I see your's (Mr. Hostility) and everyone's point, but I am ( ignormant or naive as it may be) saddened that our instant response to anyone getting hurt or killed is to respond with more violence? You cannot condemn violence if you believe in it. If you feel we should kill or hurt anyone then you cannot act upset or revengful if someone does it to one of 'ours'. Regardless of the reasons, it revolves mainly around the simple act of murder, we should be sicked, saddened and DO something in whatever way possible to end it...not enforce it. I did see the video, worse thing I've seen in a very long time , should they be punished( those who did it)?? Yes...in the worst possible way imaginable, do I think that we should kill them? No, or else we are hypocrites. I guess that my main point is none of this will ever end until we learn how to control the OUT OF control violence that reigns over all of us...Iraqi and Americans.
I'm an idealist and I dont want to become jaded by war or any of this...Do I stand for my country...OF COURSE...but do I see both sides of this sick at times human nature, YES and I'm at a loss for how the US should respond but I do know I dont think continuing the killing pattern is helping, ior s intelligent or promoting the US national pride/spirit and US war effort.
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Posted by oct.2004bride Oh yeah ...take those masks off...just like OUR GI's......At least you can say they had one more brain cell the the stupid F***in GI's that smiled for the camera GO AMERICA
If you have the balls to spew your retoric, and act like a tough guy, SIGN THE F*CKING CARD. Who said what the soldiers did was right? It was stupid. If it was your FH's head being cut off, I'm sure you'd sing the same tune. *insert rolleyes icon*
I would be more mad at our own pathetic GI's than those Iraqis actually. If those idiots never did that we might not have seen anyones head chopped off! This was a reactionary tactic to OUR ACTIONS! OHHHHHHH what we did was stupid...what they did was horrific...sticking glow sticks up prisoner's a**es that is stupid?...ok gotcha now...NOW I UNDERSTAND NOT!
OUR ...how did you say, stupid? yeah our stupid acts was the direct cause of that beheading!
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[ If it was your FH's head being cut off, I'm sure you'd sing the same tune. *insert rolleyes icon*
I think this was a very stupid comment to make, even if making a point....
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what the GI's did was stupid, I agree but it wasnt the whole army- it was a few of them who made a stupid mistake. does that make it right by beheading an American?? The Iraqi people are used to horrific violence... what about the 4 Americans slaughtered and hung on a bridge- what about that poor Italian that was murdered on camera.... This is their way, before and after... retaliation? its just another excuse to kill an american and make their 'point' again, I am angry that a few idiotic soldiers did that to those prisoners but the gruesome sadistic murders were being committed way before this incident!!!
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what the GI's did was stupid, I agree but it wasnt the whole army- it was a few of them who made a stupid mistake. does that make it right by beheading an American?? The Iraqi people are used to horrific violence... what about the 4 Americans slaughtered and hung on a bridge- what about that poor Italian that was murdered on camera.... This is their way, before and after... retaliation? its just another excuse to kill an american and make their 'point' again, I am angry that a few idiotic soldiers did that to those prisoners but the gruesome sadistic murders were being committed way before this incident!!!
Very true...all of it, all some of us are saying is lets not respond by continuing the cycle and resort to violence on anyone, militants or soliders? There is a thing such as conduct of war...I hope (WISH) we ALL adhere to it.
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dm24angel-
i agree! i was just venting.. had a tough day today.. i needed to let go some frustration... but you are right. why continue the cycle... i have such a variety of different emotions when it comes to this- especially having a Marine brother!
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My cousin is in the Army, I pray for all of the soliders, your right mixed emotions happen on things such as these events.
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This is their way, before and after... retaliation? its just another excuse to kill an american and make their 'point' again, I am angry that a few idiotic soldiers did that to those prisoners but the gruesome sadistic murders were being committed way before this incident!!!
They kill their own, of coarse they are going to killed americans, the people who have invavded their country! Invaded their country for weapons of mass destrusction that have NEVER BEEN FOUND!
And like you said this was just another excuse..yes it is and WE GAVE IT TO THEM!
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Very true...all of it, all some of us are saying is lets not respond by continuing the cycle and resort to violence on anyone, militants or soliders? There is a thing such as conduct of war...I hope (WISH) we ALL adhere to it.
