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NWR: Am I wrong for thinking this is ridiculous? (Do I call his sister??)

Original post by LisaJill

FI and I have been together for almost 4 yrs. He is 31, I am 28. We have been living together for over a year. After living together for a while, I found that he was not receiving ANY credit card bills or bank statements or cell phone bills. They were all going to his moms. Every month, his mom would review all his bills and pay them from his checking account (which she shared!). In June of this year i finally said enough. We had a WAR. He would bring his laundry to her once every week or two to do, she made his lunches, he would sleep there a lot, and she paid his bills! So after fighting ALOT, he finally got his own bank account and did his own laundry (I know she still does some!). Well today I find out that when he goes to her he brings all his button downs and leaves them with her and she irons them for him. This is freaking ridiculous. He is a GROWN MAN. He could easily drop off his shirts at the cleaners for like a buck a shirt. Insteady mommy does it. And he has this sense of greatfulness because she 'helps him out' so much.
I am totally sick of this nonsense. I told him I wanted it to stop and his statement, 'you don't appreciate how much this helps me' and 'I don't see my fiance doing my ironing'. Is he kidding me? He certainly has time to play freaking videogames! He could def. do his own laundry and ironing. I just addressed this and he got up and walked out, telling me I nag.
I hate that he doesn't just see this bothers me and stop it, and I hate that she doesn't tell her 'baby boy' that she is not his freaking slave. I am sooooo PEEVED. He just left! Am I wrong for being really irate about mommy's laundering service? Please advise!!!
lulugrrl Posted:

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sooo funny, this is the EXACT situation I had with my FH. Mom was still balancing checkbook, everything. SO after he moved in, I basically told him, I would NOT move forward with someone that could not handle his own finances, that was the bottom line, and I meant it. He was babied wayyyyy to long, and his mom can be a bit controlling, still does some of his buttoned shirts, but it saves me from doing them, so I don't care. Everthing else is under control now, and our relationship is MUCH better sans mommy!

chloeme2 Posted:

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Posted by soontobe2007

seriously...take some advice GET OUT while u still can. He is a MANBOY. I am so aggrivated reading your post. Its sad, I dont understand how grown men play video games. its just pathetic. I could never be with someone like that and i have heard girls like you get involved with these MANBOYS before...its not good!!! My man does the bills, he cooks, cleans, does laundry and works about 70 hours a week, no video game playing going on in my house!!!




Wow, a bit harsh don't you think? It's OK to have opinions but try to go easy when dishing out advice. This is a couple's future we are talking about and IMO we need to be careful how we say things and what we say. She already feels bad enough about her situation and needs people to advise her in a positive, unconditional way rather than a judgemental, hasteful manner. This future bride has a lot to consider as it is so let's avoid making her feel like she'd be an idiot to stay.
P.S. I know many mature, responsable men who play video games. I play video
games sometimes
. Everyone has different interests....thers's nothing wrong w/that
LisaJill Posted:

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I didn't sleep again yesterday. I can't concentrate at work and I want to just get up and walk out. He didn't speak a word to me yesterday, left today without even so much as sneezing in my direction. He just sent me a text message telling me that he thinks this relationship is over and that he can't be with someone that stands in the way of the relationship he has with his family. He becomes the great defender of his family and I am the bad guy. All I want is for us to function as our own separate entity and I want to be the one that makes his life better, I don't want it to be his mom. That is what couples are supposed to do, help each other and rely on each other. His mom should not be a part of this at all. We should be building a stable relationship for a marriage right now and we should be getting rid of the things that are not good for a married family. Why does he refuse to recognize that it should be the two of for each other and his mother should not be part of us.
As for his video games, i tried to talk to him yesterday and he would not even pause his game. Men should not be children. If they want to play games it should at least be limited to a few times per week (not every available hour they have) and it should not interfere with their relationship.
I am so confused.
and I hate working like this.
lulugrrl Posted:

