Re: Why Kerry

I'm not rich. I didn't recieve any tax cuts since i only have worked part time (i'm a student) Heck, I'll never be rich - i'm going to be a teacher. But I'd rather see extra money going toward the deficit or toward new jobs or toward education than back into my pocket. I'm sure there are things that I could do with it, but I'm sure that there are others who need it more than I do.

Re: Why Kerry

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Posted by CubanBride

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Posted by violet

And I think people need to realize partial-abortion is ONLY done when the woman's life is at risk. This isn't something that's practiced everywhere. That is why it shouldn't be completely banned. It sounds barbaric, but a woman shouldn't have to give up her life for her baby if she doesn't want to.

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Description of a partial birth abortion:
Starts with mechanical dilation of the cervix...on average, this takes 3 days. After adequate dilation, the doctor using forceps enters the uterus and turns the baby around in a breech position for delivery. Later, while the head is still in the birth canal, the doctor introduces a pair of sharp scissors which are jabbed into the baby's skull. The scissors are spread apart to enlarge the opening in the skull, for a plastic tube which is inserted to suck out the fetal brains. The skull collapses, allowing the fetus to be pulled out of the womb. Dilating the cervix, forcing a breech position, and introducing sharp scissors in the birth canal all put the mother at risk, rather than help her medically.

A prominent abortion clinic doctor who has performed over 1000 partial birth abortions over several years. He reports that over 80% of partial birth abortions are elective, without any medical reason.'

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Can you state where you get this information from?

No matter when it's used, I don't think it should be banned. I think it should be allowed in situations where the mother's health is at risk.

Re: Why Kerry

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Posted by violet

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Posted by CubanBride

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Posted by DjPiLL

What if I told you I make under 100k a year and I received Bush tax cuts. And I am not only talking about that $300 check that just about EVERYBODY (including yourself probably) received.

Would you change your arguement then?

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Me too. I make under $50K and got almost $1,000 back.

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That was before 9/11 happened when the economy was a lot better. What about since after that?

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No, that was in 2003.

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Posted by DjPiLL

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Posted by Sassyz75

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Posted by DjPiLL

What if I told you I make under 100k a year and I received Bush tax cuts. And I am not only talking about that $300 check that just about EVERYBODY (including yourself probably) received.

Would you change your arguement then?

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Again.
Please get your facts STRAIGHT.
We all know EVERYONE got a tax break.
HOWEVER, a larger proportion of tax relief went to those with $200k incomes..

And THAT Isn't fair.

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Then explain how my tax bracket was lowered under the Bush plan.. yet I make under 100k a year?

The over 200k number is an inflated Liberal number and doesn't tell the entire story.

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Um- does my post not say that EVERYONE got a tax break? Of course your tax bracket was lowered?

Re: Why Kerry

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Posted by Sassyz75
Um- does my post not say that EVERYONE got a tax break? Of course your tax bracket was lowered?

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How much you wanna bet your tax bracket was lowered and you don't even realize it? (or maybe admit to it)

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Posted by DjPiLL

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Posted by Sassyz75

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Posted by DjPiLL

What if I told you I make under 100k a year and I received Bush tax cuts. And I am not only talking about that $300 check that just about EVERYBODY (including yourself probably) received.

Would you change your arguement then?

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Again.
Please get your facts STRAIGHT.
We all know EVERYONE got a tax break.
HOWEVER, a larger proportion of tax relief went to those with $200k incomes..

And THAT Isn't fair.

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Then explain how my tax bracket was lowered under the Bush plan.. yet I make under 100k a year?

The over 200k number is an inflated Liberal number and doesn't tell the entire story.

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DING DING DING****Liberal being the key word.

Re: Why Kerry

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Posted by violet

Can you state where you get this information from?

No matter when it's used, I don't think it should be banned. I think it should be allowed in situations where the mother's health is at risk.

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When a mother's life is truly at risk ,that's one situation. But it is used way more than that.

Let me go back and find the link to that info.

Re: Why Kerry

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Posted by CubanBride

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Posted by violet

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Posted by CubanBride

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Posted by DjPiLL

What if I told you I make under 100k a year and I received Bush tax cuts. And I am not only talking about that $300 check that just about EVERYBODY (including yourself probably) received.

Would you change your arguement then?

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Me too. I make under $50K and got almost $1,000 back.

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That was before 9/11 happened when the economy was a lot better. What about since after that?

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No, that was in 2003.

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Re: Why Kerry

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Posted by DjPiLL

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Posted by Sassyz75
Um- does my post not say that EVERYONE got a tax break? Of course your tax bracket was lowered?

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How much you wanna bet your tax bracket was lowered and you don't even realize it? (or maybe admit to it)

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I JUST SAID EVERYONE GOT A TAX BREAK...
WHY AM I REPEATING MYSELF.

EVERYONE GOT A TAX BREAK BUT THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE MORE THAN 200K GOT AN OVERALL HIGHER PROPORTION OF THOSE TAX CUTSS.

And while my federal taxes did go down, everything else went UP so really, I'm the same place I was.

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Posted by Sassyz75

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Posted by DjPiLL

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Posted by Sassyz75
Um- does my post not say that EVERYONE got a tax break? Of course your tax bracket was lowered?

