Re: A nice debate for a Monday morning

Yeh, yeh bring that into the debate :) And Clinton was oh so honest - 'I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky!! ' You gotta wonder when a president lies about that what else he was lying about......C'mon you know all politicians lie to a certain extent.

BUT -- Bush has lowered taxes for every American in the last 4 yrs. Don't know about you but I got a nice decrease in taxes, plus with the elimination of marriage penalty and home interest rates being at the lowest ever, some things are ok.


My friend who is an accountant said she is voting for Bush because she is sure that Kerry is going to raise taxes esp. since he looked directly into the camera and said he wouldnt - nice foreshadowing there.

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Posted by verdila

Yeh, yeh bring that into the debate :) And Clinton was oh so honest - 'I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky!! ' You gotta wonder when a president lies about that what else he was lying about......C'mon you know all politicians lie to a certain extent.

BUT -- Bush has lowered taxes for every American in the last 4 yrs. Don't know about you but I got a nice decrease in taxes, plus with the elimination of marriage penalty and home interest rates being at the lowest ever, some things are ok.


My friend who is an accountant said she is voting for Bush because she is sure that Kerry is going to raise taxes esp. since he looked directly into the camera and said he wouldnt - nice foreshadowing there.

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Right he's lowered taxes and increased spending and put us in the future position to have MAJOR problems b/c of the defecit. It is not fiscallly responsible. WE're going to have to pay for this somehow.. and I'd rather do it now, a little at a time, before we are in a major crisis. This is not a game, you lower taxes b/c you can, not to be popular. We can't afford this right now.

You would decide to make less money at your job and spend four fold more, would you? Does that make sense?

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I don't really think thelower taxes have helped the economy at all. The $300 you or I could get back can add up to billions to help us get out of the defecit and solve some of our social problems, keep us better protected, or help the soldiers in Iraq, whatever you choose And the main tax cut Kerry is looking to roll back is on the VERY wealthy. I don't think he';s looking to take food out of our babies' mouths. Maybe it's just b/c I'm so 'liberal' but I don't mind paying higher taxs if it means more children can have healthcare or get a better education, or the fire house down the street doesn't have to close, etc etc. The tax cuts only helpd the very wealthy. Goverment programs help the very poor and help to close the gap that is getting wider and wider and will continue to widen under more republican rule. I'd rather someone take the a few dollars out of my pocket and many out of the pcets of the very wealthy and give it to people who don't need it.

And I think wit the abortion issue, no matter what side you're on, the conservatives are going about it thw wrong way. You want fewer abortions? Then teach people about birth control and make it available to them, you can't hold people up to your moral 'abstinence only' standards. With Bush in office don't be surprised if your BC isn't covered by your insurance compnay anymore. Don't be surprised if Roe v Wade is overturned, but you know what, I'd would LOVE to see that day come, because you bet your white male republican asses, it would start a REVOLUTION and women would stand up for our rights, and men's heads would SPIN. They really would. All of these Wasps would NOT know what hit them.

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I don't really think thelower taxes have helped the economy at all. The $300 you or I could get back can add up to billions to help us get out of the defecit and solve some of our social problems, keep us better protected, or help the soldiers in Iraq, whatever you choose And the main tax cut Kerry is looking to roll back is on the VERY wealthy. I don't think he';s looking to take food out of our babies' mouths. Maybe it's just b/c I'm so 'liberal' but I don't mind paying higher taxs if it means more children can have healthcare or get a better education, or the fire house down the street doesn't have to close, etc etc. The tax cuts only helpd the very wealthy. Goverment programs help the very poor and help to close the gap that is getting wider and wider and will continue to widen under more republican rule. I'd rather someone take the a few dollars out of my pocket and many out of the pcets of the very wealthy and give it to people who don't need it.

And I think wit the abortion issue, no matter what side you're on, the conservatives are going about it thw wrong way. You want fewer abortions? Then teach people about birth control and make it available to them, you can't hold people up to your moral 'abstinence only' standards. With Bush in office don't be surprised if your BC isn't covered by your insurance compnay anymore. Don't be surprised if Roe v Wade is overturned, but you know what, I'd would LOVE to see that day come, because you bet your white male republican asses, it would start a REVOLUTION and women would stand up for our rights, and men's heads would SPIN. They really would. All of these Wasps would NOT know what hit them.

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Posted by marymoon

I don't really think thelower taxes have helped the economy at all. The $300 you or I could get back can add up to billions to help us get out of the defecit and solve some of our social problems, keep us better protected, or help the soldiers in Iraq, whatever you choose And the main tax cut Kerry is looking to roll back is on the VERY wealthy. I don't think he';s looking to take food out of our babies' mouths. Maybe it's just b/c I'm so 'liberal' but I don't mind paying higher taxs if it means more children can have healthcare or get a better education, or the fire house down the street doesn't have to close, etc etc. The tax cuts only helpd the very wealthy. Goverment programs help the very poor and help to close the gap that is getting wider and wider and will continue to widen under more republican rule. I'd rather someone take the a few dollars out of my pocket and many out of the pcets of the very wealthy and give it to people who don't need it.

