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I am voting for Joe the plumber.

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3 for 3 Obama wins the debates. McCain can only attack and make distorted accusations...I did not see Obama have any need to resort to this bc he has plans and is focused on the issues. McCain throws out random statements about things he wants to do...after saying he will not spend money..hmmm that dosent make sense does he think these programs are free? Oh and also no concrete plans for many of the statements he threw out there in the debate.

It is really a joke at this point to see Obama sit there speaking brillantly and have McCain stumble on his words and attack in defense of his own lack of plan and focus....wow.

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Posted by NikkiR515

I am voting for Joe the plumber.

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count me in

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3 for 3 Obama wins the debates. McCain can only attack and make distorted accusations...I did not see Obama have any need to resort to this bc he has plans and is focused on the issues. McCain throws out random statements about things he wants to do...after saying he will not spend money..hmmm that dosent make sense does he think these programs are free? Oh and also no concrete plans for many of the statements he threw out there in the debate.

It is really a joke at this point to see Obama sit there speaking brillantly and have McCain stumble on his words and attack in defense of his own lack of plan and focus....wow.

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did you see the truth squad right after, its kinda like the site factcheck. They have independents who after the debates tell you if what the candidates were saying was true or not. As far as the deficit, they added up everything they said they both would do and with both candidates, 10 years from now our deficit would be higher.

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3 for 3 Obama wins the debates. McCain can only attack and make distorted accusations...I did not see Obama have any need to resort to this bc he has plans and is focused on the issues. McCain throws out random statements about things he wants to do...after saying he will not spend money..hmmm that dosent make sense does he think these programs are free? Oh and also no concrete plans for many of the statements he threw out there in the debate.

It is really a joke at this point to see Obama sit there speaking brillantly and have McCain stumble on his words and attack in defense of his own lack of plan and focus....wow.

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Obama was a BRESH OF FRETH... oops I mean a breath of fresh air

BTW, McCain seems at some points to be losing his cool. I hear he has a very short fuse and he showed it during this debate.

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Posted by lizzie217

3 for 3 Obama wins the debates. McCain can only attack and make distorted accusations...I did not see Obama have any need to resort to this bc he has plans and is focused on the issues. McCain throws out random statements about things he wants to do...after saying he will not spend money..hmmm that dosent make sense does he think these programs are free? Oh and also no concrete plans for many of the statements he threw out there in the debate.

It is really a joke at this point to see Obama sit there speaking brillantly and have McCain stumble on his words and attack in defense of his own lack of plan and focus....wow.

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did you see the truth squad right after, its kinda like the site factcheck. They have independents who after the debates tell you if what the candidates were saying was true or not. As far as the deficit, they added up everything they said they both would do and with both candidates, 10 years from now our deficit would be higher.

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how would they know that without knowing what programs they would cut and which programs they would reform?

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WOW is anybody seeing the protests by hofstra and how heated it got and people got arrested.

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Posted by lizzie217

3 for 3 Obama wins the debates. McCain can only attack and make distorted accusations...I did not see Obama have any need to resort to this bc he has plans and is focused on the issues. McCain throws out random statements about things he wants to do...after saying he will not spend money..hmmm that dosent make sense does he think these programs are free? Oh and also no concrete plans for many of the statements he threw out there in the debate.

It is really a joke at this point to see Obama sit there speaking brillantly and have McCain stumble on his words and attack in defense of his own lack of plan and focus....wow.

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did you see the truth squad right after, its kinda like the site factcheck. They have independents who after the debates tell you if what the candidates were saying was true or not. As far as the deficit, they added up everything they said they both would do and with both candidates, 10 years from now our deficit would be higher.

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how would they know that without knowing what programs they would cut and which programs they would reform?

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they added up the things that they are saying they will plan to do such as healthcare, education, energy, off shore drilling. WHICH BTW they said that BOTH candidates used to be against off shore drilling and only changed their minds this past summer.

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they added up the things that they are saying they will plan to do such as healthcare, education, energy, off shore drilling. WHICH BTW they said that BOTH candidates used to be against off shore drilling and only changed their minds this past summer.

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The thing with off shore drilling is that it's only like 2% of what we use as a country....I mean regardless of if your for or against it cant be our only thing...

the economy is so bad right now I dont understand how anyone can expect NO TAXES to be raised...I mean if you make more you have to pay more to help get us out of this and remain the powerful nation we are,,,,if we dont we are in trouble...at least Obama has plans to try to do this...McCain has no such plans only to NOT raise taxes for anyone I mean it's crazy people are really hurting..Obama's offering cuts to those hurting and raising the taxes of people who can afford it ....it seems logical to me.