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Posted by LisaJill

I didn't sleep again yesterday. I can't concentrate at work and I want to just get up and walk out. He didn't speak a word to me yesterday, left today without even so much as sneezing in my direction. He just sent me a text message telling me that he thinks this relationship is over and that he can't be with someone that stands in the way of the relationship he has with his family. He becomes the great defender of his family and I am the bad guy. All I want is for us to function as our own separate entity and I want to be the one that makes his life better, I don't want it to be his mom. That is what couples are supposed to do, help each other and rely on each other. His mom should not be a part of this at all. We should be building a stable relationship for a marriage right now and we should be getting rid of the things that are not good for a married family. Why does he refuse to recognize that it should be the two of for each other and his mother should not be part of us.
As for his video games, i tried to talk to him yesterday and he would not even pause his game. Men should not be children. If they want to play games it should at least be limited to a few times per week (not every available hour they have) and it should not interfere with their relationship.
I am so confused.
and I hate working like this.




I am so sorry you are going through all this. When I first read your post I felt we were in a similar situation, and it was fixed rather easily for me. BUt it sounds that he might still have some growing up to do, to be a good husband for you. Counseling would be great. I hope he can open his mind up for you. Good luck with it all, and bottom line...you need to be happy!
suven Posted:

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Posted by LisaJill

I didn't sleep again yesterday. I can't concentrate at work and I want to just get up and walk out. He didn't speak a word to me yesterday, left today without even so much as sneezing in my direction. He just sent me a text message telling me that he thinks this relationship is over and that he can't be with someone that stands in the way of the relationship he has with his family. He becomes the great defender of his family and I am the bad guy. All I want is for us to function as our own separate entity and I want to be the one that makes his life better, I don't want it to be his mom. That is what couples are supposed to do, help each other and rely on each other. His mom should not be a part of this at all. We should be building a stable relationship for a marriage right now and we should be getting rid of the things that are not good for a married family. Why does he refuse to recognize that it should be the two of for each other and his mother should not be part of us.
As for his video games, i tried to talk to him yesterday and he would not even pause his game. Men should not be children. If they want to play games it should at least be limited to a few times per week (not every available hour they have) and it should not interfere with their relationship.
I am so confused.
and I hate working like this.





My honest advice is that you should let him go...this relationship (which includes 3 of you) is not healthy now and it will only get more unhealthy if it's not corrected. And, it sounds like he does not want to make a single change whatsoever.
PrincessRose Posted:

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Posted by suven



My honest advice is that you should let him go...this relationship (which includes 3 of you) is not healthy now and it will only get more unhealthy if it's not corrected. And, it sounds like he does not want to make a single change whatsoever.



I'm with Susan - I'm not bothered so much by the video games (except for the fact that he wouldn't pause it to talk to you) but he's gotta let go of Mommy. You'll be better off.
12-3Princess Posted:

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Posted by LisaJill

I didn't sleep again yesterday. I can't concentrate at work and I want to just get up and walk out. He didn't speak a word to me yesterday, left today without even so much as sneezing in my direction. He just sent me a text message telling me that he thinks this relationship is over and that he can't be with someone that stands in the way of the relationship he has with his family. He becomes the great defender of his family and I am the bad guy. All I want is for us to function as our own separate entity and I want to be the one that makes his life better, I don't want it to be his mom. That is what couples are supposed to do, help each other and rely on each other. His mom should not be a part of this at all. We should be building a stable relationship for a marriage right now and we should be getting rid of the things that are not good for a married family. Why does he refuse to recognize that it should be the two of for each other and his mother should not be part of us.
As for his video games, i tried to talk to him yesterday and he would not even pause his game. Men should not be children. If they want to play games it should at least be limited to a few times per week (not every available hour they have) and it should not interfere with their relationship.
I am so confused.
and I hate working like this.