Especially the ones that are going in their in the name of stopping the inhumane treatment of human beings!
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my thoughts and prayers go out to all of us - but particularly those men and women who are actively serving our country in the Middle East - either in the military or in the rebuilding effort- and those who have loved ones over there. . . I'm crying just thinking about the horrifying images (I couldnt watch the video) of that young man's life being taken from him.
It's so hard to comment on the events of the past week - the photos of the Americans torturing the Iraqui prisoners (I'm using torture as defined by the Geneva convention) as well as the images of the young american killed.
I don't mean to editorialize, but there's something that strikes me about the question of whether or not these images should be shown. What had offended me the most (until this week) about this war was the fact that no photos of flag draped coffins of the fallen men and women of the USA were allowed to be shown - as directed by the Bush administration. (the photo that was shown on the cover of the daily news was not sanctioned by the gov't) The Bush administration reasoned that such photos would be disrespectful to the families of the fallen. . . Regardless of whether I agree or disagree with that statement, what that action does - not allowing photos - is keep the shock of casualties, the horror that there are young men and women dying over there - somewhat apart from our everyday existence. Of course we are aware that there is a war going on - we are painfully aware - many of us read the news reports, etc. but not seeing images from the war allows you some measure of safe distance. . . particularly when you dont have someone over there.
What the publication of the horrifying images of the last 2 weeks have done is that many americans (not all, certainly) have been shocked into consciousness in realizing that there is a brutal war going on. no one can say that they haven't witnessed the atrocities (on both sides) of this war.
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I think this was a very stupid comment to make, even if making a point....
I think I proved my point, you think otherwise. We'll agree to disagree then.
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I think this was a very stupid comment to make, even if making a point....
I think I proved my point, you think otherwise. We'll agree to disagree then.
......Girls NEVER talk politics with this man.....he will never even consider an opinion other than his own. I know b/c we always have conflicting viewpoints.
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Posted by oct.2004bride yeah our stupid acts was the direct cause of that beheading!
I seriously can't believe you could be so uneducated about a topic.
If you think these TERRORISTS (these were not Iraqi Soldiers per their OWN admission), care about Iraq, you need to study up a bit. They didn't do this because of that, they did it so the world will fear big bad Islamic Fundamentalists, specifically Al Queda. That's what it's about. Up to 1 year ago, Bin Laden wanted Saddam as dead as we did. But now they find a rallying cry to get behind, and low and behold they are there, cutting off someone's head THAT WASN'T ASSOCIATED WITH THE DAMN GOVERNMENT!!
What about Daniel Pearl? Did his head deserve to be cut off on video? What did we do for that? And 9/11, what did we do for that? I bet we deserved that too. You want to defend the acts of lunatics, go right a head. Nobody said what some US soldiers did was right. In fact there was a huge outcry about it. I wonder how much of an outcry you'll hear in the middle east about this man. My guess is next to none.
I'm done wasting my time trying to make you understand. As I previously stated, I don't think we should have been in Iraq. I'm tired of us policing the world. When it comes time, I will vote for Kerry. You don't have to agree with a fight fire with fire methology, but defending their behavior like you do is rediculous.
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everyone is entitled to their own opinion, even if you don't agree. some of you are getting so hot headed because they dont see your point. it is a sensitive topic and many of us feel strongly about what we feel on this subject. like someone said before, agree to disagree.
Oct 2004 bride- that was just my opinion- it doesn't have to be yours. i respect what you say even though i dont completely agree, no need for the big letters TO MAKE YOUR POINT..
yes Octbride I was making a point by including myself.... i wasnt being sarcastic.. sorry if you took it that way!
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everyone is entitled to their own opinion, even if you don't agree. some of you are getting so hot headed because they dont see your point. it is a sensitive topic and many of us feel strongly about what we feel on this subject. like someone said before, agree to disagree.
Oct 2004 bride- that was just my opinion- it doesn't have to be yours. i respect what you say even though i dont completely agree, no need for the big letters TO MAKE YOUR POINT..
I respect you opinion as well, i am just stating mine, the caps weren't a means to be rude just a means to stress ideas. I am assuming you are also talking to all the individuals INCLUDING YOURSELF who have posted IN BIG LETTERS...not just me...right?
