Re: Why Kerry

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Posted by mia72098

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Posted by CubanBride

I can give you my reasons for not voting for Kerry.

BTW-It's not possible to have a complete separation between church and state. Look at our money. Lookat our declaration of independence. Almost all of our governing documents mention God.

...Exactly. Our country was based on God no matter what God he may be.

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You are correct. That is also why there are lawsuits over having 'in one God we trust' and 'under God' on our currency and in our pledge. When the constitution was written this country was still an ideal. I am of the belief that they set forth the path and the course that they wanted to see.

It is also a very different thing when the President prays and when he decides to use tax dollars for funding fundemental christian movements. Clinton did it and I was opposed to it. Bush is doing it and I am again opposed to it. Those beliefs are not mine. I should have the choice of what if any religious groups recieve any of my tax dollars.

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I would also like to point out that Kerry never said that going after Osama was the 'wrong war, wrong time, wrong place' he said going into Iraq was wrong. Osama has nothing to do with Iraq. It has been gone over and both parties have said that there is no conclusive link between Saddam and Bin Laden.

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yes maybe Mr. Kerry can explain to my FH why being in Iraq is wrong and yet he lost one of his dearest friends lives while there (literally watched him die) and had to wonder what miracle it was that spared him, as I said, Mr. Kerry showing support for those boys and girls overseas ;) yea i really wonder why they (and I'm speaking of the men I talked to) don't like him.

Like it or not we are there and it takes some set to say that on tv that is broadcasted to those who are there suffering and then promise to bring them home, a feat ANY military man will tell you is impossible at this point. Its not as easy as Mr. Kerry would like us to think. We can't bring them all home and by trying to prove something and bring many of them home all at once we'd only be endangering those who weren't lucky enough to make the 'come home now' list.

and for anyone who is inevitably going to tell me to ask Mr. President, he already addressed Lenny and his unit when he visited them at Camp Lejeune in the months prior to his deployment

ETA to say : BTW as I was running on the treadmil at the gym this morning channel 7 news reported: 'Bush won the largest number of popular votes in history'

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Re: Why Kerry

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Posted by lilqtny
ETA to say : BTW as I was running on the treadmil at the gym this morning channel 7 news reported: 'Bush won the largest number of popular votes in history'

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That he did. The closest was Reagan's landslide in 1984 and even that was only 54.4 million. And the beloved Clinton never received more than 47.4 million votes - almost 12 million less than Bush received on Tuesday.

Like it or not, there is a tremendous amount of support for Bush. And I like it

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Look at it this way. We are now guaranteed for four more years of 'Bush-isms'.

Man I am sure Letterman and Leno are firing away right now as we speak.

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Okay, I'm finally putting my two cents on on this topic... I'm just going to list both things I like about kerry's policies and things I dislike about bush's policies

1) I am 100% totally for same sex marriages and civil unions and 100% against a constitutional amendment banning it.

2) I am completely, 100% against the USA PATRIOT ACT. I believe it takes away our freedoms uneccesarily.

3) See above: I don't believe the constitution should EVER be altered in a way that will take away or furhter limit rights. It exists to grant and protect rights.

4) I am completely and totally 100% against the war in iraq. There were no WMD's, there was no link to Al Qaeda. Sure, maybe the world is better off w/o Hussein in power, but you can't make up reasons as you go along. We were lied to.

5) George Bush has record of giving breaks and loopholes to big business, while cutting funding to programs that help people in need. The rich get richer and poor get poorer in George Bush's America.

6) As an aspiring teacher, talking to other teachers, 'No Child Left Behind' has hurt more students than it has helped, mainly because it is grossly underfunded.

7) As it stands now, people who are sent to court for alcohol, etc can be court ordered to aprticiate in faith based programs like AA. I don't believe that faith should ever be mandated.

8) W wants to fund faith absed programs, but not programs that offer abortions, such as Planned Parenthood. If one should be funded over the other, it should be the secular org. Whether he likes it or not, we are a secular nation, and whther he likes it or not, aborion IS legal, and PP gives a lot of help to women in need, not just with abortions

9) Abstinence only sex 0education does not work and in fact is quite danerous(see the abortinon post for my feelings about this. John kerry favors 'abstinence plus' programs that teach abstinence but also various forms of birth control.

