Re: Why Kerry

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Posted by Vicky1706
I know that there are many other facets of the abortion issue. I just don't think that it should be the governments decision what a woman does with her body, regardless of the other facets. And I feel it is sad to hear a woman so quick to give up her right to make decisions for her body.

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You are still ignoring what I stated Vicky. I never gave up my rights to anything so please stop being sad for me. Be sad for the 8 month old baby being removed from it's mother's stomach and decapitated or whatever. I am making an educated decision that abortions should have limitations. Not that they should be banned completely.

The thing about many pro-choicers is that you guys don't want to consider the unborn child a living entity, but then if someone kills a pregnant woman, you want to charge that person with 2 murders. You cannot have it both ways.

And BTW- I am free to make decisions for my body. Not getting pregnant is the first decision.

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Posted by CubanBride

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Posted by Vicky1706
I know that there are many other facets of the abortion issue. I just don't think that it should be the governments decision what a woman does with her body, regardless of the other facets. And I feel it is sad to hear a woman so quick to give up her right to make decisions for her body.

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You are still ignoring what I stated Vicky. I never gave up my rights to anything so please stop being sad for me. Be sad for the 8 month old baby being removed from it's mother's stomach and decapitated or whatever. I am making an educated decision that abortions should have limitations. Not that they should be banned completely.

The thing about many pro-choicers is that you guys don't want to consider the unborn child a living entity, but then if someone kills a pregnant woman, you want to charge that person with 2 murders. You cannot have it both ways.

And BTW- I am free to make decisions for my body. Not getting pregnant is the first decision.

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********but then if someone kills a pregnant woman, you want to charge that person with 2 murders.************ Perfectly said!!!!!!!!!

Not getting pregnant is the first decision. *************EVEN BETTER*********

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Posted by eroxgirl

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Posted by Bride626

And then I think of all my friends who can't have children and are waiting and waiting to adopt!!

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There is no shortage of children needing homes in this country, and around the world for that matter...my MIL adopted 4 kids all as babies - no problem.

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No there isn't a shortage but giving birth to a new life is something you can't get by adopting not that to say you would love the child anyless but the experience!

Re: Why Kerry

Okay, why kerry.

Taxes/Economy.I believe that social services, schools, the deficit etc. deserved those surplus funds far more than the pockets of already rich americans. Also, I see little evidence that the economy is getting better since all I see day after day is people getting laid off, or people searching despratly for a job...

Education. You don't even want to get me started on the disaster which is no child left behind...

Abortion. I'm not going to lie. I don't believe in abortion. I would never do it. I don't like it. But I also don't believe that it's my right to say what another woman can or cannot do with her body.

Gay Marriages. I think that homosexuals should have the same rights as heterosexuals. Who is anyone to say what is 'normal?' Fine, if a church does not want to perform marriages between homosexuals that is their perogative, but again, I don't think anyone has any right to say how a person is allowed to live their lives, as long as no live person is being physically hurt. I don't see how two women or two men getting married is going to hurt another.

The War. First off, I fully support our troops, and I want them to do their job and come home safely. Do I agree with why they are over there? Nope. I don't think that most of those men should be there in the first place. I will stand behind them in their work, but i cannot stand behind Bush's decision to send them there.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head for now...

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And another problem I have with abortions is the 'abortion clinics'. Many of them do not educate women on the side effects of abortions. That's why I don't think abortion clinics should exist. This is a surgical procedure that should occur in a hospital. Many clinics don't tell you that:

-Women under age 18 who had an induced abortion have an increased breast cancer risk of 150%.
-Women of age 30 and above who aborted a first pregnancy increase their breast cancer risk by 110%.
-Overall, women who have an induced abortion have an increased breast cancer risk of 50%.

I think that everyone needs o be told of the risks before agreeing to ANY surgical procedure. And any medical professional that does not do so should be disbarred.

oops...I think we've turned this thread into an abortion thread. Watch out for the hijackers. LOL!

Re: Why Kerry

Do you want my reasons for voting for Kerry? I'll tell you, they're very simple.

1. Kerry supports the working class. Bush is more worried about tax cuts for the rich and corporations. In the past Bush has passed on homeland security, instead choosing tax cuts for the rich.

2. Kerry is pro-choice. Bush is not. And Bush has never given a straight answer that he is NOT looking to reverse the Roe v. Wade decision. I know there are people who are pro-life, but come on, even if abortion was outlawed, women will still try to get abortions no matter what and put themselves in danger trying to do it.

3. Kerry is at least for civil unions. Bush is not. Bush doesn't even want hate crimes to be extended for gays.

4. I think Bush does not want states to pass their own laws anymore but to have federal laws that apply to everyone. That's ridiculous.

5. Bush does not want to provide funding for higher learning while Kerry does.

6. Kerry is for more stem cell research.

How much more do I need to say?

