real life
I also think that, unfortunately, becoming a serial killer may have absolutely NOTHING to do with the parents or how the child was raised. I truly believe that a child molester/serial killer/rapist/etc. has something actually chemically wrong in their brain that they are unable to stop themself from doing something this is so obviously and clearly wrong to the rest of society...
as I said in an earlier post. If a person thinks that they have the right to go around murdering people, they deserve the higest form of punishment... whether that is my mother, my friend or my FH. If the police called me and told me they just caught my mother killing someone and she is a serial killer, she'd deserve the punishment. That doesn't mean that I don't love my mother, it just means that justice should be served. My mother took the life of someone who had a family and they must live with that forever.... If someone killed my mother, i'd wish the same punishment for them.
Again, I'mnot a cold hearted person, but i do believe in justice.
NOTE: my mom is not a serial killer, it's just an example. lol
thanks for noting your mom is NOT a serial killer![]()
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Posted by Kris0703
Posted by Espo22
Posted by yelley77
Posted by Kris0703
Posted by yelley77
Here is my thought.
I'm slightly torn, but I'm more for it than against it. I think that if a person feels they have the right to murder someone at random, they deserve to have their life taken by the court. HOWEVER, I feel that the decision to handout the death penalty should be unanimous. Not 4 jurors say no and 5 say yes... There should be NO DOUBT that the person being tried committed that crime and that the death penalty 'justifies' the action.
Criminal trails are unanimous verdicts. all by unreasonable doubt. So, that's really not the issue
so every single juror has to agree that the person is guilty? you don't think that jurors are sometimes persuaded into a different verdict if they are the minority vote?
This probably happens alot unfortunately, ESPECIALLY with cases that go on for such a long time. I mean some people have to be away from their families for a while and I think if there is one person who does feel differently, many times that person might get persuaded by the others or they might just go with what everyone else feels so it doesn't drag out more
after the verdict is read the judge polls the jury and asks again if they are sure that this is their verdict. If someone even hesitates - the judge can dismiss the verdict. Or they can say they can't agree and have a hung jury. If people felt strongly enough, there is other ways to go about it.
