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New Law Banning Overtime Pay!

Original post by kmcwed

Hi everyone,

My DH just told me last night that the Pres. is trying to pass a new law (or bill) that would deny overtime pay to anyone in a supervisory position, and anyone who earns $65,000 and over a year.

It would include all our nurses, EMTs, fireman, policemen, you name it! Most of these professions depend on OT pay to make ends meet. Most of these workers, and most people in general, have no idea this new labor law could come into effect.

Congress has been debating it for months! Yesterday, congress voted to end the debate. The vote wasn't sucessful, and so the debate (thankfully) goes on. Unfortunately, both sides of the senate believe eventually this law will pass.

What can we do?

Write to your congressman/woman and let them know you are AGAINST this new law.

You can contact them through

US SENATE

Just look up your State and find your senators.

Sassyz75 Posted:

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They aren't talking about taking away overtime pay for everyone... plus is you are already an hourly worked- like Kate's husband- then I don't think they CAN take away your OT because you aren't salaried.

However, if you are in a supervisory position- that's pretty much the case with OT because YOU are making the schedules and when you are management that supposedly 'comes with the territory'
Samanthas Mom Posted:

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I dont get OT anymore anyway! now that I am an atty
and DH doesnt either! only SGT and LT's
captains only get OT in time! totally s*cks! so little by little they do it lots of places like the NYPD anyway
Kate Posted:

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Dina - thanks for the clarification!


Tammyjill - You know I heard that too. My friends husband is a Captain and get no OT. she also said that along way, through all his promotions. The benefits changed everytime and actually got worse! So do they think that they give you a promotion and a token pay raise, and you then you won't notice that your dental plan (or whatever) covers less work if at all?
Samanthas Mom Posted:

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so far benefits have not change but a raise can be less pay b/c the overtime is in TIME NOT CASH, the funny thing is it is a token promotion and you lose money! and sometimes depending where you go then have to pay a toll to go to work
yabbobay Posted:

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Posted by Sassyz75

what happens when I am working and I'm in the middle of something and it's 5.00 pm and time to go home? I finish it.




there is a difference...b/c many of the jobs that get OT are considered blue collar...they have to punch a time clock...there are distinct ways of being treated...


also...nothing stopping you from organizing the workers at your job into a union
reallybehind! Posted:

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okay i'm not sure if this is the bill we're talking about, but it looks like it.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c108:1:./temp/~c108n6egs7::

it basically says though that instead of overtime pay you get comp time. make of it what you will.......
yabbobay Posted:

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thanks for looking that up...

I wouldn't mind comp time...however, I imagine their are alot of people who have bought houses based on their OT pay...maybe they could grandfather something in...
Betty Posted:

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OK..I wrote to Senator Clinton and got this response. Call me an idiot but I find it confusing

Thank you for writing to me about the Fiscal Year (FY) 2004 Omnibus
Appropriations Bill. The bill includes funding for 11 of the 15 cabinet
departments and numerous government agencies. As such, it contains many
provisions which are essential to the operation of important government
programs, as well as funding for priorities that are vitally important
to New York State. However, I share your concerns about many of the
measures included in this bill, which I do not think reflect priorities
that are important to New York or the nation. Following are a few
examples of what I consider to be misguided measures in the bill:
Overtime Regulations. The conference report accompanying the bill does
not include a provision that was included in the Senate-passed
Labor-Department of Health and Human Services appropriations bill to block
proposed Administration rules limiting overtime pay - a priority of
corporate special interest groups.
Country-of-Origin Labeling. The conference report blocks for two years
enforcement of a law requiring the labeling of the country from which
meat and vegetables are imported. The delay prevents consumers from
knowing where the food they purchase is grown and overturns a law that is
important to America's farmers. Meat packers sought this delay.

Media Ownership. Both the House-passed and Senate Committee-reported
versions of the Commerce, Justice, and State appropriations bill included
language to limit the number of media stations under shared ownership
to a capacity of 35 percent of the nationwide television audience.
Conferees initially agreed to retain these provisions, which would have
blocked implementation of a rule to raise the limit to 45 percent. The
conference committee overrode the House and Senate decisions and the
conference report instead permanently raises the cap to 39 percent of the
audience.

Gun Purchase Records. The conference report includes new language that
requires the government to destroy records of background checks for gun
purchasers within 24 hours rather than the current 90 days. This
proposal was not considered by either the House or the Senate before being
added by conferees with no public scrutiny.

While these measures favoring special interests are included in the
bill, the legislation fails to address critical priorities of many
Americans who will not be helped by this bill. If the current bill is passed,
24,000 fewer children will be served by Title I education programs;
5,500 fewer children will be able to take part in Head Start programs;
26,500 fewer veterans will receive the medical care they need; and $170
million will be cut from needed highway construction projects. These are
just a few examples of the cuts that will be made simply because the
bill avoids setting priorities and making tough choices even as it
contains numerous special interest provisions.