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And let's not forget how the economy and employment has been for the last 4 years. NOT GOOD.

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Posted by violet

And let's not forget how the economy and employment has been for the last 4 years. NOT GOOD.

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Posted by violet

Do you want my reasons for voting for Kerry? I'll tell you, they're very simple.

1. Kerry supports the working class. Bush is more worried about tax cuts for the rich and corporations. In the past Bush has passed on homeland security, instead choosing tax cuts for the rich.

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I have received numerous Bush Tax cuts... yet I don't consider myself 'rich'. I think the Dems arguement of this is a little overrated and Bush's tax cuts affect more of the working class than most people think.

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And I think people need to realize partial-abortion is ONLY done when the woman's life is at risk. This isn't something that's practiced everywhere. That is why it shouldn't be completely banned. It sounds barbaric, but a woman shouldn't have to give up her life for her baby if she doesn't want to.

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Posted by DjPiLL

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Posted by violet

Do you want my reasons for voting for Kerry? I'll tell you, they're very simple.

1. Kerry supports the working class. Bush is more worried about tax cuts for the rich and corporations. In the past Bush has passed on homeland security, instead choosing tax cuts for the rich.

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I have received numerous Bush Tax cuts... yet I don't consider myself 'rich'. I think the Dems arguement of this is a little overrated and Bush's tax cuts affect more of the working class than most people think.

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He has given corporations and people who make over $200,000 additional tax breaks. Where is the fairness in that?

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What if I told you I make under 100k a year and I received Bush tax cuts. And I am not only talking about that $300 check that just about EVERYBODY (including yourself probably) received.

Would you change your arguement then?

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Posted by DjPiLL

What if I told you I make under 100k a year and I received Bush tax cuts. And I am not only talking about that $300 check that just about EVERYBODY (including yourself probably) received.

Would you change your arguement then?

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Me too. I make under $50K and got almost $1,000 back.

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The thing about many pro-choicers is that you guys don't want to consider the unborn child a living entity, but then if someone kills a pregnant woman, you want to charge that person with 2 murders. You cannot have it both ways.

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I don't get that. I'm pro-choice, and I don't believe a person who kills a pregnant woman should be charged for 2 murders. It's illogical because it's very possible for a pregnant woman to be killed with the person not knowing that she's pregnant. I think most Democrats/pro-choicers feel this way.

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Posted by CubanBride

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Posted by DjPiLL

What if I told you I make under 100k a year and I received Bush tax cuts. And I am not only talking about that $300 check that just about EVERYBODY (including yourself probably) received.

Would you change your arguement then?

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Me too. I make under $50K and got almost $1,000 back.

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That was before 9/11 happened when the economy was a lot better. What about since after that?

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I make under 50,000 and I received more then the 300.00.... Could it be I am special

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Posted by DjPiLL

What if I told you I make under 100k a year and I received Bush tax cuts. And I am not only talking about that $300 check that just about EVERYBODY (including yourself probably) received.

Would you change your arguement then?

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Again.
Please get your facts STRAIGHT.
We all know EVERYONE got a tax break.
HOWEVER, a larger proportion of tax relief went to those with $200k incomes..

And THAT Isn't fair.

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Exactly. People making over 200k and corporations get ADDITIONAL tax breaks than the working class.

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Posted by Sassyz75

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Posted by DjPiLL

What if I told you I make under 100k a year and I received Bush tax cuts. And I am not only talking about that $300 check that just about EVERYBODY (including yourself probably) received.

Would you change your arguement then?

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Again.
Please get your facts STRAIGHT.
We all know EVERYONE got a tax break.
HOWEVER, a larger proportion of tax relief went to those with $200k incomes..

And THAT Isn't fair.

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Then explain how my tax bracket was lowered under the Bush plan.. yet I make under 100k a year?

The over 200k number is an inflated Liberal number and doesn't tell the entire story.

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Posted by violet

And I think people need to realize partial-abortion is ONLY done when the woman's life is at risk. This isn't something that's practiced everywhere. That is why it shouldn't be completely banned. It sounds barbaric, but a woman shouldn't have to give up her life for her baby if she doesn't want to.

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Description of a partial birth abortion:
Starts with mechanical dilation of the cervix...on average, this takes 3 days. After adequate dilation, the doctor using forceps enters the uterus and turns the baby around in a breech position for delivery. Later, while the head is still in the birth canal, the doctor introduces a pair of sharp scissors which are jabbed into the baby's skull. The scissors are spread apart to enlarge the opening in the skull, for a plastic tube which is inserted to suck out the fetal brains. The skull collapses, allowing the fetus to be pulled out of the womb. Dilating the cervix, forcing a breech position, and introducing sharp scissors in the birth canal all put the mother at risk, rather than help her medically.

A prominent abortion clinic doctor who has performed over 1000 partial birth abortions over several years. He reports that over 80% of partial birth abortions are elective, without any medical reason.'