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I am proud to say that i am voting McCain...I am not going to get into it like I have in the past because this is not political forum..but...for those who base their voting on the debates..I urge you not to do so.... Know the issues and what each politician wants to do..know what will happen to YOU and your family after the fact. i wont preach...at least I try no too...I apologize again when i have in the past...i just feel that with McCain...my future will be better..because of how much money I make...and Fh...and the company that I work for....because of the life that I have....this is how I think...the American dream started when my dad came to the US at age 11 and taught me right from wrong...taught met to WORK for my money...my healthcare...my possessions....I plan to pass those same values and beliefs to my children one day. Under Obama...many of those things would change...and to me...that is NOT acceptable. JMO....
BTW...not voting is not the answer. No one will ever agree with EVERYTHING any politician has to say...but not voting..especially women...when our ancestors fought so hard for our right to...well thats just awful in my opinion...

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I am soo with you. I benefit very little from tax breaks, stimulus checks etc. I work very hard for my money, what I have etc. And I am sick to my stomach when I see people collecting welfare checks, food stamps etc...while they drive around in brand new cars and dressed in designer clothes. This isnt my only reason to vote republican, but just one. I'm also a strong supporter of McCain's views on the war, healthcare etc.

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they added up the things that they are saying they will plan to do such as healthcare, education, energy, off shore drilling. WHICH BTW they said that BOTH candidates used to be against off shore drilling and only changed their minds this past summer.

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The thing with off shore drilling is that it's only like 2% of what we use as a country....I mean regardless of if your for or against it cant be our only thing...

the economy is so bad right now I dont understand how anyone can expect NO TAXES to be raised...I mean if you make more you have to pay more to help get us out of this and remain the powerful nation we are,,,,if we dont we are in trouble...at least Obama has plans to try to do this...McCain has no such plans only to NOT raise taxes for anyone I mean it's crazy people are really hurting..Obama's offering cuts to those hurting and raising the taxes of people who can afford it ....it seems logical to me.

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its true, and to hear taxes are being cut all the time but meanwhile all these things are getting funded annoys me. Our economy is horrible, we just gave 700 billion to bail out these companies. I dont see how our taxes will get cut.

both of their tax plans have been heavily criticized and both are bs'ing when it comes to certain things. There are flaws with both plans

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Posted by JJC

I am proud to say that i am voting McCain...I am not going to get into it like I have in the past because this is not political forum..but...for those who base their voting on the debates..I urge you not to do so.... Know the issues and what each politician wants to do..know what will happen to YOU and your family after the fact. i wont preach...at least I try no too...I apologize again when i have in the past...i just feel that with McCain...my future will be better..because of how much money I make...and Fh...and the company that I work for....because of the life that I have....this is how I think...the American dream started when my dad came to the US at age 11 and taught me right from wrong...taught met to WORK for my money...my healthcare...my possessions....I plan to pass those same values and beliefs to my children one day. Under Obama...many of those things would change...and to me...that is NOT acceptable. JMO....
BTW...not voting is not the answer. No one will ever agree with EVERYTHING any politician has to say...but not voting..especially women...when our ancestors fought so hard for our right to...well thats just awful in my opinion...

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I am soo with you. I benefit very little from tax breaks, stimulus checks etc. I work very hard for my money, what I have etc. And I am sick to my stomach when I see people collecting welfare checks, food stamps etc...while they drive around in brand new cars and dressed in designer clothes. This isnt my only reason to vote republican, but just one. I'm also a strong supporter of McCain's views on the war, healthcare etc.

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These welfare cases you speak of, are they things you see on TV? I know there are people taking advantage like this but as someone who grew up in a 'ghetto' area where majority of people were on welfare, they were struggling and they were not abusing the system. they were trying to feed their kids. Dont judge the whole system by a few bad cases. Where there are no regulations, people will abuse....its just a fact

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I am soo with you. I benefit very little from tax breaks, stimulus checks etc. I work very hard for my money, what I have etc. And I am sick to my stomach when I see people collecting welfare checks, food stamps etc...while they drive around in brand new cars and dressed in designer clothes. This isnt my only reason to vote republican, but just one. I'm also a strong supporter of McCain's views on the war, healthcare etc.

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I understand what you are saying ...believe me I work for my money as well but I have to say as a guidance counselor who worked in Far Rockaway for 3 years people who are on welfare are not driving aound in fancy cars and wearing designer clothes (maybe a couple drug dealers lol) but seriously this is not the majority. These are people who are living in really undesirable, dangerous and sad circumstances. As someone who worked in the high school many of these kids are trying to succeed and get a degree and move out of the projects. I think to perpetuate this stereotype of all the people getting food stamps while spending money on clothes is really wrong.