The Senate is scheduled to consider the FY 2004 Omnibus Appropriations
Bill when we reconvene on January 20, 2004. Please be assured that I
will continue to work with my colleagues to see that this bill more
accurately reflects the needs of New York State and the nation. Again, I
thank you for sharing your concerns with me. Please check my website at
http://clinton.senate.gov, for updates on this and other important
issues being discussed before the United States Senate.

Sincerely yours,
Hillary Rodham Clinton

swags1016 Posted:

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OK I am one unhappy camper about this!

My DH is a teamster and NO he does not make great money or even good money- it is decent at best. He can get overtime and it can also be forced over time. In his plant the higher you are on the seniority ladder the more often you get forced. (Some of you may remember the end of the summer). The one saving grace to this is the money that he makes in this over time. But now, if this law would pass he could (but he is under 65k so maybe not) forced to work 13 hour days every day for no extra money.

Someone brought up the difference with salaried employees and this. This is just my opinion- he is not salaried- he does not get a paid lunch so he works 9 hours (8 paid and 1 hour for lunch), if he is more than an hour late to work (traffic, mass transit car broke down, whatever) they send him home UNPAID! If he has to leave work early- he is UNPAID- he cannot make up the time. He gets 3 weeks vacation (which is very good and I am not complaining, but it goes by seniority), and 6 sick days the whole year. If he calls out sick from Thanksgiving to New Years he will not get paid. He days do not carry from one year to the next but he does get paid for any unused days prior to Thanksgiving. But IMO 6 is not a lot.

So I think this is a horribly unfair thing and will definitely be making some calls!!!
Sassyz75 Posted:

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If he doesn't make 65k I don't think has to worry...

reallybehind! Posted:

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hmmm... that didn't make sense to me either. it sounded like she was trying to say there was something in the senate version that tried to block talk of overtime changes, but that it wasn't in the house version?

is 6 sick days that unusual? at my job now i get 6 sick days and 10 vacation days. do most people get more sick time? man this stinks!!
Imagin916 Posted:

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If this law passes, than I am finding a new profession! Luckily, my hospital is union, and they cannot mandate us to stay except in the case of an emergency, but many hospitals do. You could easily wind up working 4 or 5 shifts a week, 2 of which you wouldnt get paid for. All they would have to do is cry emergency, and you would have to work. This would be an easy way for hospitals to get out of hiring more staff, ect. Same thing would apply to police, firefighters, emt's, ect.

AtticaQT Posted:

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Posted by alina

Many occupations don't pay for overtime as it is. If I am not done with my work at 5pm, I get to stay and finish it, for free




me too...
kmcwed Posted:

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The House of Representatives already passed it. Now it's in the Senate, and that's where they are trying to block it, or at least change some of it.

To be more specific, it would deny OT pay to anyone who earns over 65,000+ a year doing non-manual labor, OR who is in a position which can be considered supervisory in nature. It doesn't matter if you are union or not, the changes would effect EVERYONE in those categories.

Someone posted that $65,000 a year is not a bad salary. But if you really think about it, what if you are the sole support in the family, have a wife and maybe a child or two, you own a home and pay taxes, have a car and pay insurance, $65,000 a year is not going to get you too far. Many people in those positions rely on their OT pay. To take it away is outrageous!

What good is getting your OT in time? Time can't pay the bills or feed the children.

Bush really screwed up on this one.
swags1016 Posted:

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Posted by reallybehind!

is 6 sick days that unusual? at my job now i get 6 sick days and 10 vacation days. do most people get more sick time? man this stinks!!



To me it does- When I had a corporate job I had 10 sick days my first year and now that I am a teacher I get 10 a year plus 2 personal days and I can accumulate them. Right now I have close to 83 sicks available to me. I don't know when he first told me that it sounded like so few- I could be wrong.
kmcwed Posted:

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There was a list somewhere that showed all the professions that would be effected by the changes. Now I can't find it....
kmcwed Posted:

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Here's a partial list...

Affected professions

Jobs expected to be affected most by proposed overtime rule revisions:

• nurses

• retail managers

• dental hygienists

• secretaries

• paralegals

• bookkeepers

• emergency medical technicians

• police officers

• firefighters

• sales reps

• journalists

• lab technicians

• technical writers

• cooks

• factory supervisors



kmcwed Posted:

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Some more info...

Corporate and business employers have joined forces with the Bush Administration and anti-employee Republican legislators to undermine overtime pay protections for millions of low and middle-income workers. In an avowed effort to avoid lawsuits, the Bush Department of Labor has proposed regulations to the Fair Labor Standards Act that would remove the right to be paid for overtime from non-supervisory, mid-level workers. Workers who might lose overtime pay include medical health professionals, computer technicians, nurses, police officers, firefighters, cooks, secretaries, dentists, surveyors, designers, graphic artists, paralegals and many other white-collar workers making $10 or more per hour.

Workers who receive overtime depend on it for an average of 25% of their income, and often welcome the opportunity to work extra hours because the extra work allows them to pay for healthcare, childcare, housing and transportation costs without having to get a second part-time job. Without overtime pay protections, these workers will have no defense if their employer demands that they work excessive hours. The Department of Labor's proposed changes would especially hurt women and single heads of households who must juggle their work schedules with daycare and family responsibilities.

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