And I think wit the abortion issue, no matter what side you're on, the conservatives are going about it thw wrong way. You want fewer abortions? Then teach people about birth control and make it available to them, you can't hold people up to your moral 'abstinence only' standards. With Bush in office don't be surprised if your BC isn't covered by your insurance compnay anymore. Don't be surprised if Roe v Wade is overturned, but you know what, I'd would LOVE to see that day come, because you bet your white male republican asses, it would start a REVOLUTION and women would stand up for our rights, and men's heads would SPIN. They really would. All of these Wasps would NOT know what hit them.

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Posted by don424

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Posted by marymoon

I don't really think thelower taxes have helped the economy at all. The $300 you or I could get back can add up to billions to help us get out of the defecit and solve some of our social problems, keep us better protected, or help the soldiers in Iraq, whatever you choose And the main tax cut Kerry is looking to roll back is on the VERY wealthy. I don't think he';s looking to take food out of our babies' mouths. Maybe it's just b/c I'm so 'liberal' but I don't mind paying higher taxs if it means more children can have healthcare or get a better education, or the fire house down the street doesn't have to close, etc etc. The tax cuts only helpd the very wealthy. Goverment programs help the very poor and help to close the gap that is getting wider and wider and will continue to widen under more republican rule. I'd rather someone take the a few dollars out of my pocket and many out of the pcets of the very wealthy and give it to people who don't need it.

And I think wit the abortion issue, no matter what side you're on, the conservatives are going about it thw wrong way. You want fewer abortions? Then teach people about birth control and make it available to them, you can't hold people up to your moral 'abstinence only' standards. With Bush in office don't be surprised if your BC isn't covered by your insurance compnay anymore. Don't be surprised if Roe v Wade is overturned, but you know what, I'd would LOVE to see that day come, because you bet your white male republican asses, it would start a REVOLUTION and women would stand up for our rights, and men's heads would SPIN. They really would. All of these Wasps would NOT know what hit them.

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Posted by Sassyz75



Right he's lowered taxes and increased spending and put us in the future position to have MAJOR problems b/c of the defecit. It is not fiscallly responsible. WE're going to have to pay for this somehow.. and I'd rather do it now, a little at a time, before we are in a major crisis. This is not a game, you lower taxes b/c you can, not to be popular. We can't afford this right now.

You would decide to make less money at your job and spend four fold more, would you? Does that make sense?

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Good analogy. No, I wouldnt.

But I would also like to keep some of what I earn and CHOOSE where I want to spend my $ instead of being treated like a child.

Anyway, Kerry is going to spend 10 fold more with all of his proposals, there is no way he can keep all of his promises unless he raises taxes significanty and then our standard of living will go down the toilet and our deficit will still be huge.

Someone said our taxes only went down just 300....that isnt true. The Economic Growth & Relief Act of 2003 made my taxes go down signifcantly more than 300 a yr. I went from a 27% tax bracket to 25%, which equates to a few thousand dollars plus the marriage deduction (the married filing jointly deduction) was leveled to the same as 2 singles filing jointly....The first yr I was married I owed $$ because the standard deductions were less.

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Posted by Sassyz75



Right he's lowered taxes and increased spending and put us in the future position to have MAJOR problems b/c of the defecit. It is not fiscallly responsible. WE're going to have to pay for this somehow.. and I'd rather do it now, a little at a time, before we are in a major crisis. This is not a game, you lower taxes b/c you can, not to be popular. We can't afford this right now.

You would decide to make less money at your job and spend four fold more, would you? Does that make sense?

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Good analogy. No, I wouldnt.

But I would also like to keep some of what I earn and CHOOSE where I want to spend my $ instead of being treated like a child.

Anyway, Kerry is going to spend 10 fold more with all of his proposals, there is no way he can keep all of his promises unless he raises taxes significanty and then our standard of living will go down the toilet and our deficit will still be huge.

Someone said our taxes only went down just 300....that isnt true. The Economic Growth & Relief Act of 2003 made my taxes go down signifcantly more than 300 a yr. I went from a 27% tax bracket to 25%, which equates to a few thousand dollars plus the marriage deduction (the married filing jointly deduction) was leveled to the same as 2 singles filing jointly....The first yr I was married I owed $$ because the standard deductions were less.

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You must have a really great accountant- b/c with his tax break and the marriage deduction we STILL owed and we don't make a lot of $$ ($85k combined) and we both have our taxes witheld at 0 at higher single rate....