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It's definately true that some people want certain types of dogs. I myself only wanted to get another chihuahua. I could have easily done a search or went to the store and bought a chihuahua. But, I did my research and found one for rescue. He and his siblings were dumped at a shelter before the rescue got to him. I guess the real issue is that I see it as one puppy sold from an intentional breeding is one less shelter/rescue puppy that can have a home.

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Posted by gabandcarl

We sold all of the puppies but one for about 2000 each. So i was asking for a lot less money with that one specific dog which somebody bought it for that much anyway. If nobody would have bought it, i would have kept it or gave it to somebody i know. I am not a horrible person for doing this. I have three dogs that are treated like royalty and when i do breed my german shep.- it is done the correct way and we make sure that they all have safe, good homes before we finalize any sale. I understand that there are a lot of dogs in shelters but the truth is- wheather i breed dogs or not- not many people want a mutt or an older dog which MOST (maybe not all) dogs in shelters are. I got one of my dogs from the NSAL and she is great. But some people want a certain kind of dog. There is nothing wrong with that.

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I agree and see how you see it, anyways, I said I wouldn't post anymore but I want to say yay! for finding your dog a new home. I knew you would have found a new home either way

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I thought maybe this would be helpful:

BACKYARD BREEDER

1. Motive for breeding: 'fun', 'good for kids', 'to make money'. Does not screen buyers and seldom refuses to sell, even if buyer is unsuitable.

2. Breeds the family pet to any convenient pet of the same breed just to have purebred pups. Has no understanding or concern with genetics, pedigree bloodlines, or breed improvement.

3. Though the pets (sire/dam of pups) may be well loved, they were not tested for hip dysplasia or for other genetic problems such as cardiomyopathy and hypothyroidism.

4. Offers no health guarantee beyond proof of shots, if that. Unqualified to give help if problems develop

5. Seller has little knowledge of breed history, the national breed club or of the AKC breed standard. May claim this does not matter for 'just pets'.

6. Pups raised in makeshift accommodations, sometimes unsanitary, indicating lack of long-term investment in breeding and lack of true care for the puppies well-being.

7. Even when selling 'just pets', may produce AKC papers or 'championship pedigrees' as proof of quality. Yet seller does not increase his own knowledge through participation in national, regional, or local breed clubs. Is not involved in showing their dogs to 'prove' quality.

8. May be unwilling to show a buyer the entire litter or to introduce the dam of the litter. Cannot or will not compare/critique pups or pup’s ancestors.

9. Prices are at the low end of local range, since must move pups quickly. Advertises in the local newspaper classifieds.

10. No concern for the future of individual pups or the breed as a whole. Does not use AKC’s limited registration option or ask for spay/neuter contract to guard against the breeding of sub-standard pups. If you cannot keep pup, tells you to take it to a dog pound or to sell it.



REPUTABLE BREEDER

1. Dedication to producing quality dogs is serious avocation. Has so much invested in dogs that he struggles to break even, not make a profit. Will sell pups only to approved buyers.

2. Can explain how planned breedings are used to emphasize or minimize specific qualities through linebreeding, outcrossing, or more rarely, inbreeding.

3. Does not breed dogs younger than age 2. Has breeding stock x-rayed to check for hip dysplasia, echo/doppler run for SAS, holtered within the last year for boxer cardiomyopathy (also known as ARVC) and thyroid screened. Can produce certification to prove claims.

4. Written contractural commitment to replace a dog with genetic faults or to help owner deal with problem.

5. Loves the breed and can talk at length about its background, uses, and ideal type.

6. Has an investment in dog equipment and the puppies environment is sanitary and loving.

7. Belongs to national, regional, and/or local dog clubs, indicating a love for the sport of purebred dogs. Shows their dogs as an objective test of how his stock measures up.

8. Shows litter and dam in a sanitary environment. Helps buyer evaluate and choose a pup. Explains criteria for 'show prospects' versus 'pet picks'.

9. Prices will be at the high end of local range. Price will not reflect all that is invested in the pups. A reputable breeder never profits from the sale of puppies. Does not advertise in the newspaper. Has an established waiting list for the pups.