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Posted by oct.2004bride yeah our stupid acts was the direct cause of that beheading!
I seriously can't believe you could be so uneducated about a topic.
If you think these TERRORISTS (these were not Iraqi Soldiers per their OWN admission), care about Iraq, you need to study up a bit. They didn't do this because of that, they did it so the world will fear big bad Islamic Fundamentalists, specifically Al Queda. That's what it's about. Up to 1 year ago, Bin Laden wanted Saddam as dead as we did. But now they find a rallying cry to get behind, and low and behold they are there, cutting off someone's head THAT WASN'T ASSOCIATED WITH THE DAMN GOVERNMENT!!
What about Daniel Pearl? Did his head deserve to be cut off on video? What did we do for that? And 9/11, what did we do for that? I bet we deserved that too. You want to defend the acts of lunatics, go right a head. Nobody said what some US soldiers did was right. In fact there was a huge outcry about it. I wonder how much of an outcry you'll hear in the middle east about this man. My guess is next to none.
I'm done wasting my time trying to make you understand. As I previously stated, I don't think we should have been in Iraq. I'm tired of us policing the world. When it comes time, I will vote for Kerry. You don't have to agree with a fight fire with fire methology, but defending their behavior like you do is rediculous.
I don't think you know my stance on this war at all so you do not need to tell me anything about who you are voting for or whether you believe we should be in Iraq. I have yet to defend anyones behavior so for you to say such a thing ...you must be at the bottom of the barrel. I am just trying to show a different perspective...MINE! In no way, shape or form was it a defence to violence. There is a difference. Nobody's head deserves to get cut off. This thread was entitled AMERICAN BEHEADED for ABUSE REVENGE. I do believe this and i mean THIS LAST INCIDENT...SPECIFICALLY, was done in retaliation! THAT IS MY OPINION. I do believe that in THIS INCIDENT it was done intentionally after they showed those pictures of usa GI's abusing Iraqis..
ETA... you stated any eye for an eye...So bascially you want us, as americans to lower our standards and to look even more like hypocrites than we already do...And like you said this last incident was done by let's quote 'If you think these TERRORISTS (these were not Iraqi Soldiers per their OWN admission)' . Why would you state you don't care what happens to Iraqi prisoners anymore? Since like you said they weren't involved? Are you projecting your anger on the wrong individuals??? Now that would really make a point! What it would be i have no idea and what would come of it..more violence
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WOW....Mr. Hostility, I'm saddened that you trivialize this entire effort of the US by your immature comments. Again though, this is a forum for opinions and you are entitled to yours, DO not demean ours because there is no judge to tell you that you are right and we are wrong. You dont know how educated anyone is on this topic, so please voice your opinion and talk maturely and you will be heard, if not, dont bother, no-one is listening....
and as far as the comment about her or my or anyone's FH's being be-headed, that is a sick way of making a point, and shows how mature you are.....
Ya wanna say your point was made, it wasn't.
If that was my FH, I would still have enough respect for our love then to dismantle my entire beliefs and watch the violence bestowed on him given to another.... even those who's hands did it to him...actually I'd probably join the peace corp if that happened
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WOW....Mr. Hostility, I'm saddened that you trivialize this entire effort of the US by your immature comments. Again though, this is a forum for opinions and you are entitled to yours, DO not demean ours because there is no judge to tell you that you are right and we are wrong.
Give it up with the right and wrong sh*t. I don't care about your opinion, and I don't care if you don't care about mine. I'm SAD for the people who are dying over there, something you fail miserably to grasp. I wish they didn't have to be there, and in reality, they didn't have to. I was trying to make people like understand my opinion, not try to force it on you.
Furthermore, I'll say or do any damn thing I please. Do I care you think I'm immature? Nope, not one bit. Do I give a flying f*ck if you listen or not? Nope. If my opinion agreed with yours, I cease being immature, no doubt. There were SEVERAL others who agreed with my opinion on this forum, I'm the only one standing behind it in this thread.
Since this is never going to go anywhere productive, this is my last post in this thread. You can use the rest of it bullsh*tting the day away about how he had it coming, and deserved to have his head chopped off.