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How much you wanna bet your tax bracket was lowered and you don't even realize it? (or maybe admit to it)

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I JUST SAID EVERYONE GOT A TAX BREAK...
WHY AM I REPEATING MYSELF.

EVERYONE GOT A TAX BREAK BUT THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE MORE THAN 200K GOT AN OVERALL HIGHER PROPORTION OF THOSE TAX CUTSS.

And while my federal taxes did go down, everything else went UP so really, I'm the same place I was.

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I don't know how many times you will have to repeat yourself. It's not going through their heads.

I find it scary that people are for a President who limits women's and gays' rights.

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Posted by violet

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Posted by Sassyz75

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Posted by DjPiLL

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Posted by Sassyz75
Um- does my post not say that EVERYONE got a tax break? Of course your tax bracket was lowered?

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How much you wanna bet your tax bracket was lowered and you don't even realize it? (or maybe admit to it)

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I JUST SAID EVERYONE GOT A TAX BREAK...
WHY AM I REPEATING MYSELF.

EVERYONE GOT A TAX BREAK BUT THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE MORE THAN 200K GOT AN OVERALL HIGHER PROPORTION OF THOSE TAX CUTSS.

And while my federal taxes did go down, everything else went UP so really, I'm the same place I was.

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I don't know how many times you will have to repeat yourself. It's not going through their heads.

I find it scary that people are for a President who limits women's and gays' rights.

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Re: Why Kerry

Yeah, women's and gay's rights are something to snooze about. It's not at all conflicting to have a President who confuses church and state.

Re: Why Kerry

I don't know why I bother
if I were talking I'd be horse...
honestly at this point I could never be a Republican due to the blatant lack of regard for gay rights and women's issues... NEVER!

Re: Why Kerry

If your taxes went down... what else went up? And you can't blame bad money management...

This is an independant CPA site... not politically affiliated with anyone.

Bush Tax Cuts

Oh and to the person that said this was before 9/11.... uh NOPE. Try 2003


That over 200k number the liberals like to point out isn't even on this link? Why is that?

And to quote my favorite part of this link.

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Result: Lower tax bills for those in the top four tax brackets because rates have been cut at least two percentage points per bracket. Those who will benefit in 2003 are taxpayers with incomes over:
$28,400 (single)
$56,800 (married filing jointly, and qualifying widow(er)s)
$38,050 (head of household), and
$28,400 (married filing separately)

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Those numbers look pretty working class to me.

And frankly... since EVERYBODY is getting a tax break... I think its fair that the people over 200k should get more of a tax break because frankly they are paying more taxes in the first place anyways.

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Posted by violet

Yeah, women's and gay's rights are something to snooze about. It's not at all conflicting to have a President who confuses church and state.

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your argument is what is making me snooze.

Re: Why Kerry

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Posted by violet

I find it scary that people are for a President who limits women's and gays' rights.

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Totally different arguement that frankly I have no view on... so i can't argue it and am not going to agree nor disagree. I am talking stricly taxes.

If you want to not support Bush because of those two issues.... then thats your choice. But I will debate the tax arguements because the Liberals blow it way out of proportion.

Re: Why Kerry

Do you know how things were before abortion was legal? Do you? Women would hurt themselves and hope then that the hospital would help them to have an abortion? Women would die trying to do procedures on themselves. Would you rather abortion be outlawed so women would have to take these desperate measures?

This is in response to babygirl. Honestly DJPill the tax issue is the least of the issues I am opposed to when it comes to Bush, but one of them.

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Posted by DjPiLL

If your taxes went down... what else went up? And you can't blame bad money management...

This is an independant CPA site... not politically affiliated with anyone.

Bush Tax Cuts

Oh and to the person that said this was before 9/11.... uh NOPE. Try 2003


That over 200k number the liberals like to point out isn't even on this link? Why is that?

And to quote my favorite part of this link.

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Result: Lower tax bills for those in the top four tax brackets because rates have been cut at least two percentage points per bracket. Those who will benefit in 2003 are taxpayers with incomes over:
$28,400 (single)
$56,800 (married filing jointly, and qualifying widow(er)s)
$38,050 (head of household), and
$28,400 (married filing separately)

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Those numbers look pretty working class to me.

And frankly... since EVERYBODY is getting a tax break... I think its fair that the people over 200k should get more of a tax break because frankly they are paying more taxes in the first place anyways.

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Do you know what a proportion is? It isn't an exact amount....

Re: Why Kerry

LOL don't worry. I didn't think it was directed at me.

Since I am not female... I believe I have no say in the arguement for pro-choice/anti-choice.

Now if you want to debate taxes... then I am all for it.

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Posted by Sassyz75

Do you know what a proportion is? It isn't an exact amount....

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Yea obviously. But all I am saying is that the entire Kerry arguement on taxes was... that Bush's tax cuts only benefited the people making over 200k a year. That couldn't be any farther from the truth.

And with the link I posted... that spells it out quite nicely... its obviously not a true statement. Tax cuts benefited people starting at 28k. How come Kerry wasn't pointing out that the Bush plan favored all single people making at least 28k a year? Well we all know the answer to that.

Frankly if you make less than that... I dont think you should get any additional tax cuts.


And the Bush plan did not just lower tax brackets. It reduced the marriage penalty, it added to the child credit, and also helped out on capital gains.