10. After purchase, will help you with grooming or training problems. Will take back a pup you cannot keep rather than see it disposed of inappropriately. Sells pets with spay/neuter agreement and on AKC limited registration.

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What I am trying to say is don't judge people who decide to sell a dog to someone who would buy an expensive breed instead of adopting a mut. You don't see pure dogs in adoption centers or out roaming the street.
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You don't see pure dogs in adoption centers or roaming the street??? Do you know what you are saying??

Check out this website:

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If that isn't enough, how bout after the holidays, you and I go to a shelter and you will see all the dumps that are there.

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This is so ridiculous - the people who are BYB are morons! No sense in talking to them. As far as selling them to make a living..why don't you just make babies and sell them! I'm sure you could get a crap load of money for some pure bred white babies!

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Posted by TakingtheLongWay

You can do your research just by searching for the Oprah episode on puppy mills. I couldn't even watch it, it brought tears to my eyes. And as far as shelters not having purebreds, what about a breed specific rescue? I just rescued a purebred chihuahua puppy as opposed to buying one. He came from a shelter. It IS BYB and breeders that contribute to puppies winding up in shelters, because the more puppies that are bred takes away from another dog getting a home. If you go on Petfinder.com right now (as I just did) you will see that there are 1,987 pomeranians for adoption in our area alone. There are also 8,002 german sheperd dogs on Petfinder.com right now. And I think THAT is why so many people take issue with you selling your self-proclaimed 'reject' dog for 1,000.

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I have not looked at puppy mills and I am no longer going to buy/adopt a dog. I have two. I did go to your website and all the poms were mutts, they are mixed with other breeds. People who want pure breeds will not adopt because there are high chances (like most of the dogs on the web) that they are not pure. I posted pics of the ones closest to looking like a POM and they are claimed to be pure and they are not. I didn't want a mix, I wanted a pure breed. There are many people out there that just want pure breeds and will not consider adoption or they may look into it but will turn away because they are not interested in adopting mix breeds. The white one is my dog Sable, just so you can see the difference. (Note: the one behind the door in the 1st pic looks like a real POM).

It is great that you are posting to encourage people to adopt (that is great). Many animals do need homes and it is sad what they go through. I myself have picked up stray dogs from the street in cold winter and have tried to find them homes but have not succeeded (had to take them to a shelter).

All I was doing in this thread was to defend the person who posted the dog up for sale. She got attacked for trying to sell him! All I am saying there are people who buy $$$ dogs, that is why they are so expensive. People are willing to pay $$$. She may be asking for a bit much but I am sure she will not get what she is asking for (I may be wrong). The price will be negotiated and the dog may have a great home for all you know. I'm not coming back to this topic.

I know there are dogs out there that need homes, I know there are dogs who are going through pain. But there are also PEOPLE out there who will buy dogs no matter what. I just want everyone to realize that point. I don't buy fur jackets because I am against killing animals (especially baby seals!) but that won't fix anything b/c there are PEOPLE who will buy fur coats no matter what. It's sad but we just don't live in a perfect world. But thank God there are also people willing to adopt then buy.

Like I said before this is my last post here.

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I volunteer at a local no-kill animal rescue and just want to say that there are tons of pure breeds in the shelters, both kill shelters and no-kill. As far as Poms specifically, recently the place I volunteer at rescued 9, yes 9, pure poms from an old man that couldn't take care of them. Before that, there was an owner surrender of a 4 year old small pom that was used for breeding and making money. Then all of a sudden she couldn't afford her. Before that, a sweet pure Pom that broke his leg and his owners were going to euthanize him because they couldn't afford the surgery. If they had all that money to buy him in the first place, you'd think they'd have the money to keep him healthy right?

My point is that there are tons of pure breed dogs in the shelters. Go on petfinder.com, put in the breed you're looking for, google the breed rescue, or go on craigslist. It may take some time, but you'll find what you're looking for.

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Posted by regi


If that isn't enough, how bout after the holidays, you and I go to a shelter and you will see all the dumps that are there.

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so not true, I have been going to every shelters on Long Island looking for a pup and I have yet found one.

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Posted by Shell84

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Posted by regi


If that isn't enough, how bout after the holidays, you and I go to a shelter and you will see all the dumps that are there.

