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Posted by XFINALLYX

i agree with you stefanie. i think there should be a law against backyard breeding where they get fined and are required by law to get their dogs fixed. it's ridiculous the amount of dogs out there that don't have homes or are in bad homes because 'breeders' don't do background checks or make sure they go into good homes. that's why i think pet stores are the worst. they don't care if the animal is going into a good home. they just want those $$$.

and kara over on LIF. i COULD HAVE showed Finnegan if I wanted to but he just got neutered 2 weeks ago. my point was that just because it has show quality (which all dogs are supposed to be if you're breeding them!) doesn't mean you should ask for a ridiculous amount of money for a dog. if the dog was 5 months old for 1,000 i'd love to know how much it was when it was 8 weeks old!

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Thanks...and it is nice to know that you are still on LIF, at least 'in spirit'

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this is sickening, yeah I'm sure you are concerned with finding him a good home

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Posted by Suneymartinez
but sadly, my female cannot have babies.

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too bad you could not strike it rich off your dog....what about just having her for a pet, a companion, instead of for breeding. Unless you are a REGISTERED breeder, you should not be breeding, if you are, you ARE a BYB....plain and simple

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I have two poms as previously stated. The female was a gift never purchased for the selling business. Then I got a male as a gift not for the selling business. When she got pregnant I wanted to keep an extra dog instead of buying one which is too expensive. There is nothing wrong with selling a pure breed pup, especially when you have bills to pay. What am I suppose to give the pups to strangers for free..what world are you living in? I have a mortgage on my own, school loans, personal bills to take care off. How many pets do you owe...if you care so much why don't you offer to take on the dog the seller is trying to sell I grew up with 3 adopted dogs from Northshore Animal League, the only thing was there are no pure dogs there (you won't find poms, which are the type of dogs I love) and why aren't they there? BECAUSE people pay for them, they have a home. If cute pups were for free in abundance who do you think would get adopted first and who are the ones to get screwed over?

And by the way NY State law allows you to breed dogs and sell them (up to 9 per year when not a registered breeder) if you are against that law I suggest you take it up with the Legislature. Now the reason while there are so many dogs out there without homes are because people are breeding muts and those are the ones who suffer. I bought two dogs who are worth 1k each and I am the one paying for my females medical bill which was well over 3k. I take care of my dogs and would have sold their puppies to someone who would take care of them as well. What would make me better, being registered with the state and taking this up as a business? I see no damn difference, do you think pet stores care to who they sell the dogs to? I can't stand people who preach for a cause and do nothing about it. Do you lobby for what you believe in, do you offer your assistance at animal adoption centers? You may have adopted one dog, well guess what so have I. I took a mix breed dog from someone who was going to give her to the pound. What I am trying to say is don't judge people who decide to sell a dog to someone who would buy an expensive breed instead of adopting a mut. You don't see pure dogs in adoption centers or out roaming the street.

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Thank you!! I cant stand people who preach about something that they have no clue what they are talking about.

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i'll ask fh he's been dying to get a puppy

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Posted by gabandcarl

Thank you!! I cant stand people who preach about something that they have no clue what they are talking about.

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I can't stand BYB's who do NOTHING for the lines of the BREED, nothing for the mother's who are abused and left to die in puppy mills, nothing but think about lining their pockets....

if you are a BYB, you are a DISGRACE to pet lovers everywhere and should be ashamed of yourselves

TRULY SELFISH

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Posted by gabandcarl

I really dont see a problem in selling puppies.

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go research puppy mills and see if you still don't see the problem.....

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Posted by Mrs. Bernabe

[if you care so much why don't you offer to take on the dog the seller is trying to sell

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you really have NO CLUE. If I were to buy this dog, it is just adding to the problem of puppy mills and BYB

And for the record, you have NO idea what I do for animals or the crusade to STOP people like you from perpetuating the problem of BYB

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Posted by Mrs. Bernabe

. You don't see pure dogs in adoption centers or out roaming the street.

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I'm gonna say this in the nicest way possible, you have NO idea what you are talking about. DO you have any idea how many PURE bred labs I see at animal control?