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something interesting came up in the debates and had me thinking. How do you all feel about the federal government taking over the school system? not sure yet how i feel but it is an interesting topic. Part of me says, hey so far the system is not working that great so maybe they can do a better job. Then the other side of me worries about what they might do. Haven't thought about this before so haven't thought about all the pro's and con's.

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something interesting came up in the debates and had me thinking. How do you all feel about the federal government taking over the school system? not sure yet how i feel but it is an interesting topic. Part of me says, hey so far the system is not working that great so maybe they can do a better job. Then the other side of me worries about what they might do. Haven't thought about this before so haven't thought about all the pro's and con's.

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well I work for the NYC Dept of Ed...I have worked in the worst school in NYC (it was rated that way last year and is closing) and now I am in the best school distric in NYC

What I can say is that both school have equal funding (actually TItle 1 schools which are the poorest get much more extra funding) it comes down to parent involvment. The problem with No Child Left Behind and Bloomeberg and Klein's plan is that they are basically segreting schools based on parental involvement what I mean is that those parents who live in an undesirable neighborhood are given the oppurtunity to send their kids to schools in better areas. What happens is the best parents and kids are involved and attending schools in good neighborhoods and the unesirable schools get the kids whose parents have left them behind and the school fails...it is more complicated but I wanted to just kind of give an idea of what my experience has been working in these two very different areas.

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I am soo with you. I benefit very little from tax breaks, stimulus checks etc. I work very hard for my money, what I have etc. And I am sick to my stomach when I see people collecting welfare checks, food stamps etc...while they drive around in brand new cars and dressed in designer clothes. This isnt my only reason to vote republican, but just one. I'm also a strong supporter of McCain's views on the war, healthcare etc.

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I understand what you are saying ...believe me I work for my money as well but I have to say as a guidance counselor who worked in Far Rockaway for 3 years people who are on welfare are not driving aound in fancy cars and wearing designer clothes (maybe a couple drug dealers lol) but seriously this is not the majority. These are people who are living in really undesirable, dangerous and sad circumstances. As someone who worked in the high school many of these kids are trying to succeed and get a degree and move out of the projects. I think to perpetuate this stereotype of all the people getting food stamps while spending money on clothes is really wrong.

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Exactly. This is such a touchy subject and each time someone posts about these 'losers' on welfare, I get infuriated. And I know no one called them losers but you might as well. I know mothers who get food stamps and WORK. My sister was getting food stamps for her daughter because her daughters father is a deadbeat. He was giving her 80 dollars every other week and that was supposed to pay for her daughters clothes and food? And trust me my sister has no designer clothes. She couldnt have predicted that things wouldnt work out with her daughters father not that he would be a deadbeat. This is the case for a lot of people on welfare.

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Posted by Espo22

something interesting came up in the debates and had me thinking. How do you all feel about the federal government taking over the school system? not sure yet how i feel but it is an interesting topic. Part of me says, hey so far the system is not working that great so maybe they can do a better job. Then the other side of me worries about what they might do. Haven't thought about this before so haven't thought about all the pro's and con's.

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well I work for the NYC Dept of Ed...I have worked in the worst school in NYC (it was rated that way last year and is closing) and now I am in the best school distric in NYC

What I can say is that both school have equal funding (actually TItle 1 schools which are the poorest get much more extra funding) it comes down to parent involvment. The problem with No Child Left Behind and Bloomeberg and Klein's plan is that they are basically segreting schools based on parental involvement what I mean is that those parents who live in an undesirable neighborhood are given the oppurtunity to send their kids to schools in better areas. What happens is the best parents and kids are involved and attending schools in good neighborhoods and the unesirable schools get the kids whose parents have left them behind and the school fails...it is more complicated but I wanted to just kind of give an idea of what my experience has been working in these two very different areas.

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thank you, good to hear it from someone who has experience and works in the system.

Its sad then bc it shouldn't be based on parent participation ONLY because in bad neighborhoods you'll find many parents who want to participate more but can't bc of work, or a single mother who is busing her A** to put food on the table and doesn't have a flexible schedule. Or a parent working more than 1 job. If you go to rich neighborhoods you have alot of SAHM who have that luxury.

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I am soo with you. I benefit very little from tax breaks, stimulus checks etc. I work very hard for my money, what I have etc. And I am sick to my stomach when I see people collecting welfare checks, food stamps etc...while they drive around in brand new cars and dressed in designer clothes. This isnt my only reason to vote republican, but just one. I'm also a strong supporter of McCain's views on the war, healthcare etc.

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I understand what you are saying ...believe me I work for my money as well but I have to say as a guidance counselor who worked in Far Rockaway for 3 years people who are on welfare are not driving aound in fancy cars and wearing designer clothes (maybe a couple drug dealers lol) but seriously this is not the majority. These are people who are living in really undesirable, dangerous and sad circumstances. As someone who worked in the high school many of these kids are trying to succeed and get a degree and move out of the projects. I think to perpetuate this stereotype of all the people getting food stamps while spending money on clothes is really wrong.