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so not true, I have been going to every shelters on Long Island looking for a pup and I have yet found one.

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These people can not just put it through their thick heads that you will most likely never find a pure breed puppy in a shelter. There are people like myself that want only babies! End of discussion. Yes there are pure ugly pure breed pups -IMO, but I would look for a specific kind, and many others do too and you can consider yourself very lucky if you find certain good breeds as pups.

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Posted by LaurenF

of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but i have to say that if you know anything about animals, you know that there are too many without homes and they're being euthanized every day because the shelters can't keep them all. why then would you BREED more of them?

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i TOTALLY agree with you- basically for every dog you buy $$$$ you kill a dog in a shelter-
we just adopted our puppy from a pitbull rescue-
it blows my mind that some people buy pitbulls cause they want a full blood pitbull- you can rescue ANY purebreed animal- they even have pig rescues online.
i'm such an advacate for adoption!

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Mrs Bernabe-- Dont know if you already said this in previous posts
but WHY did you NEED to have pure breed poms?
just to say you do? or do you show them?
i just dont understand why people say they buy cause they want a purebreed? whats the difference if its a loving dog to be your companion- and be your life long friend- does he really need papers to be your family pet?

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Posted by cynandkeith


Mrs Bernabe-- Dont know if you already said this in previous posts
but WHY did you NEED to have pure breed poms?
just to say you do? or do you show them?
i just dont understand why people say they buy cause they want a purebreed? whats the difference if its a loving dog to be your companion- and be your life long friend- does he really need papers to be your family pet?

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because that is the only type of dog that I like for me. I will not by a mut, that is just me. There are many people out there that will not want mutts. I get go to a shelter. It is very hard to find a baby pom that is pure bred. I give my doggies a good home and care for them. In fact I am picking another one up from the airport today. I don't need to show them to no one, it;s what I like and what makes me happy. Now if people want to become more humane, than why not adopt kids that need home instead of just having your own? I have 3 adopted siblings, grew up in a household where we have two mutts from North Shore. I like a specific kind of dog and see nothing wrong in buying that specific kind of dog and at a specific age. That's my choice and I should be entitled to that without being critized. I am providing for them. Like I mentioned before there will always be shelters because there will always be breeders. That does not make me a bad person. If it does than we can say someone who does not adopt a child is so much worse.

And I cant wait to get my baby!!!!!

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Posted by cynandkeith


Mrs Bernabe-- Dont know if you already said this in previous posts
but WHY did you NEED to have pure breed poms?
just to say you do? or do you show them?
i just dont understand why people say they buy cause they want a purebreed? whats the difference if its a loving dog to be your companion- and be your life long friend- does he really need papers to be your family pet?

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because that is the only type of dog that I like for me. I will not by a mut, that is just me. There are many people out there that will not want mutts. I get go to a shelter. It is very hard to find a baby pom that is pure bred. I give my doggies a good home and care for them. In fact I am picking another one up from the airport today. I don't need to show them to no one, it;s what I like and what makes me happy. Now if people want to become more humane, than why not adopt kids that need home instead of just having your own? I have 3 adopted siblings, grew up in a household where we have two mutts from North Shore. I like a specific kind of dog and see nothing wrong in buying that specific kind of dog and at a specific age. That's my choice and I should be entitled to that without being critized. I am providing for them. Like I mentioned before there will always be shelters because there will always be breeders. That does not make me a bad person. If it does than we can say someone who does not adopt a child is so much worse.

And I cant wait to get my baby!!!!!

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have fun with your byob/pm dog. no real breeder will ship dogs to you especially through an airplane. some people just need to get a clue.

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Posted by XFINALLYX

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Posted by Mrs. Bernabe

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Posted by cynandkeith


Mrs Bernabe-- Dont know if you already said this in previous posts
but WHY did you NEED to have pure breed poms?
just to say you do? or do you show them?
i just dont understand why people say they buy cause they want a purebreed? whats the difference if its a loving dog to be your companion- and be your life long friend- does he really need papers to be your family pet?