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I'll research puppy mills but I am 99% sure you will not find pure dogs. Those dogs are being bought, the issue here is the muts that are being bred and sold as original (this is why it is important for buyers to by from registered breeders). But by attacking someone who is selling a dog which is pure and attacking someone who buys a pure bred dog does not resolve what's going on. There are people who will buy expensive dogs (no matter what!) and there are people who sadly can not afford it and buy muts or dogs that are claimed to be pure. This is the problem not pure bred breeders! Don't get me wrong, there are chances that someone may buy a pet and cannot get used to them and give them away (to pup mills or anyone else), but everyone is different. There are sellers who care to get money as much as they care where they go to. I have a friend who sells huskys and she has kept in contact with all the buyers. She gets updates on how the pups are doing and pictures and all. Just because you sell dogs does not make you a bad person.

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I really dont appreciate you judging me for breeding a dog. Yes- Im sure that there are breeders who are cruel to the animals but I am not. You said that you feel bad for the mother of the puppies- well guess what- the mother of the puppies is sleeping in MY bed right now and gets treated like royaly in my house AS WELLL as the one puppy that we kept so maybe you should not judge people who you know nothing about. If you are so concerned with breeders maybe you should join an organization and voice your opinion appropriatley instead of attacking innocent people. Get a life.

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Posted by gabandcarl

I really dont appreciate you judging me for breeding a dog. Yes- Im sure that there are breeders who are cruel to the animals but I am not. You said that you feel bad for the mother of the puppies- well guess what- the mother of the puppies is sleeping in MY bed right now and gets treated like royaly in my house AS WELLL as the one puppy that we kept so maybe you should not judge people who you know nothing about. If you are so concerned with breeders maybe you should join an organization and voice your opinion appropriatley instead of attacking innocent people. Get a life.

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get a life? real mature

I AM concerned with BYB, as should you be if you are such a 'responsible dog owner'...you are trying to justify what you are doing when IMHO (and I am entitled to it whether you like it or not), there is no justification for it.

and FTR, you have NO idea how I volunteer my time, so stop assuming.

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Posted by Mrs. Bernabe

I'll research puppy mills but I am 99% sure you will not find pure dogs. Those dogs are being bought, the issue here is the muts that are being bred and sold as original (this is why it is important for buyers to by from registered breeders). But by attacking someone who is selling a dog which is pure and attacking someone who buys a pure bred dog does not resolve what's going on. There are people who will buy expensive dogs (no matter what!) and there are people who sadly can not afford it and buy muts or dogs that are claimed to be pure. This is the problem not pure bred breeders! Don't get me wrong, there are chances that someone may buy a pet and cannot get used to them and give them away (to pup mills or anyone else), but everyone is different. There are sellers who care to get money as much as they care where they go to. I have a friend who sells huskys and she has kept in contact with all the buyers. She gets updates on how the pups are doing and pictures and all. Just because you sell dogs does not make you a bad person.

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once you do some reseacrh, we can disuss this again. For EVERY person who buys a dog from a pet store or a BYB, that mother has to have a whole other litter of pups to keep lining the BYB's pockets. There ARE purebreds that are bred by BYB

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Posted by grrulz

i'll ask fh he's been dying to get a puppy

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tell him to adopt one....

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You can do your research just by searching for the Oprah episode on puppy mills. I couldn't even watch it, it brought tears to my eyes. And as far as shelters not having purebreds, what about a breed specific rescue? I just rescued a purebred chihuahua puppy as opposed to buying one. He came from a shelter. It IS BYB and breeders that contribute to puppies winding up in shelters, because the more puppies that are bred takes away from another dog getting a home. If you go on Petfinder.com right now (as I just did) you will see that there are 1,987 pomeranians for adoption in our area alone. There are also 8,002 german sheperd dogs on Petfinder.com right now. And I think THAT is why so many people take issue with you selling your self-proclaimed 'reject' dog for 1,000.