10) Hmm..huge surplus---> record defecit..and giving tax cuts? How is that smart. Supply Side economics is the republican mantra..but the trickle down theory does NOT work

11) One word: Halliburton

12) A few more words Arbusto, Caryle, 'Bindar Bush'

13) How did we go from a Rhodes Scholar to a barely literate frat boy?

14) John Kerry sees a world of grey and can change hi mind with new information, Bush sees black and white, and changes information to suit his decisions

15) The way Bush handles foreig policy...calling the 'war on terror' a CRUSADE? is he insane? And I can't stand his cowboy tactics...

16...The lost goes on and on..

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Posted by eogara

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Posted by lilqtny
ETA to say : BTW as I was running on the treadmil at the gym this morning channel 7 news reported: 'Bush won the largest number of popular votes in history'

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That he did. The closest was Reagan's landslide in 1984 and even that was only 54.4 million. And the beloved Clinton never received more than 47.4 million votes - almost 12 million less than Bush received on Tuesday.

Like it or not, there is a tremendous amount of support for Bush. And I like it

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There are two ways to look at it.ry also won more votes than Clinton, etc...It was becayse we had a higher turnout...that's all. but you can look at it either way

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Posted by marymoon

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Posted by eogara

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Posted by lilqtny
ETA to say : BTW as I was running on the treadmil at the gym this morning channel 7 news reported: 'Bush won the largest number of popular votes in history'

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That he did. The closest was Reagan's landslide in 1984 and even that was only 54.4 million. And the beloved Clinton never received more than 47.4 million votes - almost 12 million less than Bush received on Tuesday.

Like it or not, there is a tremendous amount of support for Bush. And I like it

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There are two ways to look at it.ry also won more votes than Clinton, etc...It was becayse we had a higher turnout...that's all. but you can look at it either way

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He won a higher percentage of votes than Clinton did too - Clinton only got 43% of the votes in 1992 and 49% in 1996. That's irregardless of the number of voters so turnout really has nothing to do with it.

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Posted by eogara

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Posted by marymoon

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Posted by eogara

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Posted by lilqtny
ETA to say : BTW as I was running on the treadmil at the gym this morning channel 7 news reported: 'Bush won the largest number of popular votes in history'

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That he did. The closest was Reagan's landslide in 1984 and even that was only 54.4 million. And the beloved Clinton never received more than 47.4 million votes - almost 12 million less than Bush received on Tuesday.

Like it or not, there is a tremendous amount of support for Bush. And I like it

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There are two ways to look at it.ry also won more votes than Clinton, etc...It was becayse we had a higher turnout...that's all. but you can look at it either way

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He won a higher percentage of votes than Clinton did too - Clinton only got 43% of the votes in 1992 and 49% in 1996. That's irregardless of the number of voters so turnout really has nothing to do with it.

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The reason Clinton only got 435 of the vote was because people LOVED Perot. it's really oncomparable. In 92 at least there was a third party candidate that got a significant part of the vote, unlike 2000 and 2004.

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Posted by DjPiLL

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Posted by Sassyz75

Do you know what a proportion is? It isn't an exact amount....

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Yea obviously. But all I am saying is that the entire Kerry arguement on taxes was... that Bush's tax cuts only benefited the people making over 200k a year. That couldn't be any farther from the truth.

And with the link I posted... that spells it out quite nicely... its obviously not a true statement. Tax cuts benefited people starting at 28k. How come Kerry wasn't pointing out that the Bush plan favored all single people making at least 28k a year? Well we all know the answer to that.

Frankly if you make less than that... I dont think you should get any additional tax cuts.


And the Bush plan did not just lower tax brackets. It reduced the marriage penalty, it added to the child credit, and also helped out on capital gains.

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I think you heard what you wanted to hear...
Because quite franklyl Kerry clearly stated that the Bush taxed cuts helped those making 200k MORE than the middle class not that those making more than 200k were the only people who got a tax cut...

If you look at the proportion of tax relief, it is clear that those making more than 200k got more relief- this is due to the tax cuts coupled with decrease in capital gains and inheritance tax (which affect those who earn more $$$)

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There's a way tot ake any policy or any statistic and present it ina way that benefits the case you're trying to make. ush presented it his way, Kerry presented it his way, neither gives the entire picture. Nature of the beast. That's why you have to do your own research