Lisa,
I love you and think everything you are hoping and asking for are more than reasonable. I know you have tried so hard, especially in the past year or so, to work out these serious concerns and issues. At times things seem to get better, but we return to this same place, and that is why my heart really aches for you. There is only so much you can do, unfortunately, and the rest is up to him.
I think we can all see that things cannot go on as they are if you two are going to be happy together.
I am trying to put myself in your place, and I think I would have more hope if he at least had the DESIRE to change things. The thing that really concerns me most is that he doesn't even seem to admit or recognize that there even is a problem, let alone do anything to fix it, which is why, perhaps, he won't go for counseling.
I am not one who believes that everything has to be 'perfect' for two people to get married. I think differences in people can go a long way in balancing things out about each other, and can be healthy and good.
You know that, prior to my marriage, I had some concerns with my own DH and some issues he had with trust given some problems he had growing up that seem to affect him sometimes today, even though he's not a child anymore. Everyone has some kind of baggage. I worried too, if I should call off my wedding.
You know what happened and how that turned out. I was fortunate that DH realized he had some issues to work out (which, really, is the first step in solving any problem) and he subsequently agreed to go to counseling with me. We were fortunate to be able to work through that, and so, on my wedding day, I was able to walk down that aisle without doubts in my mind, and knowing that DH and I had what it takes to get through some really tough things.
Marriage will NOT make ANYTHING any easier. I know you know this, but sometimes it's hard to remember and realize, when times are so exciting and happy, that these problems will NEVER go away unless you can BOTH admit there's a problem and work together to fix it.
I am not telling you to call off the wedding. I would never even attempt to make a decision like that for you. I am saying that if I were you, I would truly think long and hard about my future. I would try my very hardest to get through to him and make him realize how very serious this is, and how very honest you need to be with each other. I would try everything to get him to see the problem... I would truly fight to be with the man I love, if I believed in my heart that we could be happy together for the rest of our lives. If I couldn't get through to him though, I would walk away, and I would remind myself every day of the pain I'm saving myself from, and perhaps any future children as well.
So my advice is to try until you feel like you've exhausted everything you can do - and before you've gotten to that point, I hope and pray for you that he will see the problem and want to make things right as much as you do. If not, then I do pray that you realize that you DO have the strength to leave him.
You are strong, independent, smart, and beautiful Lisa. You deserve to be happy and life is to short to feel bad more than you feel good. No one knows your 'realest', most intimate relationship with your FH except for you. No one can try to understand what you have together except for you two. So search yourself and be honest with yourself and with each other, and you will know the right thing to do, whatever that is.
I will support you every step of the way with anything I can do, no matter what.
LisaJill Posted:

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thanks for your support. You truly are amazing. We might not be shopping for wedding stuff when you come to visit.

And to make matters worse, I have already eaten like 5 chocolate cookies, I can't help myself... they are the only thing that make me feel ok.
12-3Princess Posted:

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Posted by LisaJill

thanks for your support. You truly are amazing. We might not be shopping for wedding stuff when you come to visit.

And to make matters worse, I have already eaten like 5 chocolate cookies, I can't help myself... they are the only thing that make me feel ok.




Fine. We will either shop for wedding stuff OR we will eat chocolate cookies. I will eat 5 for every 1 that you eat.
LisaJill Posted:

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LaurenluvsTJ Posted:

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I am truly sorry you are going through this.
It is such a hard thing to think about, whether or not to call off a wedding. Remember people do it all the time. If you feel that it is best for YOU to end the relationship, then that is the most important thing. Forget about deposits and all those things, they do not matter. Can you see yourself with this man in a year from now, 5 years from now? How do you see you life if you are with him?
I almost got engaged to a guy who was in love with his dad. He did everything his dad told him to do. He always went to his dad first. After almost 4 years of dating, it was his dad who he sought out for advice and everything else. His dad hated me and did everything possible to make my life miserable. I thought long and hard about what my life would be like if I stayed with this guy, and knew that it would be the biggest mistake in the world to stay with him. It was one of the hardest things I ever had to do, but was the best decision I could have made. If we had gotten engaged and married, I gurantee I would have already been divorced. Now I am with the most wonderful man in the world and have no doubts about my future.
I am not saying this is the same for you, as everyone's situations are different. But please put a lot of thought into it. I wish you the best...
otherme Posted:

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If he's saying that maybe you two should call it all off, and then won't even pause the video game to listen to you when you want to talk to him.. it seems like he's just being ridiculously childish and immature.