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because that is the only type of dog that I like for me. I will not by a mut, that is just me. There are many people out there that will not want mutts. I get go to a shelter. It is very hard to find a baby pom that is pure bred. I give my doggies a good home and care for them. In fact I am picking another one up from the airport today. I don't need to show them to no one, it;s what I like and what makes me happy. Now if people want to become more humane, than why not adopt kids that need home instead of just having your own? I have 3 adopted siblings, grew up in a household where we have two mutts from North Shore. I like a specific kind of dog and see nothing wrong in buying that specific kind of dog and at a specific age. That's my choice and I should be entitled to that without being critized. I am providing for them. Like I mentioned before there will always be shelters because there will always be breeders. That does not make me a bad person. If it does than we can say someone who does not adopt a child is so much worse.

And I cant wait to get my baby!!!!!

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have fun with your byob/pm dog. no real breeder will ship dogs to you especially through an airplane. some people just need to get a clue.

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Im sorry but if you want to speak about getting a 'clue' you shouldn't post about what you do not know. The breeder is a very reputable breeder, who wins championships and so forth. I do my research and I select my dogs carefully. Not only that, but my cousin is a veteranian, and the first thing I do is take my pups to her, to make sure they are healthy and so forth. It's sad when people judge and want to put their two cents in when they can't see the whole picture. Your right people should get a clue before voicing an opinion
....before people try to put their two cents in, they should make sure they have the mental funds to do so.
Im done. Thanks for the entertainment

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Posted by Mrs. Bernabe

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Posted by cynandkeith


Mrs Bernabe-- Dont know if you already said this in previous posts
but WHY did you NEED to have pure breed poms?
just to say you do? or do you show them?
i just dont understand why people say they buy cause they want a purebreed? whats the difference if its a loving dog to be your companion- and be your life long friend- does he really need papers to be your family pet?

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because that is the only type of dog that I like for me. I will not by a mut, that is just me. There are many people out there that will not want mutts. I get go to a shelter. It is very hard to find a baby pom that is pure bred. I give my doggies a good home and care for them. In fact I am picking another one up from the airport today. I don't need to show them to no one, it;s what I like and what makes me happy. Now if people want to become more humane, than why not adopt kids that need home instead of just having your own? I have 3 adopted siblings, grew up in a household where we have two mutts from North Shore. I like a specific kind of dog and see nothing wrong in buying that specific kind of dog and at a specific age. That's my choice and I should be entitled to that without being critized. I am providing for them. Like I mentioned before there will always be shelters because there will always be breeders. That does not make me a bad person. If it does than we can say someone who does not adopt a child is so much worse.

And I cant wait to get my baby!!!!!

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have fun with your byob/pm dog. no real breeder will ship dogs to you especially through an airplane. some people just need to get a clue.

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Im sorry but if you want to speak about getting a 'clue' you shouldn't post about what you do not know. The breeder is a very reputable breeder, who wins championships and so forth. I do my research and I select my dogs carefully. Not only that, but my cousin is a veteranian, and the first thing I do is take my pups to her, to make sure they are healthy and so forth. It's sad when people judge and want to put their two cents in when they can't see the whole picture. Your right people should get a clue before voicing an opinion
....before people try to put their two cents in, they should make sure they have the mental funds to do so.
Im done. Thanks for the entertainment

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keep perpetuating the problem and say you care about animals...

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Posted by Mrs. Bernabe


I have not looked at puppy mills and I am no longer going to buy/adopt a dog. I have two. .

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i guess you're not sticking by the 'i'm no longer going to buy a dog'

i DO have a clue and i KNOW for a FACT that responsible breeders do NOT ship dogs. plain and simple. but honestly, it seems like no matter what any of us LOGICALLY thinking women on here are saying to you, it will never get through to you and that's just sad. i feel bad for the b!tch that's now going to have to produce another liter because you bought one of her puppies and are fueling the money train from these irresponsible people.

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Oh the drama. Ok I know this topic is old but really what she is doing is not illegal. How are you gonna compare this dog which is her pet breeding to a puppy mill? She's not running a puppy mill people. Go on you youtube and see what a puppy mill is. There is nothing illegal or wrong with people breeding like she does as long as they know about the breed and strive to produce healthy puppies. Really though, you can do all the background checks you want and it does not mean that once that dog gets home he won't be abused, ignored, eventually given away, sold on craigslist, the newspaper, wherever bc the owner got tired of it.