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Exactly. This is such a touchy subject and each time someone posts about these 'losers' on welfare, I get infuriated. And I know no one called them losers but you might as well. I know mothers who get food stamps and WORK. My sister was getting food stamps for her daughter because her daughters father is a deadbeat. He was giving her 80 dollars every other week and that was supposed to pay for her daughters clothes and food? And trust me my sister has no designer clothes. She couldnt have predicted that things wouldnt work out with her daughters father not that he would be a deadbeat. This is the case for a lot of people on welfare.

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LEA-it is true, many on welfare do really need the help and do NOT abuse the system. I also brought up before how yes i am for welfare and alot of ppl do need it but some do abuse the system and about driving expensive cars. I am sure the percentage of those who abuse the system is alot less than those who do not. Didnt mean to put down those who didnt.

ANybody can end up in a predictament that they never expected and one they wish themselves they weren't in. I do not believe in government turning their backs and not doing something to help. Just hope that they do not let those few who abuse the system get away with it. And its sad for those who do need it, maybe if less people abused the system, there would be more for those who can really use it. This is why it really bothers me when someone does that. DOn't take food out of someones mouth who truly needs it.

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thank you, good to hear it from someone who has experience and works in the system.

Its sad then bc it shouldn't be based on parent participation ONLY because in bad neighborhoods you'll find many parents who want to participate more but can't bc of work, or a single mother who is busing her A** to put food on the table and doesn't have a flexible schedule. Or a parent working more than 1 job. If you go to rich neighborhoods you have alot of SAHM who have that luxury.

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It's true the good thing is that if you can get your kid to a desirable neighborhood...but I have kids that travel 2 hrs by bus at the age of 11 just to come to school. It's so sad...they miss first period and fall behind a lot of times. In a way I think if all these kids who are great students stayed in what is considered a 'bad' school the school wouldnt be bad ya know? they'd have these kids to motivate the other kids to do better.

Its crazy all these 'small academies' they are opening are really programs for good smart kids to be kept away from problem kids..,,problem kids all in one place no good influence bigger problem.
Its hard bc I obviously see why parents want there kids in a 'good' school but at the same time if Bloomberg and Klein invested in making 'bad ' schools better by offering good programs within them all the kids would be better off....ughhh this topic is so frustrating

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I am soo with you. I benefit very little from tax breaks, stimulus checks etc. I work very hard for my money, what I have etc. And I am sick to my stomach when I see people collecting welfare checks, food stamps etc...while they drive around in brand new cars and dressed in designer clothes. This isnt my only reason to vote republican, but just one. I'm also a strong supporter of McCain's views on the war, healthcare etc.

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I understand what you are saying ...believe me I work for my money as well but I have to say as a guidance counselor who worked in Far Rockaway for 3 years people who are on welfare are not driving aound in fancy cars and wearing designer clothes (maybe a couple drug dealers lol) but seriously this is not the majority. These are people who are living in really undesirable, dangerous and sad circumstances. As someone who worked in the high school many of these kids are trying to succeed and get a degree and move out of the projects. I think to perpetuate this stereotype of all the people getting food stamps while spending money on clothes is really wrong.

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Exactly. This is such a touchy subject and each time someone posts about these 'losers' on welfare, I get infuriated. And I know no one called them losers but you might as well. I know mothers who get food stamps and WORK. My sister was getting food stamps for her daughter because her daughters father is a deadbeat. He was giving her 80 dollars every other week and that was supposed to pay for her daughters clothes and food? And trust me my sister has no designer clothes. She couldnt have predicted that things wouldnt work out with her daughters father not that he would be a deadbeat. This is the case for a lot of people on welfare.

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LEA-it is true, many on welfare do really need the help and do NOT abuse the system. I also brought up before how yes i am for welfare and alot of ppl do need it but some do abuse the system and about driving expensive cars. I am sure the percentage of those who abuse the system is alot less than those who do not. Didnt mean to put down those who didnt.

ANybody can end up in a predictament that they never expected and one they wish themselves they weren't in. I do not believe in government turning their backs and not doing something to help. Just hope that they do not let those few who abuse the system get away with it. And its sad for those who do need it, maybe if less people abused the system, there would be more for those who can really use it. This is why it really bothers me when someone does that. DOn't take food out of someones mouth who truly needs it.

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Yeah its unfortunate. People have a mentality that they can take advantage of the government and it wont affect anyone but it does. I will also say, in some cases, I think welfare can make people lazy and less-motivated to find a job. In that case they need to put limitations and regulations so people cant get comfortable. They know the help will run out and they need to get off their asses.