If its possible - suggest that he go to counseling with you to truly show you that he really wants to make your relationship work. If he won't go, then tell him you're going to leave (or kick him out, whichever works) and then stick to that plan.
You can't make a threat like that and then not carry through with it because then he'll never take you seriously again.

I honestly wish you luck - it sounds like he truly doesn't see the issues and that he needs to let go of the childish relationship he has with his mother. Having a relationship with you doesn't mean that he can't have one with his mother, but it does mean that you come first and he needs to learn how to do things for himself. What would happen if something (god forbid) were to happen to you and his mother?? Would he have a clue how to function in life? He should know how to be self sufficient not only for your sake, but for his own and any future family you may have.

If he won't go to counseling, and won't see that he should change. Then i hate to say it, but you're better off without him.

JanuaryBride06 Posted:

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roxyspark Posted:

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I was engaged before to a momma's boy, he even proposed to me with her mother's ring.

I had kept my mouth shut in the beginning of our relationship and things only got worse. I couldn't stand it anymore and when I said something, I was the bad guy.

After 4 years of dating, I broke it off and even though it was hard, it was the best thing I ever did.

You have to look out for yourself and if this situation is making you miserable, you have to fix it. The answer may be counseling or taking a break from him, but things will not get better on their own.
Good luck!
Blu-ize Posted:

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Lisa...I'm giving you hugs


{{{{Lisa}}}}

LisaJill Posted:

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Should I call his sister? She is 34 with two young kids. We don't have a friendship, but she has always been nice to me. She is close with her mom but she knows her mom is a bit nutty. Maybe I can just speak with her and tell her how much I love her brother and want to spend my life with him ( ) and I need to see if she can understand. Maybe if someone besides me approaches him, maybe someone else who can help me convince him that what he is doing isn't right. He just keeps telling me that I am 'nagging' him and getting in the way of his 'happiness' and that it is because I have something against his family. Truth be told, I am starting to really resent his mom for not having seperated herself from him. I am just so frustrated. I love this man and have tried so hard to just make us into a true healthy couple. What do you guys think?
SillyBeans Posted:

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It really depends on how his sister would react to you calling her. I can't imagine that she would be upset that you are calling her, but if your FH finds out, how will he react? I really feel for you and he needs to realize how upset you are. If he insists on being like that with his mom, he's going to wind up a lonely old man !
suven Posted:

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no, you shouldn't call his sister. That will just seem like you are trying to 'go against' the mother and get her daughter 'against' her mother.

Besides, let's say you did call the sister (and just for argument's sake) the sister is able to resolve this for you....

What happens next time there is a problem? Do you call the sister again? and then again? and then...you see where I'm going, right?

You'd still be the odd person out..
12-3Princess Posted:

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I'm not sure if you're still contemplating calling his sister since this post is from yesterday . . . If you're still considering it and looking for outside opinions, let us know!
otherme Posted:

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I agree with Suven..
Don't call the sister if you're not already good friends with her.
It might make your fiance think that you're trying to get her on your side and therefore further break up the family (since thats what he seems to think you're doing anyway).
I would only call the sister if you already know that she thinks her brother and mother have an unhealthy relationship. Otherwise you'll only cause more problems for yourself with that family.

Let us know what happens and i wish you the best of luck with this situation.

Remember, you have to ultimately take care of YOURSELF and if you think you're always going to be second in his eyes and his mom will always be first.. then i'd do some serious reconsidering of your plans for any future with him. You don't want to end up marrying him, hoping that it will change, because it won't. Thats the oldest mistake that women make, thinking they can change a man once they're married.

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