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white smoke coming from the vatican. BELLS ARE RINGING NEW POPE!!!!!!!!

Original post by june262004

There is white smoke coming from the vatican. But no bells yet.

Shorty McBride Posted:

Re: white smoke coming from the vatican. BELLS ARE RINGING NEW POPE!!!!!!!!

he's outside, and greeting the square...

apparently he was 'the favorite' going into the election, and the news crews are surprised it took 4 votes to elect him. They thought it'd go much more quickly.
tracyg Posted:

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Posted by shorty the pumpkin

Apparently Benedict XV was a very modern Pope - there seems to be worry already that the new Pope will be another modern pope, based on the name he chose.



I don't know about that.
Here's what CNN says about him.

Once the archbishop of Munich and for many years prefect of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith, Ratzinger, 78, is one of the most powerful men in the Vatican and is widely acknowledged as a leading theologian. Ratzinger has served for 20 years as John Paul II's chief theological adviser. As a young priest he was on the progressive side of theological debates but shifted to the right after the student revolutions of 1968. In the Vatican, he has been the driving force behind crackdowns on liberation theology, religious pluralism, challenges to traditional moral teachings on issues such as homosexuality, and dissent on such issues as women's ordination. The dean of the College of Cardinals since November 2002, he was elevated to cardinal
Shorty McBride Posted:

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Posted by Anniegrl


Posted by shorty the pumpkin

he will be known as Pope Benedict XVI



How do they come up with the name? Anybody know?



The new Pope chooses it himself...personal preference.
Shorty McBride Posted:

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Posted by tracyg


Posted by shorty the pumpkin

Apparently Benedict XV was a very modern Pope - there seems to be worry already that the new Pope will be another modern pope, based on the name he chose.



I don't know about that.
Here's what CNN says about him.

Once the archbishop of Munich and for many years prefect of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith, Ratzinger, 78, is one of the most powerful men in the Vatican and is widely acknowledged as a leading theologian. Ratzinger has served for 20 years as John Paul II's chief theological adviser. As a young priest he was on the progressive side of theological debates but shifted to the right after the student revolutions of 1968. In the Vatican, he has been the driving force behind crackdowns on liberation theology, religious pluralism, challenges to traditional moral teachings on issues such as homosexuality, and dissent on such issues as women's ordination. The dean of the College of Cardinals since November 2002, he was elevated to cardinal



I'm going on what the priest on MSNBC is saying... they're hoping Benedict XVI doesn't follow the footsteps of Benedict XV too closely.
RedHead Posted:

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can anyone imagine being named POPE!!!

OMG....
Shorty McBride Posted:

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Is it just me, or is he older than expected?

tracyg Posted:

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ok, I wasn't debating, just showing why I'm upset they picked who they did.

Aga Posted:

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I am glad with the choice he reminds me a lot of John Paul II
Shorty McBride Posted:

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There have been 5 German Popes, but he is the first in about 1000 years.

Shorty McBride Posted:

Re: white smoke coming from the vatican. BELLS ARE RINGING NEW POPE!!!!!!!!


Posted by tracyg

ok, I wasn't debating, just showing why I'm upset they picked who they did.



I totally agree with you ---- he wasn't my choice, but let's just hope things work out well.
RedHead Posted:

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Posted by shorty the pumpkin

Is it just me, or is he older than expected?



i was watching some new show that said they want to pick older popes so their reign is shorter
spazybride04 Posted:

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LOL.. DH was going for a Spanish Pope cause he's Spanish.. and I was going for the German one cause I'm German... maybe I should've made a little bet... LOL.

Did they say why they cleared the Square?
or did I miss that. My video went down on MSN right before he came out! grrrr

eogara Posted:

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Posted by shorty the pumpkin

Is it just me, or is he older than expected?



No, they figured he'd be old. No one wanted another 26 year reign.
Shorty McBride Posted:

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Posted by eogara


Posted by shorty the pumpkin

Is it just me, or is he older than expected?



No, they figured he'd be old. No one wanted another 26 year reign.



I guess so...

Even the church is so political...
eogara Posted:

Re: white smoke coming from the vatican. BELLS ARE RINGING NEW POPE!!!!!!!!


Posted by shorty the pumpkin


Posted by eogara


Posted by shorty the pumpkin

Is it just me, or is he older than expected?



No, they figured he'd be old. No one wanted another 26 year reign.



I guess so...

Even the church is so political...



Even?!?!

ESPECIALLY! Politics at its best
SweetCin704 Posted:

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Thank you for keeping me up to date. I was the first to know in my Catholic School & told our principal.

Shorty, I think last week they said they were looking for an older pope b/c they Did NOT want another 26 year pope.
Shorty McBride Posted:

Re: white smoke coming from the vatican. BELLS ARE RINGING NEW POPE!!!!!!!!


Posted by eogara

Even?!?!

ESPECIALLY! Politics at its best




I was thinking about you --- I hope you're not sad anymore!!!
eogara Posted:

Re: white smoke coming from the vatican. BELLS ARE RINGING NEW POPE!!!!!!!!


Posted by shorty the pumpkin


Posted by eogara

Even?!?!

ESPECIALLY! Politics at its best




I was thinking about you --- I hope you're not sad anymore!!!



much better, thank you
eogara Posted:

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All I can say is THANK GOD he's 78... how long could this man possibly stay in power. Hopefully NOT long... Vatican I here we come

from BBC

To some, he is the Catholic Church's intellectual salvation during a time of confusion and compromise. To others, he is an intimidating 'Enforcer', punishing liberal thinkers, and keeping the Church in the Middle Ages. Certainly, in the world's largest Christian community the Pope's prefect of doctrine, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, cannot be overlooked.

Against dissent

While many theologians strive for a Catholic Church that is more open and in touch with the world around it, Ratzinger's mission is to stamp out dissent, and curb the 'wild excesses' of this more tolerant era.

He wields the tools of his office with steely efficiency. By influencing diocese budgets, bishops' transfers and even excommunications, what an opponent calls 'symbolic violence', Ratzinger has clamped down on the more radical contingent of the Church.

He has even claimed the prime position of the Church of Rome over other Christian Churches. Although he has apologised for this, he has never been so contrite about excluding liberation theologians, more progressive priests or those in favour of the ordination of women.

Charming

Personally charming, quick-witted and fluent in four languages, the Cardinal is a convincing orator. Jesuit Father Thomas Reese calls him 'a delightful dialogue partner', but adds that most of the Cardinal's fellow clergy would be too worried about the prospect of excommunication to enjoy talking to him.

When Ratzinger served the Second Vatican Council for three years from 1962, he supported reform. His own background, however, perhaps sheds light on his need for a Church that stands firm against the currents of change and political shifts.

Schooled in the Nazis' power of rhetoric during his childhood in Bavaria, Ratzinger later deserted the German Army during World War II, only to be sent to a POW camp when the Allies reached his hometown.

Later, as an eminent theologian lecturing at Germany's premier faculties, he was horrified by the Marxist ideologies that punctuated campus small talk in the late 1960s.

'Papal fundamentalism'

Since then, Ratzinger has pursued doctrine that can endure, independent of cultural or social trends. He argues that only with a completely separate values system can the Church offer individual freedom. His critics call this 'papal fundamentalism', but Ratzinger is unflappable in his personal theology.

The Cardinal claims that 'everything falls apart without truth'. Whether his noble aims justify his tactics is just one of the issues challenging the Catholic Church today.
bedda26 Posted:

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DH said all along that it was going to be the guy from Germany...It's going to be weird getting used to the new name Pope Benedict....

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