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Posted by TakingtheLongWay

You can do your research just by searching for the Oprah episode on puppy mills. I couldn't even watch it, it brought tears to my eyes. And as far as shelters not having purebreds, what about a breed specific rescue? I just rescued a purebred chihuahua puppy as opposed to buying one. He came from a shelter. It IS BYB and breeders that contribute to puppies winding up in shelters, because the more puppies that are bred takes away from another dog getting a home. If you go on Petfinder.com right now (as I just did) you will see that there are 1,987 pomeranians for adoption in our area alone. There are also 8,002 german sheperd dogs on Petfinder.com right now. And I think THAT is why so many people take issue with you selling your self-proclaimed 'reject' dog for 1,000.

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I have not looked at puppy mills and I am no longer going to buy/adopt a dog. I have two. I did go to your website and all the poms were mutts, they are mixed with other breeds. People who want pure breeds will not adopt because there are high chances (like most of the dogs on the web) that they are not pure. I posted pics of the ones closest to looking like a POM and they are claimed to be pure and they are not. I didn't want a mix, I wanted a pure breed. There are many people out there that just want pure breeds and will not consider adoption or they may look into it but will turn away because they are not interested in adopting mix breeds. The white one is my dog Sable, just so you can see the difference. (Note: the one behind the door in the 1st pic looks like a real POM).

It is great that you are posting to encourage people to adopt (that is great). Many animals do need homes and it is sad what they go through. I myself have picked up stray dogs from the street in cold winter and have tried to find them homes but have not succeeded (had to take them to a shelter).

All I was doing in this thread was to defend the person who posted the dog up for sale. She got attacked for trying to sell him! All I am saying there are people who buy $$$ dogs, that is why they are so expensive. People are willing to pay $$$. She may be asking for a bit much but I am sure she will not get what she is asking for (I may be wrong). The price will be negotiated and the dog may have a great home for all you know. I'm not coming back to this topic.

I know there are dogs out there that need homes, I know there are dogs who are going through pain. But there are also PEOPLE out there who will buy dogs no matter what. I just want everyone to realize that point. I don't buy fur jackets because I am against killing animals (especially baby seals!) but that won't fix anything b/c there are PEOPLE who will buy fur coats no matter what. It's sad but we just don't live in a perfect world. But thank God there are also people willing to adopt then buy.

Like I said before this is my last post here.

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I know what a real pom looks like, my best friend has two of them. I'm sorry, but I doubt that every single pom was a 'mutt'. I just rescued a purebred chihuahua. Yes, I had to do my research, but he was out there. The reason that the OP got 'attacked' is because she is IMO using poor judgement in attempting to sell her dog for (again) IMO an outrageous fee. I understand that people will never see eye to eye on this topic, but lucky for us, when we post in a public forum, we are entitled to voice our opinions as well.

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You are entitled to your own opinion but once you start accusing me of neglecting my dog and puppies and claim that i am the reason for all of these problems with breeders- i am going to get extremely offended. If you are so concerned with animals and breeders, maybe you should also blame everybody who buys a dog from a breeder. You have some real nerve pointing fingers and saying that i am in the wrong. Guess what- i dont know if you got the memo but breeding pure breed dogs is legal and there is a reason that its legal- THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH IT!!! There is something wrong with people who abuse there animals and breed dogs in unsafe conditions but i however do not. So next time you go rambeling on about whats wrong with breeders, think before you speak, especially if you dont even know the person who you are talking about.

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I never said you abuse or neglect your dogs...so before you go pointing fingers, I would make sure you have your story straight. Until the day that every dog has a home, people are always going to take issue with people selling dogs. Obviously that is never going to happen, but the thing is, you're saying that you couldn't sell this dog because of it's long hair. Why not just adopt it out or request a more reasonable fee? To me, it just seems like you are still trying to make money off of this dog.

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We sold all of the puppies but one for about 2000 each. So i was asking for a lot less money with that one specific dog which somebody bought it for that much anyway. If nobody would have bought it, i would have kept it or gave it to somebody i know. I am not a horrible person for doing this. I have three dogs that are treated like royalty and when i do breed my german shep.- it is done the correct way and we make sure that they all have safe, good homes before we finalize any sale. I understand that there are a lot of dogs in shelters but the truth is- wheather i breed dogs or not- not many people want a mutt or an older dog which MOST (maybe not all) dogs in shelters are. I got one of my dogs from the NSAL and she is great. But some people want a certain kind of dog. There is nothing wrong with that.